10rmotor
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posted December 22, 2004 05:35 PM
 Edited By: 10rmotor on 22 Dec 2004 17:36
EastBayDave
Are you allowed to be a patriotic American and have a flag pole? Of course you are. When you build that flagpole out of PVC pipe, nothing says you can't stuff an antenna inside of it, right?
  
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frEEk
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posted December 22, 2004 06:35 PM
FP10r, i think u win the bad neighbour contest!! damn, what an asshole. i'm VERY surprised u didnt have him charged. i'm not a big fan of lawsuits (especially all those frivolous ones) but there are times when they are absolutely called for, and that sure sounds like such a case. of course, if ur insurance covered the damage, they normally would sue him on their own to recover their expenses, or at least that's the way it works here.
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EastBayDave
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posted December 23, 2004 06:37 AM
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EastBayDave
Are you allowed to be a patriotic American and have a flag pole? Of course you are. When you build that flagpole out of PVC pipe, nothing says you can't stuff an antenna inside of it, right?
Heheh. I guess a lot of folks do that. I don't want to bastardize Red's thread; suffice to say I went thru 5 years of hell (permits, pre-construction inspections, red tape, etc.- I could give 5 pages of details here) to put up a 60' antenna tower w/a largish 24'x 28' antenna on it.
I have pics, but no host right now so I'd send pics if you have an e-mail addy. It's pretty largish...Oh, & yes my neighbors hate me... 
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posted December 23, 2004 01:01 PM
freek,
I know what you mean and it was tempting but hate is a very destructive emotion and in the end their is more to life. I have been down that road a couple of times in the recent past and for me it is not good.
Had a supposed friend of 14 years burn me on a fraud scam for $320k involving construction on waste plants interstate and he nearly got a 12 gauge christmas present, but he wasn't worth going to jail for and ruining my family's life for.
My guts were knotted for months over this, my business suffered my family suffered, I suffered physically/mentally ( some say I never recovered ) until I could let it go. I had him charged, 2 years later he got 7 years for "obtaining goods by deception" served 2 years and is out.
Funny how he had to serve the last 18 months in protective, seems he rubbed someone the wrong way inside an copped a whooping BIG Time! Wonder how that happened...........! Karma.
Merry Christmas and a safe Holiday!
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10rmotor
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posted December 23, 2004 04:57 PM
EBD - no need for pics of your tower and array - my Dad was a ham and would drool as we went by houses in the neighborhood that had towers and beams atop them.
Ah what the heck, send a pic or too - here is my email
ted47dsr@sbcglobal.net
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Marcos Peguero
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posted December 24, 2004 01:26 PM
In RD, the only things not aloud is noise after 10pm and things in the sidewalk, if you are in your house you can do anything, neigbors help you all the time and we make the effort to kill thiefs before cops come or pay cops to send thiefs to the hospital ASAP.
send the old man a Chivas Regal 12 years and problem solved.
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Eddyo
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posted December 24, 2004 08:26 PM
He has a point!
Redelk...It looks like SHIT! If we were neighbors I'd have a problem with that piece of crap trashing the hood.
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redelk
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posted December 24, 2004 09:35 PM
Maybe so, Eddyo... but it beat the hell outta of living in Jersey. Where everything looks like shit.
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Eddyo
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posted December 25, 2004 07:21 AM
Redelk...Your correct about Jersey but in all honesty that trailor is a eyesore. Good luck with your efforts to avoid being a "Good Neighbor".
PS: I'm from Missouri. Kansas City to be exact.
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jonwright
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posted December 25, 2004 11:00 AM
Perhaps then, Eddyo, you'd like to pitch in a sponsor a storage space for said eyesore?
You can fuck *right* off, young man.
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MadMike
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posted December 25, 2004 01:47 PM
I wish my trailor was that much of an eyesore!!
