beansbaxter
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posted July 28, 2005 09:25 PM
The final journey of beansbaxter...
Today, is a sad day in history. Yesterday marked the final ride of the beansmobile. The mighty powerful Zed-Ex Twelve has pushed its last cc.
Engine died while riding. Proceeded not to turn over. Got the 12 home, realized the engine had siezed and their is this HUGE clanking sound coming from the engine when started so I immediately turned it off.
Expert eye witnesses say a rod went inside the engine.
Bike is showing nearly 36k miles, I just had the valve inspection done by the dealers within factory specifications.
Time to find out if the extended warranty really comes through for me!
   
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frEEk
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posted July 28, 2005 10:18 PM
damn dude, sorry to hear that. kinda a shame that an engine will only last 36k miles, but i guess when u want insane power form such a tiny package, u don't get long life.
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posted July 28, 2005 11:42 PM
Maybe it's time for a 10r???
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beansbaxter
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posted July 28, 2005 11:49 PM
Well, I sure hope the extended warranty I purchased takes care of me here. The entire engine in every single aspect is still bone stock, even the exhaust system. I really really hope this is covered under warranty, I cant see any reason why it wouldnt be.
On a side note, I am in some dismay to think an engine can only go 36k miles before something like this happens. Guys were getting close to 55k miles out of there ZX-11's before the third went out on them so I dunno.
Arent these newer motorcycles built to last to nearly 100k miles, cause the BMW's do.
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beansbaxter
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posted July 28, 2005 11:55 PM
 Edited By: beansbaxter on 29 Jul 2005 00:56
Click to hear the beansbaxter Death Rattle!
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frEEk
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posted July 28, 2005 11:57 PM
BMWs have nowhere near the power the 12R does, hence a large part of the long life. sportbikes are after all part way between a regular passenger vehicle (250,000+miles) and a full race motor (500 miles?) in terms of power density, so it's not surprising that expected lifetime falls between there too.
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Hells Dark Lord
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posted July 29, 2005 04:13 AM
should have gotten more out of a stock motor than 36000 miles, tha tis just crazy.....no reason that the 12 cant go 100,000 miles, with proper maintence.......
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posted July 29, 2005 04:14 AM
Daniel, I am going to start calling you Shleprock......you have THE WORST LUCK.......sorry dude....this bites...
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posted July 29, 2005 04:53 AM
WOW beans - sounds like a steam engine  . I hope she gets fixed under warente.
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posted July 29, 2005 05:53 AM
quote:
should have gotten more out of a stock motor than 36000 miles, tha tis just crazy.....no reason that the 12 cant go 100,000 miles, with proper maintence.......
I agree. Mine was approaching 49K at trade in. Sorry to hear about yiur bad luck, beans. I will be shocked and greatly disappointed if your extened warranty does not get you up and running again. Hopefully, your wait on backordered parts won't be too long, but that's something I wouldn't count on.
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beansbaxter
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posted July 29, 2005 10:56 AM
quote:
should have gotten more out of a stock motor than 36000 miles, tha tis just crazy.....no reason that the 12 cant go 100,000 miles, with proper maintence.......
I've always thought the same thing. I kept my engine stock, even the exhaust, and have done every maintenance as needed by the book, changing the oil out every 2500 miles religously.
My concern is though what do I need to do to get more mileage out the engine? If Kawi replaces it under warranty, what must happen to make sure the engine doest go down like this so prematurely.
I thought 60k miles was very reasonable on a 12r motor, no?
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posted July 30, 2005 03:45 AM
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My concern is though what do I need to do to get more mileage out the engine? If Kawi replaces it under warranty, what must happen to make sure the engine doest go down like this so prematurely.
Keep the rpms under 6000
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posted July 30, 2005 12:23 PM
Edited By: extremelean on 30 Jul 2005 13:25
I am watching.
Need to have the dealer figure out what has occured.
Make sure you read up on your extended warranty....I am not completely 100% versed.
I WILL keep track.......send me the last six #'s on your frame in a PM.
I make NO guarantees....but I will see if I can help
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posted July 30, 2005 05:57 PM
Ya gotta love a guy that cares about his company and it's customers.
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posted July 30, 2005 11:52 PM
I've got 38k miles on mine and it's still runs like brand new. I think I put like 25k miles on it during it's first year. Doesn't get ridden as much now.
Sorry to hear of your misfortune. Get it fixed and keep going.
Mine has the Hindle Step pipe with titanium end can, K&N filters and PC3 with Vincent Hill's map. I've used either Mobil 1 MX4T or Mobil 1 15w/50 its whole life. Changed the oil every 3-5k miles.
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posted August 01, 2005 04:42 PM
beans....forget about the frame #...... I have it !!....just wondering why that when I call your phone # I get a fax machine or computer ???
