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posted September 06, 2005 11:56 AM
 Edited By: Otis on 6 Sep 2005 12:58
Vincent, I didn't write the above, just so you're sure. 2nd you need to get your facts straight about the relief effort and who was responsible. Why is it that the Dem Mayor and Gov left some 2000 busses standing and not being used to help evacuate? Where are the busses now you ask? Under water. Look VIncent, there is a lot of blame to go around, but the blame starts with the state Gov't, if you didn't know that FEMA is a secondary response, now you do, if you didn't know that the mayor of NO and th Gov of Louisiana was responsible to get people out before hand, now you do. I'm not hear to argue race with you VIncent, you and I have been around that block together before and it's not fun cause I like you and I don't like us beating each other up. The piece I cut and pasted above is about the welfare state, black or white deosn't matter, it's the wlefare state that is causing all sorts of problems. People that have no productivity or self responsibility. Now that being said, these people who are out of their homes and out of their jobs need help and that's what Americans do best is help, but to look to the Gov't for every freaking thing in your life just doesn't go along with MY philosophy of living. The embarrassment of having to live off of anyone but myself would put me in the grave anyway.
Oh, and by the way, don't ever attach the term religious right to me again. You demean yourself to throw stereotypes.
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posted September 06, 2005 12:37 PM
I will keep my post short. I will not address the looters because some people are assholes and some are truly in need.
As for our government, well the moment, let me repeat, THE MOMENT, the hurricane passed through and they saw the damage the government, both state and federal should have blackened the skies with planes full of the National Guard, food, medical supplies, and evac equipment. Not a week later...now. That is what we pay taxes for. People need help, black, white or purple. And it is a government of the people, by the people, and FOR the people. Not enough national guard? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
It is the governments job to help people in the time of an emergency..period. It is also their job to to prevent oil companies from profiting ludicrously. Oh I forgot the Ayatollah is an oil man.
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posted September 06, 2005 01:01 PM
Well, a few hundred are comming to our town where we are and going to put them in housing and give them money to get started. Most likley some of them were homeless to begin with.
Hopefully not.We have enough homeless already.
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posted September 06, 2005 01:14 PM
Oh, and by the way, don't ever attach the term religious right to me again.
I did not think you were but I was talking about them! There is the RIght and the Religious Right which is why I separated them and I was talking about Pat Robertson. Now if you associate with that then that is on you, but it was not directed at you. I get tired of well off people using the Blame the Victim to cover this. Something you do not know, but during the Million Man March here in Washington there were no police in the streets past the down town area. Some young people tried to take Randall's Tomos Moped. I had my 12 gauge pump and I am glad I did not have to use it, but I would have if I found one hand on Randall that was not what his mother gave him at birth! I understand the feelings about property! I give up some of my life to get it and you must give up some of yours to take it from me. The sign on my gate shows a Gun and says forget the Dogs, beware of the Owner! That is the #1 reason I shoot it on News Years so that when others hear Pop Pop around the Neighborhood they hear Boom Boom with the Sky lighting up with a Purple light. They know if they come to my house I have something for them. SO it is not all Black and white with me either.
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posted September 06, 2005 01:46 PM
Pat Robertson is a sick puppy. Jerry Farwell too.
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posted September 06, 2005 02:58 PM
Edited By: ZX12r04 on 6 Sep 2005 16:09
They messed up, the weather channel should of just posted ; slight chance of rain.
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posted September 06, 2005 05:31 PM
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They messed up, the weather channel should of just posted ; slight chance of rain.
Considering what happened, how would we know the Difference??
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posted September 06, 2005 06:50 PM
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Ted: the problems follow for your position:
Q1. what federal agency has immediate control of the national guard for use inside the state the guard unit is housed?
A. None. the governor of the state controls its own national guard troops, its own police forces, and its own militias.
Q2. what hurricane disaster area in the past, recent and distant, has had people shooting at relief helicopters, shooting at and stealing from SAR teams?
A. None. this is first time ever.
Q3. As soon as the hurricane passed, what kind of disaster existed?