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Eddyo
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posted December 25, 2004 02:52 PM
I like the friggin trailor (wish I had one) but the driveway of a residential home isn't a appropriate parking space for it you friggin HillBilly!
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MadMike
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posted December 25, 2004 07:58 PM
hmmm.. mine is parked in my driveway also... my neighbor asked me the other day if I ever rent it out.... I said free for you! he is going to move his son to Chicago. Good for me! I havent even started my race bike yet, so I want to get in good before I do.
And you know It is not a condo, they are not 300k+ homes, I do not see anything wrong with it. I am sure there are other work vehicles in the neighborhood.. Red, go around and shoot some photo's of the other vehicles/boats/trailers in your neighborhood...
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redelk
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posted December 25, 2004 11:03 PM
Edited By: redelk on 25 Dec 2004 23:14
Eddyo, though in some parts of the country, it might be pronounced "trailor", I believe it is spelled...trailer.
Kinda like there is only one upper case letter necessarily used in the term, 'Hillbilly". Even when referring to the "Orangemen" (Scotch-Irish supporters of King William). Of course, geographically speaking, it seems that the majority of the 50,000 square miles of the Ozarks (from which area residents are often referred to as "hillbillies") is actually in Missouri (33,000 square miles - 47% of the state). Interestingly, only a little over 24% of the state of Arkansas is covered by the Ozark area. Naturally, neither Kansas City, nor Little Rock is located in the Ozarks.
Just an FYI, my friend.
All the same, I can only assume that you would have similar feeling towards boats, campers and utility trailers. Then again, it could be a "size" issue. Maybe it would be acceptable for a 12' flat bottom, but a 21' ski boat would be too much. Since the length of the 21' ski boat and it's trailer would be similar to the length of the team's trailer. A small pop-up camper would be acceptable, but a small RV or fifth wheel camper is also out of order.
As previously mentioned, after living in this neighborhood for over a quarter of a century anf for over two decades at this address, I can rest assured that my neighbors feel comfortable living near me. Though I mentioned that many residents of this neighborhood are elderly, what I did not feel it was necessary to mention is the fact that I often assist them with personal tasks they are unable to do on their own. It can be something as simple as blowing and bagging their leaves in the fall.
It also can be potentially life saving. For example, because of the severe weather we recently experienced, many residents were unable to traverse the hills and curves at the entrance of the neighboorhood. While I was unable to get my sister's CRV unstuck on the first night, I spent over six hours during the past two days helping other get their vehicles unstuck or at least out of harm's way. If I could not pull them up the hill with my truck (or "push" in the case of one Honda Accord), I and other fellow neighboors would attempt to push them to a point where they could gain traction and continue on their way to their warm homes. Even after spending hours doing this, there is often twenty to thirty cars abandoned in this short stretch of the road.
This is what it looked like on last Thursday afternoon. Close to 24 hours after the sleet and snow started. Most were caught at work when the weather turned bad. The average drive that late Wed. afternoon that normally took 15 to 20 minutes... took over 3 hours for many.
A "dry" snow is usually not that hard for even the most elderly of driver to navigate. Arkansas gets far more sleet and freezing rain then snow. When it does snow, it is often just coating a layer of ice that can be well over an inch deep.
Driving on such a surface is dangerous even for a 4x4. I can not imagine anyone wishing an elderly person (or even a young person) having to walk miles in such conditions (with temps hovering arounf 14F). Not wishing to take that risk operationg a vehicle in such is understandable and reasonable. I'd never claim to be a "great driver", but I have never put a single person, their vehicles or other property at anything near would could be considered a risk. I wouldn't think of offering this assistance if I ever felt it was. Over the past 20+ years, its more like I've been a "lucky driver". For those that we were unable to assist with their car, I would personally drive them to their doorstep. If necessary, I would physicallly assist them make the dangerous walk on the ice to their front door, while carrying their personal belongings. Since I am often the only one crazy enough to drive to any and all areas of the neighborhood when the sleet and snow first covers the roads, if I did not perform this duty, their walk home could easily be be more than two miles. Hardly some one would wish upon their parents or grandparents.
