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posted November 01, 2004 08:13 AM
Mis-informed Lefties are the "ENEMY WITHIN".
Unbelievable Mindless CRAP!!!
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slug
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posted November 01, 2004 08:21 AM
you are right, iraq is NOT WW2
We got them BEFORE they could get us.
none of your comments have YET to give any good reason to vote Kerry, NOTHING. NOTHING kerry has said or done will be a change from Bush, please show me ANYTHING he claims that he will do in iraq or against terrorism, just ONE THING, please..
Deficit this defict that, fine. if that is the only thing you care about, great. you can have your balanced budget and any number of 9/11s you can handle.
Bush lost the popular vote, and he still won election. Because this is NOT a democracy. This is a Democratic federal REPUBLIC. this is NOT mob rule (which is what a true democracy is)
The issue that people have is they do not understand WHAT this nation is and WHY it has worked as well asit has for as long as it has.
there is no excuse for this, except that the government kinda likes it that way. an ignorant electorate is easily swayed by scare tactics like "Bush will institutde the draft" "bush will take away your social security benefits" "Al Queda will attack us if Kerry is elected"
And it is pointless to say anything against those, because the people don't care. if dan rather says it it MUST be true...
i have asked and aksed and begged for ANY positive reasons that we need to change leadership in this war. we are IN world war 4....the war against islamic terrorism. WW3 was the cold war....cost trillions of dollars to fight, thousands of lives lost in the pursuit of it. WW4 started in the 70s, and continues to this day. and Kerry wants to make people think he hasl eadership qualities when his OWN RECORD goes against that.
why don't you give some really GOOD things kerry is going to do, instead of just blatheringon about bush...
i can go on all day with the things that i dislike about bush and his policies, but the big ticket items are what really matter right now.
and the economy (which is not as bad as doom & gloom media says it is) is NOT the #1 priority...
you have to be alive to spend money...
you have to have stores and malls to shop in to spend money
you have to have confidence that when you go towork, someone isn't going to walk in to your kid's school with bombs strapped to their chests...
and right now there is only one candidate who provides evena shred of that security posture.
and that candidate did not take a poll to see what his official statement should be concerning the Osama Bin Laden video that came out threatening to kill americans if they elected GW Bush to a second term....
if he cannot formulate a stand on that video without taking a poll, WHERE do you think he will gather the LEADERSHIP and decisiveness needed to lead the USA? because it sure as hell isn't within HIM.
convince me why i should vote FOR kerry, and not why i should vote AGAINST bush.
POSITIVE.
why are kerry supporters so damned negative all the time?
and why is kerry violating the pulpit of churches preaching the good word of "vote for me" to the congregations? what happened to the DNC's stand on seperation of church and state? or does that only apply to Bush making statements about his faith?
   
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posted November 01, 2004 08:22 AM
Holy CRAP !!! Now The election is so large that they decided to split it up and extend it though Wednesday !!! Republicans are to vote Tuesday and the Democrats on Wednesday...Will we ever get this behind us ???
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posted November 01, 2004 08:39 AM
 Edited By: moodybluezx12r on 2 Nov 2004 08:50
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Iraq is NOT WW2!! Japan attacked us! They had a alliance with Germany & Italy! Which is why we declared War on all 3 of the Axis powers! What positive things about Bush? War & a deficit federal budget? I did state above ANYBODY but Bush!! Bush lost the popular vote last time, don't that say something right there? We shall see tomm.!!
i agree with you addison..man these right wingers...they are truly the ultimate excuse machine..
redskins lost....think alot of right wing conservs are going to be angry after tommorrow....lol
can't wait...
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moodybluezx12r
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posted November 01, 2004 08:51 AM
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We got them BEFORE they could get us.
so when do we invade iran and north korea....like to hear your reasoning...as you say...we need to get them before they get us...
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posted November 01, 2004 08:53 AM
We went through this whole Cheney / Haliburton thing back in july in a different thread.
