OutsiderZX12R
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posted February 17, 2002 09:43 AM
Amen 22348bCVC. My thought exactly.
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posted February 17, 2002 04:28 PM
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posted February 17, 2002 04:48 PM
Geeze...how many of these things are going around? I signed one e-mailed to me, then I see this one with a LOWER petition number....?
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posted February 17, 2002 09:41 PM
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ROCKET J
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posted February 17, 2002 10:05 PM
 Edited By: ROCKET J on 17 Feb 2002 22:12
There is a special place in hell for company men.
In a short response to Redelk, you can justify anything. Yea money makes the world go 'round, whoopty doo. You would be hard pressed to find a bigger capitalist, or more materialistic person than myself, but even I can see that corporate America is really becoming a problem. Speedvision was making money. Maybe Speed Channel will make more. That doesn't have snot to do with enthusiasts. For instance, Ford is laying off thousands of people. Ford made money last year. Just not enough. That does not justify fucking up thousands of people's lives.
Yes Nascar drivers are professional racers and good drivers. Are they the end all? Hell no. Funny you should mention Jaguar. A few years ago in the bowl at Indianapolis Raceway Park, they had a race with million dollar XJ 220's. Many Nascar drivers were there, and it was won by a NHRA fuel driver. They turn left and right many times in a quarter mile, just to keep the thing straight. The King, Richard Petty drag raced (quite well) a Barracuda during Chrysler's abstention (because they banned the greatest engine ever) from stock car racing. He quit when he lost control and killed an 8 year old boy. So don't think that drag racers aren't drivers. The Best? Hell no. In fact, for the most part, drag racing is not a "driver oriented sport" it is a "mechanic oriented sport" if you will. But it is something that you can do this weekend.
Like I have said before, I like Nascar. I like some Harleys. I think that Haystacks Calhoun and Gorilla Monsoon are two really cool names. I like some Camaros too, but the reason that I have never owned one is that EVERYBODY had one, and they all thought that if you didn't own a Chevy your car couldn't possibly be fast. Same mindset with Harleys, same with Nascar.
There is a fine line between fashion and fad.
Ok, so not so short, sorry.
Oh yea, that is a big reason why a chose a 12 over a 'Busa.
Rocket
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posted February 17, 2002 11:18 PM
Edited By: redelk on 17 Feb 2002 23:25
Justify anything?
Rocket, I didn't realize I was trying to "justify" anything. If I appeared to, I'm sorry. That was not my intention. I also did not mean to offend you or anyone else. Again, if I did, I apologize. That was not my intention either.
As I said in my conclusion, "Just my opinion".
I, like yourself, enjoy watching various kinds of motorsports. I watched the Daytona 500 today... for about 10 laps. Then I went for a 200 mile ride. The only reason I watched any of it was because it was on while I was putting on my leathers.
Yeah, I might be a NASCAR fan, but I'm a bigger "fan" of riding my bike. As I mentioned earlier, I'll even watch friggin' lawn mower racing, but when it comes to anything motorcycle related, ALL other forms of motorsports take a very distant back seat.
That's also why in the petition's "comment" section, I listed motorcycle drag racing and club level road racing. I just figured that by stating something "specific", they might consider something "motorcycle related".
Earlier this year, I went to the IDBA world finals in Memphis. Though I wasn't real excited over the drag racing, the trip was well worth it. The reason was because I got to meet Mad Mike in person. During our conversations, I brought up the fact that I was really disappointed over the fact that SpeedVision wasn't there. They felt that the "championship" of lawn mower racing was worth broadcasting, but did not feel that way about the IDBA world finals.
This is sad. I really find it hard to believe that those involved in the network's programming wasn't "aware" of the IDBA, but on the other hand, it just might not be that far from the truth. If those in charge are just a bunch of Madison Ave. wannabes, odds are they do not have a clue on the wide varity and depth of motorcycle racing.
I do believe that there is actually more to this then just the folks at the Speed Network being ignorant. I almost believe that the AMA might also have a hand in keeping the programmers ignorant. Besides GP racing, is there any other form of motorcycle racing broadcasted on the Speed channel that IS NOT an AMA santioned event? I don't know. That's why I'm asking.