For the 20+ years I had a 4x4 truck and had done this for my neighbors, I have never accepted a dime for it. No matter if I had to drive a 1/4 mile or over five miles in returning to get additional stranded neighbors. I've even had to go back to these peoples' homes to return money the tried to leave behind in my truck. For those that would try to stuff it in my coat pockets, I'd just simply wedge it back into their closed front door before I departed. I don't do it for the money or some kind of neighbor appreciation. I do it solely because it is the right thing to do. Nothing more. Doing such, some might be "offended" by your comment about "avoiding being a good neighbor", but since there is much more that I do for my neighbors, whether I actually know their names or not, that I don't feel it is necessary to discuss here... I just smile. For I do know what kind of neighbor I am to my fellow residents of this neighborhood.
Mike - Actually, the average price of the homes on the "top ridge" is around $250K to $350K. Along my street, its around $125K. My son and I have "toured" the 'hood and indeed there are other trailers in the neighboorhood. Some that could even quailify as "commercial". Admittedly, all of them are not a big as the team's trailer. On the other hand, among those "$300K homes", there are two boats that measure over 35' in length and over 15' tall. We call them "S.S. Minnows". One of them has a large grey tarp over it while the other is currently decorated in Christmas lights and garland. Being a tad more of the "luxury" recreational nature, there have been no complaints concerning they being located in front of their home. The same would be said about the ocassional 35' to 40' "luxury bus" RVs.
Oh yeah, I too have loaned my "little Wells Cargo" to several of my neighbors as well. When they did not have a vehile to tow it, I'd just tow it and assist them with what ever it was that they needed to be moved.
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Eddyo
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posted December 25, 2004 11:40 PM
Yes, I admit to being a HillBilly that took the wrong path but that isn't really germane to the subject under discussion.
I have no doubt that you are a excellent neighbor and no doubt that you are throughly despised for your many acts of charity (no good deeds shall go unpunished) and especially so when no opportunity is givin to discharge the obligation.
You are treading upon thin ice with this issue prepared as you are to cash in the many FAVORS you have involved yourself in over the years..
Take the path of least resistance my friend
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redelk
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posted December 26, 2004 01:33 AM
Understood, Eddyo. It would be folly to say that the trailer would be a "welcomed addition" to many residential neighborhoods. Including mine. In reality, I actually also wished I and the team did have an alternate location to park the trailer. If for any reason, just out of my respect for my neighbors. I do not wish to "cash in previous favors" I might have done for my neighbors. I've tried not to think of them as "favors" that could be possibly "called in" at a later date. Our only problem is that we do not have such a location available to us at this time. Becaused of the limited finances available to us (basically its what all of us on the team have to spare in our own pockets) and the lack of any sponsor, it took four of us to go in on the loan for the trailer itself. By getting it, it has freed up monies that we would normally spend on hotels and meals. We use air matresses to sleep on in the trailer and cook our own meals so we can focus our funding on the bikes and their upkeep.
I can assure you, if it was remotely possible to store the trailer at another location, we would. To simply park it at some storage facility just would not be practical for several reasons. The first is that we use to trailer to not only store some of the team's bikes, but on some ocassions to service them as well. Storing them during these frigid days and nights would normally require that we drain all the radiators to prevent freezing. Since I can provide power to the trailer from the 30A RV hook up in my garage, I can operate the trailer's own heating system.
Most storage facilities do not offer any power source to acomplish this. I am not aware of any such public facility. The practicality of the location of my tools, compressor and other personally owned equipment is also lost. If we were to have a location available to use that could offer us a safe and secure place to store our bikes, my personal tools and equipment and provide an area that had some level of climate control, as well as an easily accessable (24/7) area for me to perform services or for the riders to access their bike... we jump on it. We've have found some locations that offer some of the above aspects, but the ones that are lacking can be far to great to overcome or correct.
