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posted October 11, 2004 05:28 AM
 Edited By: VincentHill on 11 Oct 2004 06:31
Does 2 out of 3 count?
I was just watching CNN about the largest COntributors to Bush and Kerry! Well "Don King" was the Largest single individual to contrubute to Bush $44,500! He may not have turned WHite, but he sure us "Rich" and I think he is "Dumb" (except when it comes to taking advantage of people) I forgot, that is what that party is about. Taking from the Have nots and giving to the Have mores (Per Bush Quote "My friends are the Have Mores"!)
One of the reasons there is no Lock Box for Social Security is they are taking the Money to fight the war because after the tax cuts there is not enough money otherwise. This was voted very closely and all republicans (Who see no need for Social Security because they are already rich) have voted for this in COngress and the Senate. SO if there is no money for Social Security, do not Blame the Democrats.
By the way, My Mother N Law who totally lives off of SS & Medicare is only 1 out of the 3 (White) but as I am trying to tell you, that seems to be enough! (SHe likes the Republicans and even admitted if they had their way, she would mostlikely be living on the streets.
Last, this is not Racist, it is just an observation and even Bush does not waste his time going to any place where the Majority will be Black. John McCain did!
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posted October 11, 2004 08:47 AM
Look, lemme point out here that I wont be voting for either one of these dipshits. Im a libertarian. I just dont see why people have such a knee-jerk reaction to bush. I think he is doing pretty well, considering the party he has to work with. The whole prescription drug thing was a fiasco tho.
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posted October 11, 2004 02:53 PM
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Look, lemme point out here that I wont be voting for either one of these dipshits. Im a libertarian. I just dont see why people have such a knee-jerk reaction to bush. I think he is doing pretty well, considering the party he has to work with. The whole prescription drug thing was a fiasco tho.
Do me a favor, take this quiz - it take about 30 seconds.
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Even Though I am a Died in the Wool Democrat, I voted for John Anderson as opposed to voting for Carter who was doing a terrible Job and against Reagan who I felt would be Acting President I finally foted "FOR" someone. The "BEST" People for a Job are smart enough not to run!
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posted October 11, 2004 06:44 PM
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I forgot, that is what that party is about. Taking from the Have nots and giving to the Have mores
that has to be the single-most overused line i ahve heard
and it also ranks as one of the top of the "Most Ignorant" list
that line exists for one reason and one reason only, to incite class rage. "HE has mor emoney than *I* do so HE must be evil"
and only intellectually dishonest people, or ludicrously ignorant people, use it and mean it.
please tell me, how DOES the republican party, or the democratic party (who are also made up of the "have more's" as you so eloquently put it) for that matter, steal from the poor lowly working black man...to give to the filthy evil rich white man?
because that is what your previous posts boil down to.
if someone is rich, it isbecause they stole from the poor.
how the HELL can you steal from someone that has nothing?!?
what kind of screwed up logic are you using to get to that little gem of liberal talking points?
what kind of basic ignorance exists, or what kind of dishonesty exists, to allow something that idiotic to pass as fact?
at risk of someone thinking this is a personal attack, let me asure you, that statement i will call idiotic no matter WHO says it...i don't care WHO you are, it makes no nevermind to me. that statement is born of some sort of twisted way to make the lower-income people of america hate the higher income americans. who, by the way, pay more than 90% of ALL taxes...., yes i said ALL taxes...
but all that money had to come from the so-called "poor" people in some way right? by YOUR premise, it MUST have originated from the poor folk, who are only poor because the rich people stole from them.
never mind all the people who worked their asses off to make a good living. never mind all the people who went to work before dawn, got home after dark, just to make their fortunes. as soon as they are 'rich' they are stealing form the poor.
that line of rhetoric is possibly MORE offensive than the racist comments constantly made by the DNC....all made with a full pass by hte media. (you know, like the ones "minorities can't succeed unless WE step in to help them" attitudes, and the like)
if someone doesn't like their job, or their pay, find a new damned job. if they're too scared to look for a new one, or too scared to get a new one, or too stubborn to even bother, or too self-defeatist to even try, then shut the piehole and live with the choices they made in life that got them where they are now.
and don't give me that crap line about poor people never having a chance. it is pure bunk. the only person in this life that can defeat you, is YOU. if youlet someone else keep you "down" then YOU LET THEM WIN.
live with THAT crap.