Since the recent history of AMA's screw ups on their sanctioned events and their attitude towards promotors of non AMA events, I would not be the least bit surprised if the AMA has actually tried to lock out other motorcyle sanctioning bodies, just so the could be the "exclusive" U.S. sanctioning body of any form of motorcycle racing broadcasted on the Speed channel.
Do I know this for a fact? Of course not. It's just wild speculation, at best. Still, I personally believe that there's at least a little bit of merit to it. IMO, this is where "money" comes into play. There is a possibility that the AMA has "bought" it's "exclusiveness" on the Speed channel and it won't be until the folks that run the network find it to be more profitable to dump the "exclusive" contract with the AMA, will they start broadcasting motorcycle events that are sanctioned by some other group, besides the AMA.
The AMA has already screwed itself over event schedules and locations. Hopefully, the 3 newly elected members of the board will see this for what it is, a waste of AMA's (members) money. What really sucks is that the AMA has done a piss poor job of promoting their Pro Star series. That just defies all reason.
If BGN, ARCA and Craftsman series draw viewers, why wouldn't IDBA, WERA, CMRA, CCS and even Pro Star? It wouldn't take a genius at the network to realize that more people would watch any form of motorcycle racing, instead of "learning" how to put an additional ciruit breaker box in their $100K+ "pleasure craft".
I doubt that these "pleasure craft" owners are sitting through the last 10 minutes of "American Musle Car", just so they can watch "their" show. I just don't see it happening. The show "Ship Shape" (or what ever it's called) should be the first one they cut! There is already a "boating network" and the producers of that program just needs to go sell it over there.
Sadly, IMHO, it all has to do with "contracts". Contracts with the producers of "Ship Shape", contracts with the lawn mower racing and even with the AMA. Until those contract expire AND until the "viewers" make their opinions known (like with the petition as well as letters and e-mails).... we're kind stuck with what their feedin' us.
Does this mean we should just sit on our collective asses? HELL NO!!! Even though many of the racing seasons of motorsports is just starting, we need to keep on "getting into their faces". Not just now, but all during the racing season. With any luck, they might consider some other form of "non AMA" motorcycle racing as a "filler". If this happens, I feel that we need to let them know that this is the kind of programming we want to see. I'd be foolish for us to just let the "ratings" do the talking for us.
Again... just my opinion.
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posted February 18, 2002 10:02 AM
Redelk, you may of hit on something. Specialization. With the boating channel (or whatever it is called) which I would watch, and now with Discovery Wings channel which I do watch, many of the cut programs might find new homes. Why not a MOTORCYCLE CHANNEL? Surely the number of people with bike licenses outnumber the people with FAA tickets. I would have to believe that more people have bikes than boats. Sponsorship would be good because the manufacturers could spend their advertising dollars (something you are familiar with) with the already converted, not just hoping to find a new hits here and there.
You know it is sad about the AMA. It is kind of like the AOPA for pilots. Pretty much the only game in town. It was at its inception a great idea, and did (and still does) many good things. However when a large amount of its time and money is spent just for self propagation, and has lost sight of the original goals, the time has come for a change.
Motorcycling is for the most part, a participant kind of thing. Yes it is good to watch on TV, but for most of us (I believe including you), we own bikes to ride them, not to collect, or be seen on them (quiz: what group am I describing?). Especially where it is too crappy to ride in the winter, those kind of shows, make life more bearable. Or unbearable.
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ROCKET J
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posted February 18, 2002 10:04 AM
We are family...
Redelk, you may of hit on something. Specialization. With the boating channel (or whatever it is called) which I would watch, and now with Discovery Wings channel which I do watch, many of the cut programs might find new homes. Why not a MOTORCYCLE CHANNEL? Surely the number of people with bike licenses outnumber the people with FAA tickets. I would have to believe that more people have bikes than boats. Sponsorship would be good because the manufacturers could spend their advertising dollars (something you are familiar with) with the already converted, not just hoping to find a new hits here and there.
You know it is sad about the AMA. It is kind of like the AOPA for pilots. Pretty much the only game in town. It was at its inception a great idea, and did (and still does) many good things. However when a large amount of its time and money is spent just for self propagation, and has lost sight of the original goals, the time has come for a change.
