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posted September 08, 2005 10:01 AM
We are not lower than the UK. Friends there tell me it costs .80 Pound per Liter. 4 liters cost 3.20 Pounds x 1.6 =$5.12 per Imperial Gallon which is 1.4 US Gallons. Divide$5.12 x 1.4 =$3.65 per gallon the exact same price we are paying on the east coast and more on the West Coast and southern states.
I hope that the Lord will take Mercy on the People that Blame to Poor people for the problems they face because one day, the tables could turn.
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trenace
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posted September 08, 2005 10:26 AM
 Edited By: trenace on 8 Sep 2005 11:27
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Ted, you seem to have a huge beef with religious people, or at least religious Christians (Perhaps religious Hindus or whatever don't bother you.)
Exactly what has Bush done with regard to religion that has in any way impaired your life?
Other than not taxing me so as to take my dollars and give them to someone for Federal funding of stem cell research.
What is it that you've been harmed by this horrible "religious right" that you keep chanting as if it were a demon? Anything specific, or again no answer?
For starters "Intelligent Design" in schools. Oh..please. Faith based initiatives, supreme court judges basing their decisions on their religious beliefs, etc.
Can you be specific? What did Bush do to put "Intelligent Design" in schools? The words and acts of the President of the United States are well-reported so you should have them... except he hasn't done any such thing. Individual people and groups have around the country, but Bush has not ordered that.
So, you've been harmed by churches of any sort being funded to help out the poor in various ways, instead of government bureaucrats, and generally doing a better job of it? Oh you poor man! Bush has really hurt you there! No wonder you have so much anger.
Supreme Court judges basing their decisions on their religious beliefs?
There have been exactly zero Supreme Court decisions by any justice Bush put on the court.
So there goes another "Ted argument" out the window.
Man, you have a lot of anger for no cause. Not one thing you could actually name that "the religious right" has done to hurt you, through Bush, yet you keep chanting it as if it were a demon.
Anyway, you had no actual answer for what was asked, what has Bush done with regard to religion that has in any way impaired your life. Only fantasies, stuff that either has not harmed you (churches being aided in helping the poor) or does not even exist.
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posted September 08, 2005 10:30 AM
every person that fails to plan ahead for any situation is at risk for becoming poor.
disability, life,and medical insurance are minimum. i know many employers offer medical, but if not the person NEEDS to make sure they cover themselves and theirl oved ones this way.
additionally people need to have an emergency fund, 3-6 months of EXPENSES bankrolled. this can take time to do, especially if the income level is low. but it NEEDS to be done.
and of course, spending more than you make is never good policy 
the poor did not cause this situation. At the same time this situation will not CAUSE people to become poor unless they failed to plan ahead. those who were already poor will in all likelyhood still be poor a year from now.
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posted September 08, 2005 11:03 AM
another excellent read from Thomas Sowell concerning the gas price "crisis"
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20050823.shtml
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TedG
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posted September 08, 2005 12:11 PM
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No he didn't order it, but the Bush minions will jump all over that idea. Close your eyes to history and let the religious zealots take over. It just goes against what the founding fathers had in mind. Also what the church does within itself is none of my business, just keep me out of it unless I ask. That is up to the point where their so called pillars of the community are bending over little boys.
Bush's poor choices now will have an effect for years to come. Don't just think of the short term. Whether I like it or not, he is in the oval office(when he is not on vacation  ) and he needs to keep his religious beliefs to himself if for no other reason than everyone that he effects does not have the same set of beliefs. He is not the pope, he is supposed to be the president, so he should try to act like one.
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posted September 08, 2005 12:19 PM
but being president does NOT mean that a person has to abandon their moral and personal beliefs.
unfortunately that is exactly what so many people want. Where exactly again does it say in the constitution that the president or congress or courts cannot say "God"?
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TedG
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posted September 08, 2005 12:25 PM
Edited By: TedG on 8 Sep 2005 13:29
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but being president does NOT mean that a person has to abandon their moral and personal beliefs.
unfortunately that is exactly what so many people want. Where exactly again does it say in the constitution that the president or congress or courts cannot say "God"?