A. A normal hurricane disaster area. There were some wind damaged buildings, some wet stuff, and a lot of rubbish in hte streets.
Q4. When asked by the president of the united states who was "on vacation" (anyone that believes that a presidential vacation is a real vacation needs their head examined, CLinton, Bush, whomever it is, does more on their vacation in a day than most people do in a week of their own vacations) if he could mobilize federal aid, the governor of louisiana asked for 24 hours to assess hte situation. At what point does the federal government have the authority to ignore the sovereignty of hte state and send in the federal troops?
A. Insurrection....does this exist, maybe. at that time? no.
Q5. WTF does oil have to do with the disaster relief onthe gulf coast?
A> nothing. red herring. thanks for playing!
Vincent: i too saw the different wording for the white & black looters. doesn't matter, both were stealing, regardless of the spin of words "found"?!?!?!??! unless they came out of their own house and found some dry food that didn't get ruined, *finding* is the wrong word.
sad that some people cannot keep race out of anything.
same sadness i felt when i saw the race pimp jesse jackson trying to edge his way in to the money making PR machine...bastard....political opportunists should be added to the looter list...
i'm not pat robertson, nor do i associate with people like him
unless being a Christian is associating with him?
i am also a libertarian, does that make me a member of the religious right? if the way you are saying it (and it sounds like a four-letter word the way you folks are using it) then i hope not.
As far as the class warfare goes, JUST BECAUSE someone is rich does not make them a crook or evil or stingy or greedy or whatever else.
likewise, just because people are poor doesn't make them hard-working saints with halos to make light since they can't afford alectricity for their overcrowded tenement homes run by evil rich people.
making this situation into a race game is demeaning to everyone involved. saying that the response was not fast because the victims were black is ignorant. for cryingout loud, the most hated one has appointed more minorities to HIGH posts in the government than anyone else ever. so at the least if it was a race issue you;d think his own administration would be kicking him in the nuts if he was holding back because it was minorites...
i'm not sure what to make of the vehement refusal of so many people to get out of new orleans even when it is clear that there is NOTHING to go back to for now, and no services in the city.
OH, i nearly forgot
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Then to the President "Yes Otis, your hero on vacation"! I saw where the Bush administration was persented with the Army Corp of ENgineers plan to raise the sinking Levees and strenghtened the weak one in 2002, 2003. and 2004. The cost was between $500 Million and $800 Million. The administration stated that he had a Tax Cut and War to pay for and sent $100 Million. Surprise Surprise the Levees failed.
the levees were designed for a category 3 hurricane, even with 200000 billion dollars thrown at it, it STILL would have failed.
and to play devil's advocate: since the levees are that important why did the local and state governments not act when the federal government didn't give them everything they wanted?
heck, if the federal government can run a 5% of GDP defecit, why can't the state?
cut out some of those high-dollar arts expenditures, and get some sand bags in place....
   
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posted September 06, 2005 07:08 PM
Edited By: trenace on 6 Sep 2005 20:16
Slug, it is very simple, to the liberal mindset government -- central national government, not local, accountable-to-the-local-voters government -- is the answer for everything, no one is ever at fault for their bad individual decisions, and certainly no Democrat politician is ever at fault, it must always be pinned on a Republican even if the situation was not in his hands but in the hands of Democrat politicians. So it is no wonder that that is precisely the thoughts being put out now: it must be the President's fault that local evacuation plans were not followed, that law and order was not maintained locally, that the entire city and area simply was not secure to a hurricane of this sort and apparently never had been, at least not for the last several decades at least or perhaps even the last century. So this is all you will hear. It's Bush that was raping the women in the Superdome, it was Bush shooting at the helicopters, it was Bush to blame for the shooters feeling "disenfranchised" (their "vote was stolen" back in 2000 you know), and it was Bush that caused the hurricane by not signing the Kyoto Treaty. You have to expect this, it's all totally within a pattern.
It was of course the responsibity of the city and state governments to direct the evacuation, maintain law and order, to be the first-responders, and direct how relief should be handled.