If your point of view is that rich people steal from poor people, and that the republican party steals from the poor to give to their rich friends, then your opinions are not worth discussing. because frankly, you either don't care if the "Facts" you spout are factual, or you don't care to be bothered to actually research them. in either case, any argument is wasted time. emotional rhetoric is a waste.
it sure is nice to grouse abouthow someone got rich stepping ont he little people, but 9 times out of 10 the reality is not that. and yet people persist, because it is EASIER to blame some damned rich white man for their life choices, than to accept the consequences of years of choices.
bitch all you want, but bill gates is rich because he is smart, and had a great product marketing team. but hey, he must have robbed all kinds of poor people right? he's rich isn't he?
   
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posted October 12, 2004 02:12 AM
Slug, I am quoting what Bush said about himself and a fund raiser. He said, Yes, I am proud to say that I count as my friends "The Haves and the Have mores"! I do not care about what anyone else says, it is what "HE" Bush says that I speak on.
SLug, Like everyone, there are the Honest and Good People and there are the Not so Honest and Bad People. Kennedy's father was basically a Crook which is how he got his money. Now he does not need to be one. Bill Gates is not a good example to use because even though he had more money than anyone, he is not satisfied with that until there is no one else that has an operating system other than his. That is why he was sued by the Federal Government. Right now, in the upgrade package that was just installed he has some type of Security device that is like a Pop up and ignores the Norton I have and would make someone think that they had to install his programs (For a fee) to be safe. Also that Microsoft messenger the same thing and I hate it!
SO if you have a problem with the Haves and Have nots, then send a note to Pres. Bush and tell him (not me) how you feel about it! Here is the Quote!
There were several items that caught my attention. The first was a clip of a GOP fund raiser prior to election 2000. The clip shows candidate Bush speaking in front of a head table with important folks like George Schultz present. Bush turns to the unseen crowd and says "There are the 'haves and the have-nots, - and then there are the have-mores' while gesturing to the assembled crowd. "You are my base". The head table guests were laughing and grinning, secure that they were among the candidate's rich circle of friends and advisors. It seemed a gleeful moment, at least to me.
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posted October 12, 2004 02:54 AM
did you even read what i QUOTED? did you even read what i posted? what i said? nope apparently not.
here let me quote it again for the cheap seats:
I forgot, that is what that party is about. Taking from the Have nots and giving to the Have mores
THAT is the statement i am talking about, but obviously you didn't read anything i wrote because that was made BLINDINGLY clear, in the FIRST DAMNED LINE of the post....
READ WHAT WAS QUOTED and don't just assume... Your comment that basically says the rich stole from the poor, and the bush admin is currently stealing from the poor to give to the rich (read what you typed that's what you are saying) is pure and complete BS
and frankly i was totally surprised to see you say something so ignorant and utterly baseless. and then to completely go off tangent and try to change the subject andmake it seem like i was talking about something totally different?
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posted October 12, 2004 03:31 AM
Slug there is no use debating Vincent on this, while he is a good guy, he misled and he is surely the king of class and race warfare.
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posted October 12, 2004 06:35 AM
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Slug there is no use debating Vincent on this, while he is a good guy, he misled and he is surely the king of class and race warfare.
Otis, that is why I keep you in prayer! Also if all of your party menbers had your attitude, there "WOULD" be more party members.
Slug, yes I did read the first part of what you said and my question to you is, "Are the Party members not following what the Party "HEAD" thinks"? If he is making the policy, then the members are either in for all or not members.
I actually looked at some numbers about the Delegates. The "Higher" percentage of people making over $200,000 (72%) were at the Democratic Convention vs the 67% for the Republicans. Also the number of Party members that make over $200,000 indicates that 37% of Republicans vs about 26% for Democrats. BUT, the highest number of Millionairs was at the Republican COnvention and in the Republican Party.
So just looking at this, the the Haves and Have mores are his base in fact!
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posted October 12, 2004 09:37 AM
You guys really live in some kind of dream world don't you. Talk about being ignorant.
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if someone is rich, it is because they stole from the poor.
how the HELL can you steal from someone that has nothing?!?
You steal their labor. In 1982 the average CEO compensation to average worker compensation was 42:1. In 2002 it exceeded 300:1. Worker productivity has steadily increased; fewer workers are working harder and longer and producing more. But real wages barely keep up with inflation.