Be it distance, utilities, cost, access or security, there always seems to be one or more aspects that will be lacking that makes the difference between a workable option to something that just is not worth it. On any given week, I or a team member will access the trailer a minimum of five times a week. Often, I will access or in some way utilize the trailer each and everyday. It actually rather surprising how short of a time it is between the end of one season and the start. Addressing the details can be rather daunting and not all of it centers around the bikes themselves.
Over the past several weeks, I have performed such duties ranging from building an enclosure for my generator to reduce noise emissions to replacing the weather stripping and installing a locking RV latch on the trailer's side door. Of course, I also repaced several side cover gaskets on a couple of bikes and prepared one for possible sale. Building things like the enclosure means that I'll need as much space as possible Now that the first sprint race is less than six weeks away. The first endurance race is just four weeks after that.. Seeing as how the odds are we will not be selling the team's current endurance bike and will be forced to use it another season, I will have to tear the bike back down to the frame, swap engines and perform numerous repair and replacement activities.
Again, since all of us have "real jobs", our available time to do such activites it requires totally and unfettered access to both the bikes and equipment to facilitate this. Locating the trailer at an alternate location would currently make this acomplishments impossible to attain. We hope circumstances will change in he future, but until it does, we are forced to conduct the team's activties in this manner and keep the trailer in its current location. It has been in my driveway for over eight months now. I do not plan on keeping it there forever, but until an alterative presens itself or until the team's economic situation changes... we are kinda stuck.
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Eddyo
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posted December 26, 2004 01:57 AM
In that case I urge you to accept my apology as these details were omitted in your original post. If you & the Team were in my area you'd be more then welcome to park & use whatever resources available. I wish you guys all of the luck in the world.
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redelk
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posted December 26, 2004 07:49 AM
Edited By: redelk on 26 Dec 2004 07:52
Accepted, but not necessary because if we became too comfortable with it being located in my driveway and just ignore the feelings and unmentioned wishes of my neighbors, we will lose that drive to improve and succeed as a team. Whether it be at the track or with soliciting sponsorship. Having a facility to store and service the team's bikes and properties really is not that big of a wish. Even though there are a few requirements we would have for such a facility, they are just that... a few. We are not looking for something massive and similar to a professional team. A portion of a warehouse or just an open area with a shed or portable building would be more than enough to meet our needs.
Although any member of the team would be willing to park the trailer at their home, we all also realize that it would be doubtful if it would be totally accepted by those that live around them. For now, it is being stored with practicality in mind, not preference. We hope to eventually change that. We also realize that no matter how successful the team is at the track or in gaining some level of sponsorship, it will remain to be a "hobby" and will continue to require we spend money out of our own pockets. Many more times that what we could possibly get from success and sponsorships.
Though I do not race myself and do not have the expenses of entry fees or bikes and their upkeep costs I know that it is unlikely that we will get to a point where I will not be sharing in the expenses of travel and food. Until one of the other members buys a diesel truck for thier personal use, we will continue to use my hemi powered Dodge 2500HD as the team's tow vehicle. It might be a "tough truck", at a weight of over 7,000 lbs by itself, it is hardly the best choice to be pulling a trailer that also weighs over 7,000 lbs. Our fuel expenses for transportation of the trailer to and from events still exceeds several thousands of dollars each season.
I would guess that we have and will continue to travel over 9,000 miles each season to attend races and open track days. Since averaging 6 MPG is thought to be "good" at this time, you can see how such expenses can rapidly become rather high. Though it alone does not keep us from getting a "team owned" tow vehicle, considering what other additional expenses we all share in, reality regulates this wish to being more of a dream than a possibility. Even with all these factors and issues invovled in the team's activities, combined with the ups and downs that always accompany racing (i.e. crashes and injuries), it has not dampened our spirits or desire to continue racing. Our goals of some podium finishes and improving on or fifth place finish in class this season still remain strong and we alll feel realistically within reach. Whether we make any of these goals remains to be seen, but no matter what the outcome is at the end of our second season as a team, we all know for a fact that we will all continue to enjoy the thrill of competetion and the joys of friendships that comes with racing. That is something that is truly priceless.
