zx12richard
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posted December 02, 2005 02:44 PM
Ping Doug Meyer...
Any of this right??????? Found info elsewhere... I didn't try any of it...
Today i re-wired the small plug on the stock cdi under the glove box.
I was told the computer has retarded timing maps for the first 3 gears so the corresponding wires are soldered onto the 4th gear wire which has a normal timing map. This makes the bike mono easier in first and seems to have crisper response in first 3 gears.
The computer restricts the rev limit in top gear to just below 11 G, which is just under 300k with standard gearing.
To remove the speed limit the top gear wire is soldered onto 5th gear wire, letting the engine rev to normal limit in top gear.This may be helpful if you have reduced the standard gearing substantially.
Here are the instructions
Disable Speed Restriction
1 Pull out the CDI from it's rubber holder
2 Pull off plug marked 1425, the smaller plug.
3 on one side of the plug you will find a green/white wire and green/black wire.Free those wires to make room to work with them.Now cut the green/black wire about an inch from the plug.Isolate the wire coming from the plug.Un-isolate the green/white wire without cutting it. Solder the green/black wire to the green/white and isolate it.
Disable Torque Restriction
1 The green/red , green/blue , and green/yellow wires are to be cut an inch from the plug. (i staggered the 3 wire cuts to solder them along the exposed part of green wire)
2 Un-isolate the green wire about half an inch.You can use a lighter to warm the cable and pull the plastic back.
3 Solder the cables to the green cable.
4 Isolate and you're ready.
I found the wires located next to each other in rows on the plug.
Swede said he found this info on a german website and they had tested the mod on the autobahn.
  
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zx12richard
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posted December 04, 2005 11:06 AM
ANYONE????
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gunner
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posted December 04, 2005 11:50 AM
Hell don't feel bad Richard neither Doug or Rob ever answered my Ping about the step in the throttle bodies on the 12R. And I guess he never will. Maybe there's a certain amount of money you have to spend up there before your questions get answered, but from some of the things I've seen posted NOT even that assures you an answer 
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posted December 04, 2005 03:57 PM
I beleive Doug replied to this along time ago. I can not confirm or reject this info, however it does not sound right to me. Be careful.
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posted December 04, 2005 04:18 PM
Doug and Rob probably have more things going on than watching this board all the time. Both are certainly busy for sure. I think any answers we get from them are just gratis. They really dont OWE us anything....
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posted December 04, 2005 04:32 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 4 Dec 2005 16:36
Absolutely!
Always glad when either is able to contribute!
As for this advice, I would not believe such a thing from anyone who did not have the dynographs or other data to back up the claimed effect.
If it is the case that the 12 has retarded timing in the first three gears, this is a thing never so far as I know reported by a reputable source let alone confirmed in any way. I am not saying it cannot be so, but I am saying it would be a remarkable thing if 5 years have gone by and this has somehow been true all along yet "known" only to a handful of unknowns that don't back up their claim.
The only official test of any device claiming to gain benefits by tricking the 12's ECU as to what gear it is in, the magazine found to be of no benefit.
My guess is what's going on is that there are always going to be idiots that will assume that because one machine does a thing a given way (in this case, there being some Suzukis that in fact retard the timing this way) therefore given others do too. Well, not necessarily so.
Simple enough: if this were true, then the dynograph should appear improved when run in, for example, third gear post-mod versus pre-mod.
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gunner
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posted December 04, 2005 04:37 PM
Granted guys like Rob owe us nothing per say, BUT keep in mind Sir that without guys like us they would be out of business. Do You own your own business? I do and I treat every customer or perspective one like they are my only customer and it's the first sell.
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posted December 04, 2005 06:49 PM
Rich,
Just a thought. If the information provided is true there may be legal/liability issues if Doug or Rob were to confim these facts. If someone is willing to take the chance it should be easy enough to prove by making the changes and testing them on the dyno? Just my .02
Thanks,
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zx12richard
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posted December 04, 2005 07:09 PM
Never thought of that Red, Just was wondering bout it and what everyone thought... Thanxxx for the replys guys and I am sure the folks at Muzzy are busy....
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posted December 04, 2005 07:14 PM
Mr Muzzy did reply and stated it didn't sound right to him. Personally to me it seems like looking for a conspiracy theory under every tree to take that to mean that that is some careful wording that really means that he knows it works but won't say so.
It's a lot easier to read it for what it says -- cannot (for whatever reason including lack of certainty) say positively that it's right or wrong but can say it does not sound right. Simple enough. But I guess a conspiracy can be made out of it if one wants -- but I wouldn't.
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posted December 04, 2005 08:47 PM
Edited By: gunner on 4 Dec 2005 20:49
Trenace I was referring to a question that I posted in the Drag section months back about the throttle bodies I purchased from you. While I was lookin at them one day I noticed a step in the bores. It seems strange that it's there and I don't know what purpose it would serve. I posted a question and a few guys replied but as I mentioned neither one of the above mentioned guys ever did. Not that it really makes a rats ass to me one way or the other. I was just curious about why it's there. As a rule of thumb things that don't need to be in a throttle bore reduce power. I just didn't see it's need. I figured Mr. Muzzy was busy racing all summer and Mr. Meyer was up up and away. No biggie really.
With the 14 released now the poor little 12 is old news as far as R&D goes it's over I would think. Maybe a few parts here and there, but not much time will be spent on it anymore. If in fact secrets are out there it would be the time to let them out
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zx12richard
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posted December 04, 2005 08:59 PM
I got a secret, NOS....
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gunner
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posted December 04, 2005 09:01 PM
NO you don't Richard everyone knows about your shit 
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zx12richard
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posted December 04, 2005 10:01 PM
dammit....LOL
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posted December 05, 2005 04:02 AM
Sound like a Suzuki guy. Dosen't aply to ZX12 at least not in the top speed restriction and if You do a little search You can find dynographs on different gears and on ZX there isin't a difference. Of course there probably is some differencies in the maps between different gears - why else there would be a sensor for that? But probably the differencies make the bike better not worse.
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