In this country we do not send in the US Army, Marines, Navy, or Air Force to our city streets as law enforcement. That is simply not done, not only for constitutional reasons but on account of the Posse Comitatus Act.
The governor had her own National Guard under her authority, and certainly could have sooner requested assistance from National Guard of other states.
But, there are those whose answer for everything is to blame Bush -- they are absolutely driven to do so and will use every opportunity for it.
One would hope that at a time like this though they could give it a rest and focus efforts productively, or at least not destructively. But that is too much to hope for in many instances, certainly with most of our media.
We've had bad hurricanes in Florida but we did not have the US Army taking over the streets, or the Federal Government over-riding us and forcing relief efforts or what-have-you to be done their way. Nor do we want that. Perhaps the extreme left does, but that is not what this country is about.
There was a failure locally in Louisiana both at the state and city level: those voters may need, once some time has passed, to think about what changes may need to be made but for right now, the best simply needs to be done and I think that's what most -- those not playing the blame-the-guy-they-hate-politically game -- are trying to do.
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posted September 06, 2005 07:37 PM
Edited By: Rhino on 6 Sep 2005 20:45
Just to let you guys know how the Federal Emergency Response works. The first 24 to 72 hours is local government resources. THE MAYOR, THE GOVERNOR, THE STATE RESOURCES are used first. It take 24 to 72 hours for teams to get all their equipment to where it is needed. This is why we are all 72 hour SELF EFFICIENT. We are all trained to know that the first 72 hours we may be totally on our own. The general public has a fake safety net thinking the government will be there any sooner.
MISTAKES there where MANY. The Mayor of NO, the Governor of LA, The director of FEMA Mike Brown, By the way probably the worst of them so far. And yes President Bush. All of them have no clue how to handle a disaster of this magnitude.
FEMA NEEDS TO SEPARATE FROM HLS!!!!!
The tasks force teams are held to a strict Incedent command System. They are not allowed to self deploy. Even if you know it will save lives this is not the way it works. Also all the SAR volunteer teams go in support or after the FEMA teams. This system and the delay of recourses caused lives. Let's see after all the reports are in how things will change. OH and things will change.
Here is a list of FEMA teams and where they are. (Some are partial but are still listed as active)
Units deployed to Louisiana include:
Texas Task Force 1
New Mexico Task Force 1
Arizona Task Force 1
Tennessee Task Force 1
Missouri Task Force 1
Florida Task Force 1
Colorado Task Force 1
Units deployed to Mississippi include:
Florida Task Force 2
Virginia Task Force 2
Pennsylvania Task Force 1
Indiana Task Force 1
Ohio Task Force 1
Nebraska Task Force 1
Virginia Task Force 1
Maryland Task Force 1
New York Task Force 1
Maine Task Force 1
Utah Task Force 1
Units deployed to Texas Staging Areas include:
Nevada Task Force 1 (Dallas)
California Task Force 1, 2, 5 and 6
Washington Task Force 1
California Task Force 3, 4, 7 and 8 (Houston)
That list was from early yesterday. Some TFs where sent home since then.
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posted September 06, 2005 07:50 PM
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Ted: the problems follow for your position:
Q1. what federal agency has immediate control of the national guard for use inside the state the guard unit is housed?
A. None. the governor of the state controls its own national guard troops, its own police forces, and its own militias.
Read what I said " both state and federal should...... "
Q2. what hurricane disaster area in the past, recent and distant, has had people shooting at relief helicopters, shooting at and stealing from SAR teams?
A. None. this is first time ever.
What does that have to do with getting there quickly? Just another reason to get there on time and keep things under control and not let the same thing happen that happened in Iraq. But no. Bush's cronies who are responsabe for emergency managment have no experience other than helping Bush out in the past are in charge of this stuff. Make them ambassadors not directors of something important. Didn't they demote FEMA from a cabinet level to Homeland security? Homeland security... what a joke, Althouth I miss Tom Ridge running around waving his arms and yelling "We're fucked, we're fucked, change the color code".
Q3. As soon as the hurricane passed, what kind of disaster existed?
A. A normal hurricane disaster area. There were some wind damaged buildings, some wet stuff, and a lot of rubbish in hte streets.