From 1990 to 2003:
CEO pay rose 313%
The S&P 500 rose 242%
Corporate profits rose 128%
Average worker pay rose 49%
Inflation rose 41%
So workers work harder and the bosses get richer. I can't wait to hear you explain how its all the workers fault.
The Forbes 400 are 10 times, TEN TIMES, wealthier than they were less than 20 years ago. Meanwhile wages and wealth of the the average american is actually down over the same period.
Obviously a rising tide does NOT lift all boats.
I can't wait to hear your social darwinist explanation of why the rich are getting so much richer (and deserve to) while the rest of us are getting poorer.
As for rich people stealing;
Who wins a sporting event? Who wins a war? The side that wants it the most. The side that is willing to do anything. Who sells more used cars? The honest man who tells you everything wrong with his cars or the man who lies? Our economic systems rewards the worst among us.
Just look at Enron. In 1999 they had a 54% growth rate with 31 Billion in sales. They must have been the best, smartest, most honest business men in history! Wrong they were a bunch of crooks.
And Bill Gates is the worlds richest man because he is the smartest programer, hardest working, most honest guy ever. Yeah right.
The largest employer in this country now is Walmart. It used to be General Motors. All the manufacturing jobs are going overseas. Why? So the CEOs can make even more money.
I might believe all these republican hard luck stories about taxes etc. holding back the economy if it wasn't for one thing. Everyone at the top is getting rich. If the wealth of the top 1 percent was declining, or even stagnant, it might have some credence.
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posted October 12, 2004 10:14 AM
Great stuff Ridge. The Problem is, the Choir is in the "Other" church 
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posted October 12, 2004 11:16 AM
ridgeracer: but does the CEO not have the responsibility of the entire company?
in your world, the CEO gets paid hte same as the laborer right?
the incentive to be CEO and deal with the stress and the decision making, is higher pay.
right now american labor force is the single HIGHEST PAID labor force in the world. but in your eyes, it is all theft from the poor...
this is why we are "outsourcing" to use one of your favorite terms...because we cannot continue to make products and sell them at the prices the CUSTOMERS DEMAND if we continue to pay the same amount for labor...
the rich getting richer, but why? because of investments....not because they get paid so much more.
gates is rich, not because his paycheck is incredibly huge, but because his investments are doing well. hard to believe, but most of these ultra rich people don't have a billion dollar a year paycheck..but they DO have a lot of investments, and their stocks are the valuation given to them...
but i like your class warfare ridge, because it implies that there is no way for the average laborer to ever better themselves. never a way that they will ever make more than 18 an hour to assemble car parts.
but i digress, everything bush does is evil, everything kerry does is the gospel
all must bow down and kiss the feet of the democratic party, so they can get their next gpvernment handout.
all must bow down and worship the ground kerry walks on, so that HE can make the paralyzed walk again. (yes, Edwards stated that if elected Kerryw ould make stem cell research (which is LAREADY FUNDED BY BUSH ADMIN) legal and thy would cure all the paralyzed people out there.)
all must just totally flush any ideas of self-worth, and give it up to the group, the nebulous "society" of the united socialist party of america, aka the DNC.
bah this is wasted time. go, hate people who ahve worked to get to a decent position in life. go, hate the people who are rich. go, hate the people who are white, because it is all THEIR fault you are where you are at now.
hate hate hate. that is ALL i ever hear from democrats...WHY?
(that was a rhetorical question, which means there is no need to answer.)
Vincent: you admit that you saw the quote i was referring to, and yet you still refuse to address the actual questions.
at least ridge tried to back you up on this one. sounds like only one of you had done any research at all. though i WOULD like to see the source of statistics. statistics are great, they sound good, but it is always nice to know the SOURCE of those statistics.....
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posted October 12, 2004 11:22 AM
Asa clarification to the above:
i NEVER said that ALL CEOs are honest, even though YOUR implications are that they are ALL crooked.
i NEVER said that all workers are overpaid for their productivity, but YOUR implication is that they all work really hard so their thieving bastard of a CEO gets the rewards.
i NEVER said that all rich people are honest andhard working, YOUR implication is that they are all stealing from the poor people.
i NEVER said that all democrats are socialists, but YOUR implication is that all republicans are crooked because they have rich friends.
BTW the republican base is not the evil filthy hated rich, by a long shot. the rich, if they ALL voted, wouldn't even win one state....just food for thought.