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Vice President Dick Cheney continues to say that he has no ties to Halliburton since joining the GOP ticket in 2000. He also promised to clear himself from any conflict of interest should he become Vice President. In each of his claims, the facts tell a very different story.
CLAIM: "But what I'll have to do, assuming we're successful [in the election], is divest myself, that is, sell any remaining shares that I have in the company."
- Dick Cheney, 7/30/00
FACT: A congressional report found that Cheney still owns "more than 433,000 Halliburton stock options," including "100,000 shares at $54.50 per share, 33,333 shares at $28.125 and 300,000 shares at $39.50 per share."
- CNN, 9/25/03
CLAIM: "I severed my ties with Halliburton when I became a candidate for Vice President in August of 2000."
- Dick Cheney, 1/22/04
FACT: Along with the 433,000 stock options, " Cheney still receives about $150,000 a year" from Halliburton.
- CNN, 10/25/03
CLAIM: "What happens financially [by joining the GOP ticket], obviously, is I take a bath , in one sense."
- Dick Cheney, 7/25/00
FACT: Halliburton "has agreed to let Mr. Cheney, the Republican vice-presidential candidate, retire with a package worth an estimated $20 million, according to people who have reviewed the deal."
- NY Times, 8/12/00
So Dick still has stock worth $18,237,490. You're a smart guy Slug. What happens if Bush policy favors Halliburton and the stock goes up say 10%. ? [\quote]
I agree the monthly payment isn't that big a deal. But owning millions in stock that has gone up in value because of direct decisions made by this government is scandalous.
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posted November 01, 2004 09:06 AM
Edited By: slug on 1 Nov 2004 09:07
so are public officials forbidden to keep their stock investments when they get to office?
and i still don't see how cheney made the army corps of engineers hire KBR
no one has EVER been able to provide ANY sort of proof or even a single shred of evidence that said that cheney made the deal go through, OTHER than conspiracy theory of course.
the sad fact of the matter is that KBR was the current contractor for similar projects, and the logical choice for the emergency contract.
If i have my pension investment with my current company, and i get elected to public office, do i forfeit my pension?
we DID go over this in July, and i fail to find any wrongdoing that conspiracy theorists paint huge grandpictures of.
KBR has been a big player since at least the clinton years in just the sort of work that is going on, why wouldit be any different now?
moody: the logical problem with going in to north korea is that they already have the nuclear weapons, and the intent to use them. To invade them would be idiocy, since they would certainly launch against any number of other targets (japan anyone?) that they ahve threatened already with those nukes.
hussein did not YET have nuclear weapons technology, and he for themost part was still limited in the damage he could inflict outside his borders. but how long to you give him to perfect one or the other under the total failure known as the UN inspections? ESPECIALLY considering the erosion of sanctions that were accelerating as germany and france and russia pushed for more concessions for (as it later turns out,thir sugar daddy hussein) iraq?
iran, i don't know enough about that situation to make an informed comment on, so i'll refer you back to the ones that actually DO know and make policy.
north korea is a no-brainer, common sense says it would be 100% irresponsible to go in there.
like i said, we got Hussein before he became a hitler-level threat. unfortunately we were NOT able to get North Korea before that happened. and someone sometime is going to pay a bloody price because of that.
risge your cheney "facts" and such are nice reading, but you assume an intent which no one can assume or know. unless you have good evidence that cheney forced the contract then pelase produce. otherwise it is an excercise in speculation that will lead nowhere.
and IF cheney DID push the no-bid award, why would he allow the bid process to occur a few months afterwards? why would he take the chance that they might not win the bid?
By taking the republican party nomination for vice president, he lost out his CEO pay from the company, which i think was worth a lot more than the VP salary. his severance is quite large sum to me, but again it is paid out over ocurse of years. what was his salary before he quit?