The place is below sea level, they cut the funding for the levees and the damn things were out, WTF did they think was going to happen? Ever hear of prepare for the worst.
Q4. When asked by the president of the united states who was "on vacation" (anyone that believes that a presidential vacation is a real vacation needs their head examined, CLinton, Bush, whomever it is, does more on their vacation in a day than most people do in a week of their own vacations) if he could mobilize federal aid, the governor of louisiana asked for 24 hours to assess hte situation. At what point does the federal government have the authority to ignore the sovereignty of hte state and send in the federal troops?
A. Insurrection....does this exist, maybe. at that time? no.
Bush takes a vacation and he plays golf, shoots helpless animals, and goes out in the back forty with his dogs and fools around. And when he is on vacation for months at a time which is plenty of time to squeeze in a real vacation.
They seem to have the authority to send the guard to Iraq, hmm I'll bet the governor (the one in Louisiana) would object to Bush sending in immediate relief.  And it took a hell of a lot longer than 24 hours to get help in there.
Q5. WTF does oil have to do with the disaster relief onthe gulf coast?
A> nothing. red herring. thanks for playing!
The reason that gas prices are so high is because of the hurricane. It effects each and every one of us. It is up to the government to make sure gouging doesn't happen. So does anyone think that prices jumping 60 cents a gallon happened after the oil was bought, refined and delivered. No the gas we are buying was processed at the old prices. They just bumped the prices overnight and it will take months to come back down. If the government doesn't protect the American people....who will? Turning a blind eye is criminal.
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posted September 06, 2005 09:18 PM
Ok, Ted, what is your solution to the gas?
There are only 2 gallons available for every 3 gallons that people are accustomed to buying per unit time.
What is your solution, since clearly you do not think the free-market economy is the best method mankind has yet devised for the efficient and equitable distribution of goods or at least obviously you do not think so in this instance?
It's easy to throw absurd insults around, like your insults of Bush, but it's a little harder having a solution... you're criticizing the present policy with gasoline (free market) and so what is your better solution? Or do you have only the insults and attacks? I didn't see one solution in there?
Talk about proving my point for me (my previous post.) I guess I should say thanks, but actually I wish I hadn't been right.
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posted September 06, 2005 09:21 PM
give me ALL the gasoline.
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posted September 06, 2005 09:38 PM
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Ok, Ted, what is your solution to the gas?
There are only 2 gallons available for every 3 gallons that people are accustomed to buying per unit time.
What is your solution, since clearly you do not think the free-market economy is the best method mankind has yet devised for the efficient and equitable distribution of goods or at least obviously you do not think so in this instance?
It's easy to throw absurd insults around, like your insults of Bush, but it's a little harder having a solution... you're criticizing the present policy with gasoline (free market) and so what is your better solution? Or do you have only the insults and attacks? I didn't see one solution in there?
Talk about proving my point for me (my previous post.) I guess I should say thanks, but actually I wish I hadn't been right.
So raping the American people is the answer? Just raise prices and that will fix it? Get real.
Our reserves. You do realize we are sitting on the largest oil reserve on the planet? More oil than the arabs ever dreamed of? My insults to Bush? What insults? Bush can release all that is necessary.
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posted September 06, 2005 10:21 PM
Edited By: trenace on 7 Sep 2005 00:31
OK, so that's your solution to the present situation. Absolutely nothing that will do anything to fix the problem now, only attacking the people that ARE bringing us the gas.
Though you're not acknowledging it, yes, indeed the free market will result in gasoline continuing to be available pretty much to whomever and whenever (excluding rare instances of difficulties in transport which the market will rapidly correct due to local price making it worthwhile to find the solution.) Unlike the alternate possibilties -- which you failed to mention any that would do anything now in the present situation which are:
1) With only 2 gallons available for every 3 that people are used to buying, fix prices to a modest level by order of leftist politicians. People will then want, at that price, to buy 3 units for every 2 that are available. So how do sellers decide who gets it? By who waits in line the longest. This was tried in the 70s. IT TRULY SUCKED. Having half of America waiting in line 10-20 hours per week -- half the time waiting all night only to find that station dry before, at 11 AM, they finally get close to the front -- may be one of the two Marxist-approved solutions but it sucks.