Motorcycling is for the most part, a participant kind of thing. Yes it is good to watch on TV, but for most of us (I believe including you), we own bikes to ride them, not to collect, or be seen on them (quiz: what group am I describing?). Especially where it is too crappy to ride in the winter, those kind of shows, make life more bearable. Or unbearable.
Rocket
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ROCKET J
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posted February 18, 2002 10:06 AM
We are family...
Redelk, you may of hit on something. Specialization. With the boating channel (or whatever it is called) which I would watch, and now with Discovery Wings channel which I do watch, many of the cut programs might find new homes. Why not a MOTORCYCLE CHANNEL? Surely the number of people with bike licenses outnumber the people with FAA tickets. I would have to believe that more people have bikes than boats. Sponsorship would be good because the manufacturers could spend their advertising dollars (something you are familiar with) with the already converted, not just hoping to find a new hits here and there.
You know it is sad about the AMA. It is kind of like the AOPA for pilots. Pretty much the only game in town. It was at its inception a great idea, and did (and still does) many good things. However when a large amount of its time and money is spent just for self propagation, and has lost sight of the original goals, the time has come for a change.
Motorcycling is for the most part, a participant kind of thing. Yes it is good to watch on TV, but for most of us (I believe including you), we own bikes to ride them, not to collect, or be seen on them (quiz: what group am I describing?). Especially where it is too crappy to ride in the winter, those kind of shows, make life more bearable. Or unbearable.
Rocket
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posted February 18, 2002 12:15 PM
MOTO CHANNEL IS HERE (I wish...)
...as I've more or less said on another thread, the motorcyclists' all motorcycle all the time channel...bulk of motorcyclcle manufacturers' ad dollars could be spent there...the magazines could buy spots there, too...the aftermarket, too...insurance....anything and everything motocycle or related...the manufacturers could also 'entice' motorcyclist with thier other wares (water craft, ATVs, etc.)...I'm no marketing genius or know the logistics of putting together a package like this, but do the manufacturers want growth?....I'd think here's an opportunity, no?
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posted February 18, 2002 01:02 PM
I'd like to thank all the little people...
I hereby nominate myself as overpaid CEO of the MOTO CHANNEL. Ok guys belly up some money. 
Somebody will do this. They will be rich.
Rocket
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posted February 18, 2002 01:04 PM
A recent quote I heard...
"You'd think with 50 MILLION motorcycles in this country, we could get the support..."
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magzx12r
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posted February 19, 2002 11:32 AM
Edited By: magzx12r on 19 Feb 2002 11:33
Daytona Motorcycle Coverage: 7 hrs
Check this out for coverage of the Daytona 200.
www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2993
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DaveInDaytona
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posted February 19, 2002 11:37 AM
That Daytona coverage is better than last year.
I hear rumors that the Speed Channel will actually carry MORE motorcycle coverage than it did before.
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ROCKET J
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posted February 19, 2002 01:00 PM
POTATO-POTATO-POTATO
Hey I found some 2 wheeled action, and it is on right now! Right after old stock car footage and before Inside Winston Cup, there is American Thunder!!! Bastards!
Rocket
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ROCKET J
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posted February 20, 2002 07:30 PM
Angst therapy
I haven't said this in a while now.
DIE! SPEED CHANNEL! DIE!!!
There. Much better.
Rocket
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ROCKET J
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posted February 26, 2002 12:44 PM
TWO wheel racing on the Speed Channel!!!
Finally.
The FIM Eurodrags.
Pro Stock bikes that run in the mid to upper sevens. Wow! If you think John Force is hard to understand, you should hear these guys.
The hot category was Super V-Twin. Where bikes have been known to run in the LOW SEVENS!!!
In the final run of Super V-Twin (Nitromethane) the guy ran a 7.66  The guy in the other lane, who had "Hells Angels Amsterdam" on his leathers, had his motorcycle break (a Hardley motor go boom.. now there is a thought).
Dave Schultz and Elmer Trett are rolling over in their graves.
Rocket
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ROCKET J
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posted February 27, 2002 09:43 PM
Credit where credit is due...
The Speed Channel is broadcasting all the Daytona bike stuff. A good deal of time has been allocated for LIVE coverage. Way to go Speed Channel. Woo Hoo.
Keep this up and...well you're still on probation.
Rocket
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