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posted November 01, 2004 09:47 AM
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Iraq is NOT WW2!! Japan attacked us! They had a alliance with Germany & Italy! Which is why we declared War on all 3 of the Axis powers! What positive things about Bush? War & a deficit federal budget? I did state above ANYBODY but Bush!! Bush lost the popular vote last time, don't that say something right there? We shall see tomm.!!
The Iraq situation is VERY similar to the events that lead up to WWII. Specifically the League of Nations that was formed just after WWI had several treaties designed to help "control, monitor and police" Germany, to help insure that German no longer became a world threat. This is similar to what happened with the modern day UN after the Gulf War. ALSO similar, the League of Nations became corrupt from within, starting out with allowing tiny "changes" to the treaties (for a number of reasons) that eventually led up to the complete in-ability of the Leage of Nations to stop Hitler from arming and then initiating the Blitz across Europe. This is also similar - Sadam's techniques of "pushing", "waiting" and "manipulating" the UN's sanctions were leading to the same state - that the sanction would eventually either be lifted, or would be useless. Here is the KEY difference - GWB and our country LEARNDED FROM WWII. We hit Sadam BEFORE he could become a world threat (Like Hitler) again. You libs really should study history more - so you don't make the same mistakes that were made in the past. You can't rely on "sanctions" to solve a madman's race to military power.
Also - (small side note) America was VERY devided on the issue of entering into WWII (even to some extend AFTER Pearl Harbour). We had adopted a general feeling of complacency and isolationsim. Yep - we had stupid libs back then too.
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posted November 01, 2004 09:50 AM
Edited By: deathpulse on 1 Nov 2004 09:55
Here is another question for you Kerry lovers - what would Kerry have done differently in the War? Waited till Sadam built up his military machine again? Done nothing until we or an ally were attacked again? Waited until Sadam had nukes? I don't get your possition? ITs like you want to stick your heads in the sand and not see what is going on around you. I guess there were LOTS of people that believed that in Europe in the 1930's too - just before the Blitz.
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posted November 01, 2004 09:51 AM
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Mis-informed Lefties are the "ENEMY WITHIN".
Unbelievable Mindless CRAP!!!
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deathpulse
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posted November 01, 2004 09:59 AM
BTW - how are you libs doing with finding us some evidence that the only reason we went to war was for WMD's?
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deathpulse
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posted November 01, 2004 10:04 AM
Come on now - I thought that the evidence was "Everywhere" and "Easy to find" in "all kinds of factual reports".... RIIIGHT
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deathpulse
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posted November 01, 2004 10:05 AM
Well, remember what the famous Ronald Regan said
"I didn't leave the party. The party left me".
This is what happens at some point when you see past the liberal lies and distortions. I just hope some of you look to reality and have the same epiphany.
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posted November 01, 2004 10:15 AM
Actually it was Cheney's push to privatize military services during his term as defense secretary under Bush 41 that made KBR a player and then....oh suprise yes he goes and works for a company that directly benefited from his policies as Sec Def.
And no there is no smoking gun but there is plenty of smoke. You keep missing the obvious points however.
One. Regardless of whether he should, had to, whatever he said HE WOULD diviest himself and he didn't. That makes him at worst a liar, at best a piece of open toed beach footware.
Two. It looks bad. Its common sense that you don't put a former Boeing VP in charge of the FAA, A dow chemical VP in charge of the EPA , or a Phillip Morris VP in charge of the FDA. It's bad policy. It's like making Clinton Dean of an all girls college.
Three. All Cheney had to do to make more money was push for war. He didn't need to manipulate the procurment system. WAR = $$$ Would Cheney put profits before his duty to his country? Show me a single instance where Cheney made a personal sacrafice for his country?
Of course this doesn't matter now because tomorrow Bush/Cheney are getting their walking papers.
Just a hint; When polls show Bush /Kerry tied at 47-47 or 48-48 that means Bush loses. Undecided historically break 80% for the challanger. Even a 46 Kerry, 47 Bush is a loss for Bush.