2) Have a government commisar deem who is entitled to get how many gallons. Put in your application to the government and see how many you deserve.
That's it. Those are the other methods. They both suck (though they may appeal to the left.) The better thing is having gasoline go to those who find doing the driving that consumes the gasoline to be worth the price, and not sold to those who don't find that particular driving being decided on to be worth it to them. That's efficient allocation, the most efficient method known -- to a leftist, it's anathema, it should be the government deciding who gets it: either that, or as is typical with the left today, no solutions at all, just railing and insulting or asserting that there is a better solution without ever specifying it (and no, talking about drilling for oil in the United States will not solve the current shortage of gasoline due to the hurricane crisis. And who blocks drilling for oil and the building of refineries in the first place? The right, the libertarians, or the left? The left.)
You refused to actually provide another method, but those are the other options. Which do you think is superior to the free market?
Actually I think your post is interesting, an interesting insight into the liberal mind. You don't even realize, at least your post would so indicate, that your previous post contained nothing but insults and attacks -- you even deny that there were any at all! I have every confidence you speak truthfully, so it's an interesting inability to see what one is writing or saying. You actually don't think that that was your content, you don't think you were insulting or attacking Bush. Interesting.
BTW, in your apparent anger over the oil companies, did it occur that if the price goes up 50% (which it hasn't yet) while gallons sold drops to 2/3, they get no more revenue?
Did it occur that they are doing you a service by getting gasoline to you, a remarkably sophisticated and expensive endeavour? Or that they will have a hell of a lot of costs rebuilding their damage of the wrecked or otherwise damaged refineries and rigs?
Or the fact that the convenience store that true, paid say only $1.89 per gallon for the last tanker before the hurricane and is now selling it for $2.89, post-hurricane has to pay far more for the next tanker and therefore if they sold it still for $1.89, it would not generate the revenue for the next tanker (and besides this, sound business practice is to sell things for the present market value, not based on their out-of-date value?)
And lastly, how about the consideration that when supplies come back online and prices drop again, as they will, and one store gets in a tanker at $2.00/gallon while their neighbor has a tanker they paid $2.30/gallon for, you will not be going to that second store and offering to pay them $2.30 plus markup, but instead will go to whichever store is cheapest, and therefore this seller -- just as on the way up, they profited by the rise in value between time of purchase and sale -- will have to sell lower, losing from the loss in value between time of purchase and sale?
Or are you just going to rail against the oil companies and retailers? Anyway, unless you've come up with one since your last post, you have no solution to the present problem of how to spread only 2/3 the gallons around as people have been consuming, besides the free market solution which you are opposing. No solution, only attacks.
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posted September 07, 2005 05:05 AM
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
Yes, the Levees were designed for a level 3 but their failure was the fact that they had sunken and were weak in places. Read the article where less than 1 Billion Dollars would have resulted in 90% of what happened in New Orleans being avoided. After All, Bush had to have his Tax cut during the time of the War he started. The National Guard were in Iraq. When The National Government declares a Dissaster, then Local Control is taken over and this was done on Wednesday
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posted September 07, 2005 05:26 AM
only 3000 of the 11000 louisiana national guard troops were in iraq.
that leaves...umm..8000 troops.
red herring.
it's all about bush, and NOTHING about solving problems.
the tax cuts that bush "had to have" are actually tax cuts that EVERY working american had to have. without those tax cuts our economy would NOT be growing now, and people that are employed today that weren't 3 years ago would STILL be jobless.
it's simple, never inhistory has a tax cut EVER resulted in an economic downturn. quite the opposite. EVERY TIME tax cuts go in to effect the net result is an INCREASE In government revenue.
please find me ONE tax cut ever that over the long term EVER resulted in a net loss of revenue for the government.
please explain to me how we grow the economy by INCREASING taxes.
please explain how you expect the levee to hold back a cat4 when it was designed to hold a cat3. yes it was weakened in places. But how can you say that even at full strength that it would have withstood the cat4 storm? there is no way to assert that with a straight face.
i don't care HOW much money you spend, if you spend 10000 dollars for a hydraulic hose designed for 1500PSI service, and put it in a 2000psi system, you have NO RIGHT to gripe about it failing. If you fail to replace a frayed 1500PSI hose and then apply 2000PSI to that hose, it is RETARDED to expect it to hold. It is also just as stupid to replace that 1500PSI frayed hose with a brand new 1500PSI hose and get mad when it fails when you put 2000PSI on it...