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VincentHill
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posted December 26, 2004 08:19 AM
Red, everyone here seems to be missing something (I think) The problem was not with the "Trailer" but the word "Professional"! I think the word Professional comes from the Words painted on the side. No words, no Professional. My thought would be is to get a large mat or black plastic piece that could be Attached to the sides. Either by a channel it slides into or have screw in attachment points. Then it is just a "Trailer" which no one has anything to say anything about!! F em!
You have heard the following statements used a lot of ways, but in this case I would consider putting up a sign for the person that asked you to leave stating
FOR THE PERSON THAT WANTS ME TO LEAVE HERE!
"If they do not like it here, then go back to where they came from!"
"America, Love it or leave it" I
People are always complaining about something. If they do not like something, they are always free to leave!
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redelk
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posted December 26, 2004 10:11 AM
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My thought would be is to get a large mat or black plastic piece that could be attached to the sides. Either by a channel it slides into or have screw in attachment points.
Vince, if you review the vey first picture, that is what I have done on the driver's side. I bought a 5' x 24' 10oz black vinyl banner, similar to the ones we letter and sell in my business. It's safty wired to the bolts in the top moulding and bungy cords on each of the bottom ends.
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VincentHill
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posted December 26, 2004 01:13 PM
DId the "City Inspector" see the trailer with it done like that? If he did, then what is their problem! You pay your taxes and now want the right to face your accussor. The nit pick his place. maesure the grass in the yard and when 1 blade is over 4 inches call the City! If it snows, 5 minutes after it stopps, call the city. One toy left in the front yard, Call the city. at Christmas, one sign, call the city. I am sure you have some idea of who this is!
Fight the city because this is a Hobby and a business that you advertise when on the road!
The good news is, you do not live in a place like my Supervisor does! You cannot even drive a Pick up truck and live there. The place in Daytona a friend of mine lives and a lot of people have bikes, they must park them "IN THE GARAGE"!
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redelk
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posted December 26, 2004 05:02 PM
Vince - Yeah, the banner was on the driver side of the trailer, but there wasn't anything on the other side. I really didn't think it was necessary since the lettering was not as big (side door) and my 5x10 trailer blocks most of it. When My truck is there, the lettering is completely blocked from view. The lettering on the back of either trailer is never visible, seeing as how they are both backed up to within 4' or less from my garage door. As you can see in the second pic, about 6' of the lettering is exposed when I am not there (like when they came and "inspected"). It is about 2/3 the size of the one covered on the driver side.
It will likely be the first of the year before I get a response on my letter and pics that I hand delivered to the city zoning administrator's secretary. Since it doesn't violate the neighborhood's Bill of Assurance and they home owners association does not have a problem with it, we're still hoping that the city will just blow off the whole thing. They already know from other sources that I have attorneys lined up in case it progresses to a hearing. Even if it did (which I seriously doubt), I know that the old man who originally complained is probably very pissed off that the trailers are still in my driveway (he wants BOTH of them out of the neighborhood). If anything, they will want to expedite the case just so the old man will quit harassing them.
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vincentHill
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posted December 27, 2004 09:33 AM
This gos to everything has an advantage and disadvantage. We all want to live in a nice neighborhood, but we do not want anyone telling us what to do!
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fish_antlers
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posted December 27, 2004 10:43 AM
Redelk.... In my neck of the woods they toss you in jail and impound them there eyesores
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Otis
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posted December 28, 2004 06:44 AM
My neighbor's association does not allow that, or anything like that. No RV's, boats, campers, any type of trailers, nothing for longer than 24 hours.
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