Absolutely correct!!! But he needs to keep them to himself as long as he repesents the entire nation. But to mention any religious view, tramples on many who don't believe the same way. Religion and politics is a very bad mix. Don't believe me.. look at Iran, Afganistan, etc.
You don't need religion to know right from wrong, you need morality. As you don't need religion to have good morals.
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trenace
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posted September 08, 2005 12:52 PM
Edited By: trenace on 8 Sep 2005 13:53
Oh my goodness, now Ted is a censor. "To mention any religious view, tramples on many who don't believe the same way."
Fantastic.
Who is the extremist forcing on others his concepts of what is allowed to be said or done, Ted or Bush?
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posted September 08, 2005 12:56 PM
but where exactly does it say that the president or congress or judges cannot say "God"
you never answered that one.
but i'll answer for you: No where.
you cannot name one instance where the president has done ANYTHING to establish a theocracy of the kind you are implying will happen if the word "God" is spoken by an elected official.
Even Clinton spoke of and about God. yet he was never accused of being part of the evil hated "religious right"
this whole eradication of religion from all public discourse is silly. sorry, but just mentioning God has not made the USA into a theocracy yet, and it won't ever do so in the future.
but were someone to attempt such a move i'd be right there to stop it in its tracks. phone calls, marches, protests, whatever it took. that's NOT what the usa is about, and that's NOT what Christianity is about.
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trenace
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posted September 08, 2005 01:08 PM
Edited By: trenace on 8 Sep 2005 14:21
It's an interesting hypocrisy.
How about turning it around: Suppose I say that for him to mention his atheistic ideas tramples on me and therefore should be illegal or at least constitutes a wrong.
Why would that argument be any less valid than his, that mentioning God supposedly tramples on those that believe differently?
Anyway, Ted has persuaded me. What a bad man Bush is. He has actually mentioned God (as have all 42 predecessors and most Americans): therefore he is the devil and should be hated. Outstanding!
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TedG
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posted September 08, 2005 01:50 PM
Twist it anyway you want. Nobody said anything about preaching atheistic points of view. That isn't right either. Government is government. you know protect the people, build roads, follow the Constitution. Who said you can't say God? This is turning into personal attacks and at that point you will lose my input, but you didn't want is anyway.
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posted September 08, 2005 01:59 PM
I think aliens are behind it !
You know there is a alien conspiracy going on as we speak and they can control the weather!
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trenace
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posted September 08, 2005 02:34 PM
Edited By: trenace on 8 Sep 2005 17:07
My goodness, "Personal attack?" That is ridiculous Ted. That was not a personal attack.
Compare the "Code 5150" humor with your post:
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Liberal mind? I guess one could say that if one is so far out to the right that Jerry Farwell has to look to his right find you. So relatively I am to the left. I consider myself a bit right of center. I don't like giveaways, I don't like unions, and I am no tree hugger. You want to be a Bush minion and not question anything that genius does....fine. Me I would rather think for myself and question everything the government does.
There you imply that I am "to the right of Jerry Falwell" (which you obviously consider an abhorrent thing, and it is in incorrect description of me as well as I am a libertarian, certainly you did not mean it as a compliment) and suggest I want to "be a Bush minion" and someone who does not question anything, which is also certainly not complimentary in nature.
I don't call that a personal attack, it was fine enough if that's what you want to say, but it's certainly being less pleasant than the "Code 5150" joke about the crazy logic you were following there and is certainly you going after the messenger rather than the message, more so than in my post above. Now you complain of "personal attack" off of the "Calling all cars?" My goodness.
As for your stating, "Who said you can't say God?" the answer is:
Ted G wrote:
But to mention any religious view, tramples on many who don't believe the same way.
This is getting ridiculous. I will leave it with you here. The silliness of the constant evasions, ignoring obvious and/or explicitly pointed-out flaws, problems, holes, and contradictions in argument, and acting as if what was said was not said, and now on top of that complaining of "personal attack" from the "calling all cars" bit, particularly after your own comments painting your little picture of me which I did not criticize you for doing even though it was way off, is getting absolutely pointless. Either everyone has seen for themselves what is going on here, or has not, and further posts won't change that.
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