The levees need redesigned to handle cat5, and then need to be built.
the levees protect the city, so THEY should be the ones to DRIVE the design and rebuilding.
Nothing less would have fixed this situation, and blaming bush is NOT a solution or even a viable cause.
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posted September 07, 2005 05:33 AM
Ted: all your responses to my questions are emotional rhetoric. thanks for playing.
a president's vacation is anything but a vacation like you or i know one. when clinton was on vacation he was working just as hard. he just got to do it from home.
president is not a 9-5 job with weekends off, you are, much like hte military, on duty 24/7/365.
even on leave military is still responsible to do their job if the need arises.
a president is always on call, is always being consulted, and is always subject to being awakened at all hours of hte night for any need.
but the emotional rhetoric of 'bush was on vacation until 2 days after the hurricane struck' is exactly that: rhetoric and bashing.
as for the national guard, readup on it. the governor of the state is in immediate charge of the national guard. chain of command.
i assume you have no prior military experience, because it's obvious that you have never dealt with military or government in any real capacity based on your frequent comments.
define gouging.
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posted September 07, 2005 06:54 AM
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(doh) Make sure what page the item you are replying to is on!
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posted September 07, 2005 07:11 AM
Here's a good link from LAB about gas prices...
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html
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posted September 07, 2005 07:32 AM
trenace, what you fail to realize is the oil companies are making record profits, they have so much money that they are embarrassed. It just isn't necessary.
Liberal mind? I guess one could say that if one is so far out to the right that Jerry Farwell has to look to his right find you. So relatively I am to the left. I consider myself a bit right of center. I don't like giveaways, I don't like unions, and I am no tree hugger. You want to be a Bush minion and not question anything that genius does....fine. Me I would rather think for myself and question everything the government does.
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posted September 07, 2005 07:42 AM
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Otis you said one thing I totally forgot about."The let the Criminals out of Jail"! it was hard for me to understand why anyone would be shooting at some one sent to help them.
People like "Long Name" continue to say that anyone not working and living off the government is Lazy. I hate to tell you this, but there are going to be a lot of these people and you better not call them Lazy because they will be our Soliders from Iraq with legs and arms missing and they cannot work. Some with no outward sign but so mentally messed up you would not want them to work. The #1 thing I notice is only people well off seem to think that people not working are Lazy and WANTING to live in a Welfare state. Maybe we should go back to a time when all Black People were working and it was the rich whites that were not working. The Rich whites liked this system so much that they fought and died to keep it. Even when it was over, they devised ways to keep it called "Share Croping". They gave the poor Blacks a piece of land to work and deducted the payments from the work they did. They also owned the only store where they bought everything and as the song said, "I owe my SOul to the COmpany Store"!
I watched in amazement as the Head of FEMA kept saying that we warned them all to leave and this is what happened when they did not head the warning. Finally I saw Tim Russert and Ted Kopple ask, "If you knew they needed to leave and you know that there were 100,000 people living below the poverty level (No money or transportation) then why did you not bring Buses, Flat Bed Trucks, Trains and Boats and at least offer them a way out. 2nd question was where did you have the Shelters for them to go to?? 3rd Question was since everyone knew that the Super Dome was the Evacuation site, why were there no stacks of food and water?
No answer to any of these questions
Then to the President "Yes Otis, your hero on vacation"! I saw where the Bush administration was persented with the Army Corp of ENgineers plan to raise the sinking Levees and strenghtened the weak one in 2002, 2003. and 2004. The cost was between $500 Million and $800 Million. The administration stated that he had a Tax Cut and War to pay for and sent $100 Million. Surprise Surprise the Levees failed.