It is no longer a matter of who deserves to win but who will win.
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posted November 01, 2004 10:27 AM
so Ridge... using your own logic - you know all about Cheney's finances and Bushes finances. You seem to have a problem with the "conspiracy" behind Cheney's involvement with a large US company and its impact (I don't agree with this - and I'm in the accounting world - but that is your choice). How do you feel about a candidate that will not fully disclose his families finances? Isn't that worse to you?
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posted November 01, 2004 10:35 AM
cheney is a crook...and a classic chicken hawk..ya know..commit others to war but when it was his turn he had other priorites...one deferment after another....now that i think about it...both bush and cheney are chicken hawks..
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posted November 01, 2004 10:37 AM
Edited By: deathpulse on 1 Nov 2004 10:40
That is the BEST you can do? I'm very dissapointed in the liberal arguements. They seem to be highly speculative, baseless, non-factual and short sighted. You appear to vote on hatred, more than anything and ignore many facts. This is the type of activity that really will rot the coutnry from the inside out.
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posted November 01, 2004 10:43 AM
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moody: the logical problem with going in to north korea is that they already have the nuclear weapons, and the intent to use them. To invade them would be idiocy, since they would certainly launch against any number of other targets (japan anyone?) that they ahve threatened already with those nukes
so lets extend your point out logically....nukes equal diplomacy and no nukes equal invasion...well that's a receipt for destruction...ya know...(axes of evil country thinking) if i get nukes the us will not invade... if i dont get nukes they will invade...god help us....the right wingers are going to insure all axes of evil counrties strive for nukes...
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deathpulse
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posted November 01, 2004 10:44 AM
So - lets all stick our heads in the sand!!! thats a GREAT policy!!!
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posted November 01, 2004 10:45 AM
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That is the BEST you can do?
if telling the truth is the best that i can do...i'll take that every time...lol
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posted November 01, 2004 10:47 AM
You have yet to provide truth based on facts. We are STILL waiting. The only 2 facts that have been stated are some sketchy details about Cheney's involvement with Haliburton - and a statement that he made (and was taken out of context) from 1989. I guess your version of the truth is different than mine. It seems that many liberals take a possition, then listen to soundbites and solidify that possition, calling it "truth".
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posted November 01, 2004 10:53 AM
Edited By: moodybluezx12r on 1 Nov 2004 10:53
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0%2C13319%2CFL_war_083104%2C00.htmlwhat's your excuse for this? deathpulse.
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posted November 01, 2004 10:57 AM
Facts we are still waiting for:
1. The details around the 350+ (or is is 350, or maybe 100?) tons of "missing" explosives in Iraq
2. The proof that demonstrates Bush EVER SAID that the reason we were going to war was due to WMD's
3. The proof that Kerry has released ALL of his service records (particulaly the records that show what his commanding officers reported about him - and the details of his discharge)
4. The proof that Kerry himself doesn't have similar or MORE financial ties than Cheney/Bush into companies that are involved in the war.
5. The proof that everyone working directly with Kerry in Vietnam thinks he would be a great commander (his OIC's don't think so...)
There are probably more - but these are the few I remember from the past day or so.
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posted November 01, 2004 10:58 AM
OH SHIT - I almost forgot one!! a BIG one!!!
6. The proof that Kerry has a "Better Plan" for Iraq. God its been 18 months - all I hear is "I have a plan" - well.. WHAT IS IT?!
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posted November 01, 2004 11:00 AM
Yo DP!! Using your own logic, what about Iran? We know for a fact they are closer to Nukes than Iraq(after the fact) ever was!! Are they next? Where are we going to get the troops? They are all deployed elsewhere! We also know Iran has a rocket capable of hitting Tel Aviv, then what? What makes Iran different than Iraq anyway? This administration isn't even consistent in their own actions!
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