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posted August 02, 2005 07:57 PM
plasti guage it a waste of time..... get yourself a caliper and bore gauage and measure like that..... make sure the cases are torque together..... this is the ONLY way to get the measurments right....
I WOULD NOT run the mains that loose.....in fact i still run the factory clearances in my turbo on the mains....if they are not reall tight....let it go and run the same bearings....BUT do increase the rods....
now...put it together.... i am gone.
I aint gonna post on this toopic anymore...UNLESS it get out of hand again...like say you guys are talking about assembling the engine in a vacumme chamber that is deionized and injected with argon...a inert gas....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted August 02, 2005 08:11 PM
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LOL!! How do you really feel Doug?? 
I couldn't agree more with this statement!!
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plasti guage it a waste of time..... get yourself a caliper and bore gauage and measure like that..... make sure the cases are torque together..... this is the ONLY way to get the measurments right....
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posted August 02, 2005 08:21 PM
The post in this topic ..................will make a church going man start cussing like a sailor!!!!!!!
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posted August 03, 2005 12:08 AM
Bahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Got Doug cussing!
Come on Doug, we know you are holding back.
Please tell us how to compensate for variations in barometric pressure when setting up bearing clearances.
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posted August 03, 2005 12:32 AM
I learned something  PACK The Oil Pump with Grease? I had planned to put a new Oil Pump in my bike and Of course I wondered about it being "DRY" and pulling the Oil up  Thanks Dr. Doug jr.
SO Karl, change #1 and you are Done. We all know that they other Doug has "Flown the Coup" and is a very infrequent visitor here now. Karl, the Barometric Pressure was Below the Belt!
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posted August 03, 2005 02:42 AM
VH:
I don't know what Doug means by "packing" the oil pump with grease???
But I do intend to spin the motor manually w/plugs out to get the oil pressure going before firing it up.
I wasn't aiming at you w/the baro reference; just a friendly jerk on Doug's chain
I can't change #1, blue is as thick as they get, eh?
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posted August 03, 2005 05:28 AM
Not me but to Doug Ray. I knew where you were headed. and yes I want to know what grease he usues
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posted August 03, 2005 05:31 AM
I put white lithium grease on the lobes before installing. This helps the "dry" pump suck quickly.
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posted August 03, 2005 06:18 AM
corret Pyscho....
he you all...
my paypal addy is ....naw just kidding
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posted August 03, 2005 06:20 AM
Edited By: spencercyclecom on 3 Aug 2005 07:23
as for the rest of the story...as Paul Harvey would say....
when i started in the industry...i was told by a older man that taught me..... he told me this
"son....if you come here dumb as hell.....you gonna leave here dumb as hell..."
LOL
I stayed there for 5 years......lets say i learned quick and fast.....LOL
VH...
the zx12r ha G Rotor oil pump gear design...very good unit....just like the dodge muscle cars had or have....but you have to pack the rotor lobes with grease so a suction is created...so the oil pump will prime itself.
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posted August 03, 2005 06:27 AM
when i started in the industry...i was told by a older man that taught me..... he told me this
"son....if you come here dumb as hell.....you gonna leave here dumb as hell..."
Entropy status update:
1. if you come here dumb as hell..... check
2. you gonna leave here dumb as hell.... i'm right on track
(thx for the tip on helping "dry pumps suck quickly..." )
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posted August 03, 2005 06:30 AM
Guys;
I have mentioned this before in other oil pressure related threads to try and help.
Glad to see it is catching on
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posted August 03, 2005 06:35 AM
Edited By: spencercyclecom on 3 Aug 2005 07:37
Karl........
that was said to me to let me know i was there to learn............
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posted August 03, 2005 06:44 AM
Thanks Doug...Thats why guys like me bring motors to guy like you...This is just a statement of Doug's willingness to share info.
By the way my 12 motor has never been opened up!!!...Thats for the non-believers!!!
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posted August 03, 2005 07:18 AM
Karl, My last VH on the subject is looking at everything and KNOWING that every Bearing is slightly different in size, I would exchange #5 inserts with #1 Inserts. I would also exchange # 3 with #4 and see if the tolorences even out at about .0021 and .0022. The Put the eingine together.
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posted August 03, 2005 08:13 AM
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plasti guage it a waste of time..... get yourself a caliper and bore gauage and measure like that..... make sure the cases are torque together..... this is the ONLY way to get the measurments right....
I WOULD NOT run the mains that loose.....in fact i still run the factory clearances in my turbo on the mains....if they are not reall tight....let it go and run the same bearings....BUT do increase the rods....
now...put it together.... i am gone.
I aint gonna post on this toopic anymore...UNLESS it get out of hand again...like say you guys are talking about assembling the engine in a vacumme chamber that is deionized and injected with argon...a inert gas....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Karl now where have you heard this before???
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posted August 03, 2005 08:41 AM
Edited By: entropy on 3 Aug 2005 09:42
Doug,
we are all learning with the help of folks in the Biz who share: like you , DMeyer, Noonan, Brock, DaveO, Cheeseman, et al. We also learn from each other, albeit at a slower pace.
I understand why others in the Biz don't share, but am just glad you guys do.
Folks like VH, Trenace, me, et al will assuredly keep asking dumb questions, so please keep yr patience.
Cheese: yep, I have heard that before
Psycho: yep, thanks for the info! :thumbsup:
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posted August 03, 2005 10:03 AM
like say you guys are talking about assembling the engine in a vacumme chamber that is deionized and injected with argon...a inert gas....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I have just wet my pants You know that is where "I" Would like to be If I was rich, you know I would have one
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posted August 03, 2005 10:23 AM
I agree with everyone that said replace the oil pump. It can get knicked up pretty easily. It is cheap insurance.
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posted August 03, 2005 11:59 AM
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I agree with everyone that said replace the oil pump. It can get knicked up pretty easily. It is cheap insurance.
and the F%$#%^$$^ing oil cooler, but not cheap
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posted August 03, 2005 12:24 PM
I have the stock oil cooler off my 12 if someone fucked theirs up
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posted August 03, 2005 01:36 PM
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I have the stock oil cooler off my 12 if someone fucked theirs up
The fins on mine are wrecked! How much? 
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posted August 03, 2005 01:37 PM
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I have the stock oil cooler off my 12 if someone fucked theirs up
The fins on mine are wrecked! How much?
The Fins??
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posted August 03, 2005 01:40 PM
Yea..umm..perhaps you have a different one than mine
Mine is circular...with outlets...oil filter screws onto the end of it etc.
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posted August 03, 2005 02:18 PM
once there is debis in one forget about getting it out
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