To the Jailed Public Officials and ones still out of Jail in New Orleans who were taking the Public Money for the Levees and spending them on Gambling Casinos and other things they had control Over. And last the Poor Black people that owned their Homes, Paid taxes for years and Years worked all of their life for low wages. Now to be called Lazy, Welfare takers and stupid for not wanting to leave their home they worked hard for and paid for when they had no place to go! They were really dumb not to leave with no way and no where to go and Shame on the even more stupid to believe in the Govenrment and go to the SUper Dome!. I guess the real stupid people were the Patients in the Hosptials that had the nerve to be sick and in a Hospital when a storm was coming and how about the DOctors & Nurses who actually had cars and some place to go and they did not know better than to stay and take care of the sick! They sure got what they deserved.
The #1 thing I cannot understand is the Religious Right? They believe in the bible but not all of it. The part about "You are your Brother's Keeper" I was Hungry and you feed me not! These type of things and then the leader of one group even saying that the leader of a SOuth AMerican country should be "Taken Out" (as in Killed) then trying to deny he said it when he realized that the Bible says that Thou Shall not Kill "PERIOD"! it does not exempt anyone! I am really fed up with the Haves telling the Have nots to pull themselves up by their Boot Straps then they have no boots or straps.
It took 40 years for the liberals to re-enslave the blacks. People need to be patient, for it is likely to take twice that long to free them. Bush talks about the soft racism of lowered expectations. You libs really need to concentrate on what that is and just how truly devastating it is to minority youth. You want to help? Here's a start: Instead of thinking up PC labels to segregate the groups of people you think are almost good enough to make it without your help, why not just get rid of the labels altogether? No labels, no qoutas, no stratified qualifications. In other words, no racism.
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bovinespongiformencephalo
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posted September 07, 2005 08:42 AM
One other item: Instead of whining like a third world communist about the oil companies making too much money, buy into the oil companies and share in the profit. That's the American thing to do.
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VincentHill
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posted September 07, 2005 09:03 AM
TedG, you have always been the independent thinker
The thing that get me is I am a real conservative. but now that makes me Liberal. I want to pay as I go. I do not want to run up the charge card and let some else pay. I liked the balanced Budgets Clinton had. I likes paying down the national debt. I would have spent 800 Million to fix the Levees and saved the 40 to 80 BILLION it will now cost for the 700 Million savings made in 2003. I want no one living off me that can work and can find a Job. I get personally angry when I see someone at the check out counter with 16 children and $400 in Groceries and hand the food stamps over. I want smart people that were held back in my day get a chance for their Children. I am very conservative but nowadays that makes me a Liberal! Who would have thought it!
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Made History @ Daytona and still one fast old man!!
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zxfingyz
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posted September 07, 2005 10:13 AM
Man, I just typed a long post about how the point is really this and the point is really that.
But you know what?
It was racist. Yahoo ran the caption under the white kids that said they found the items!
Found!
If I lived in NO I would not have left either. I would probably be dead but I wouldn't have left.
We are getting hosed at the pump. I heard that politician say the list of billions in profits made this year by the oil companies. We are getting hosed! You know why?
BECAUSE WE KEEP BUYING GASOLINE! The demand is still there like it was at $1.40.
No change at all! Stop driving.
Someone just build the web site. www.stopdrivingnow.com talk about how you can ride bikes, take the moped or the motorcycle or just walk to the store. Stop driving 2 blocks to the Dunkin Donuts in your Suburban. I know it is your right to drive whatever the heck you want, but right now real Americans are starting to WALK. Bust out Christopher Walken or McCually Caulkin taking a stroll down main st. on the news. Ok maybe not those guys, how about Eva Mendez but she is walking down my street in a bikini and she takes the top off like in Fast Times at Ridgemont High and she says " Hey, you, fat guy, stop edging your lawn and check this out...." and then I.....I uh....well...I am going to have to come back and finish typing this later.
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