Whats up
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posted August 01, 2005 07:57 PM
he's 15 yars old, is using his mom's computer, and doesnt even own a bike
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beansbaxter
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posted August 02, 2005 05:38 AM
Edited By: beansbaxter on 2 Aug 2005 06:39
since i was well away from home when this happened, i just got back into town.
i sent ya a pm though xl.
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posted August 02, 2005 09:29 AM
Beans, one thing no one mentioned is the fact that the "STOCK" 12 had an additional Heat source. The Catalytic Converter which raises the exhaust temp from the Exhaust valve to the Muffler. I am willing to bet that the extra Heat does not help. I think a Stock 12 should go at least 50K before real work. If we lowered the compression 1 full point and lowered the Red Line by 500 RPMs, I also will bet that it could go 100,000 miles
I hate that for you!
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posted August 02, 2005 10:05 AM
Edited By: beansbaxter on 2 Aug 2005 11:05
does it help that i never redline the engine?
so what am i suppose to do so that this does not repeat itself, should the engine get fixed.
my concern is whether the engine will be rebuilt/repaired or a new engine swap is going to happen. something tells me the better option of having a new engine swapped is not likely.
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posted August 02, 2005 01:46 PM
What ever they do, break it is carefully and yes Red line the engine from time to time and remove the Cat!
You never said what you used for OIL?
Remember I stated that you could change Oil too much and never allow the engine to break in. 2,500 is not that bad either depending on the type of riding
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beansbaxter
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posted August 02, 2005 03:21 PM
Hmmm I used the standard oil the dealership used for the first half of those miles, when the dealer did all my oil changes. I soon wised up and started changing my own oil. Recently, I had been using Red Line 100% Synthetic oil with Poly and a 100% esther base in it, best stuff you can buy, expensive too.
For the record, I changed my oil every 2500-2700 miles, very religously. I can only think of one instance back around 22k miles when the oil had 3200 miles on it before I got back home to change the oil out.
As for my type of riding, basically all on the road, mainly highway. I ride and ride and ride and ride that thing. Truth be said, I ride fast the majority of the time, but I never redlined it never. I've hit some insane high speeds on numerous occassions, but always kept a careful eye on the temp and other variables of the engine.
I have never wheelied or done any trick on my 12. A testament should be that I still have my original forks and fork seals on there, and they are not even showing any signs of wear or leaking. If ya'll remember, my chain and sprockets were swapped out at 30k miles, and the dealer said they didnt even need to be swapped. I swapped back to stock oem stuff.
And no one can possibly imagine how I went through college with all the bashing I got for keeping a stock exhaust on the ole 12. Everone and their mothers gave me crap for it, kept telling me to get an aftermarket. My heart has been set on getting a Muzzys for it, but still held out, just didnt see any reason to tweak a stock engine that was more than any one person realistically needed.
I love my 12, it was sad taking it into the dealer today. Everyone from the owner to the salesman to the service writer to a few of the managers came out and watched me unload that bike. Everyone heard what happened, and they all know about my simple passion to just ride as well as my love for that motorcycle. I thought they were going to have an intervention for me, but then I realized they wanted me to buy a 10R.
I will never get rid of that 12, a second bike may happen, but ole faithful will be faithful again and be back in my garage....one day.
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posted August 02, 2005 03:55 PM
ANd I am still Looking for what if anything you did wrong
I took a friends KZ1000 LTD apart to fix a bad Counter Shaft Bearing and while I had the engine apart for the very first time I saw that he had a cracked bearing web in the case. It seems that when the engine was being built, the bearing race (Remember these were Roller cranks that had Pins to hold them in place) was not properly placed over the pin and when torqued down the webbing in the case cracked to releive the pressure. I have seen other mistakes made at the Factory and my feeling is, when they take that engine apart, that they are going to find that maybe the bearing sizing or hole for oil in the ROD was not correclty aligned with the Bearing Insert. and if it had not been a forged crank from Kawasaki it would have gone out 20 to 30,000 miles earlier!
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posted August 02, 2005 11:01 PM
Hope everything goes well to You and Your bike gets fast back to You. My ZX12 is no at the 86k km (53k miles) and only thing changed is gear change dogs. Also most of the riding is highway or twisties. So sound similar to Your riding. There was something wrong because it let go that early. One thing I usually think is that You should let the bike warm a little bit on the iddle before You race it. I always wait till the temp gauge is 2 notches up from the bottom ( so one notch on the warm part).
Tested ZX10 this summer for couple hundred kilometers and don't think that it is that good for highway riding. And even in the twisties the difference really isin't THAT big to justify the lack of wind protection. The ZX12 is one of the best do it all bike: reasonable to good in the twisties, good enough wind protection, plenty fast and comfort and just eats miles!
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posted August 05, 2005 11:13 AM
beans....keep us posted on what the dealer finds
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