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posted October 12, 2004 12:19 PM
I was told by my Daddy that I should never argue with a Fool because people will not know which one you are. No one here is a "Fool" but they do foolish things. I know that your mind would not be changed if you saw and Heard Bush saying and doing the same things Nixon was doing, so I do not try, it takes too much energy and I am an Old Man that is using what little I have to get the Dang Bike to do everything I want it to do, but I do enjoy a good Debate. I will try to find the source again and put up the URL. It was several news papers, but I also saw him on the Local news. Remember in Washington, the "Local News" is National news for you.
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posted October 12, 2004 03:04 PM
i am not disputing he said he was inthehave more's or any of that, when will you READ what is posted?
why not asnwer the questions that i ASKED instead of the questions you choose to make a big deal about?
is it because, perhaps, you have ltched on to the have more have less have sh*t rhetoric and lost the view of the actual topic of concern?
and thanks for calling me foolish, it always makes your argument, and your point, that much better and sooo much more intelligent sounding....
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posted October 12, 2004 03:38 PM
Here's one for you all - Kerry will be just like Carter. Wasn't he grand? NOT.
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posted October 12, 2004 04:18 PM
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Here's one for you all - Kerry will be just like Carter. Wasn't he grand? NOT.
Best Ex President we have ever had. Hopefully Bush will take notes
WHen I get a little more time, Slug I will carefully read "ALL" that you said and then answer.
There are only so many hours in a day and Old people have even less of the awake. Maybe you missed my point about arguing, It is Foolish to argue, but you are not a fool! (The Bible says call no man a Fool so I do not! (There is a guy from Shitstain Ohio that comes real close!)
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posted October 13, 2004 04:22 AM
Did you hear Edwards with his "if we are elected, alzhimers will be cured, people like Christopher Reeve will walk again bla bla bla" speach? God. These idiots will say ANYTHING to get elected, and libs buy it hook line and sinker without questioning their records, reality or history.
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posted October 13, 2004 06:43 AM
dp: i heard it too, and it really pissed me off
especially the senate pandering that happened the same day
'"bush placed the worth of a few cells the size of the dot onthispiece of paper, over that of this hero Reeve'
it was nauseating
but i bet you the left will ahve some sort of explanation to explain away the blatant assholeness of all those tuckfards.
Reeve's problem wasn't lack of stem cells, but scar tissue growth. as is the case with aLOT of spinal injuries. the inability to prevent scar tissue formation on and around hte nerves hinders the healing process. and embryonic stem cell research won't fix that problem...
as a side note, Bush is the FIRST president to EVER fund that research, (yes even embryonic, though it was limited to the cell lines they already had. this fits in with his anti-abortion stance, which was the biggest stumbling block on it all) He did stipulate that there would be no MORE added lines of embryos FEDERALLY FUNDED. NOWHERE did he EVER forbid privately funded stem cell research, as the left would have you beleive.
but i digress from the reality here
Bus his evil
Kerry is good
People who are rich are all crooks
People who are poor are all saints
White people are evil
Rich black people are even more evil, they are WHITE lapdogs
hrmm what else..i forgot all the rhetoric already... i'm sure more will come to me
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posted October 13, 2004 08:44 AM
I will add a few.
People on the right want a Strong Military and to pay No (or Low) taxes to support it.
People on the right are against Big Government and Big Government spending except for the Military which make them spend more than all of the others. (Like Star Wars)
People on the Right all want a Tax cut even if it is at the expense of the Deficit, Social Security and Medicare.
The Rules are for everyone "But" us.
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posted October 13, 2004 09:03 AM
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i NEVER said that ALL blah blah blah, even though YOUR implications are that they are ALL blah blah blah.
You sure like to put words in my mouth.
You asked a simple question about how do you steal from the poor when they have nothing. My last post simply answered that question. You steal their labor.
Where have I ever said 'I hate'? When have I used evil? You guys are the good and evil crowd. I don't believe in evil.
And for the record there are a whole lot of people I would rather vote for than Kerry. You guys can bash Kerry and Edwards all you want but there is on thing you can absolutely not dispute, Kerry is not Bush.
All those green party people I talked about who will vote for Kerry don't like Kerry. Half the people I know in the democratic party don't like Kerry. But we all realize that this country is headed over a cliff. All Kerry gives us is a small ledge to stand on.
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BTW the republican base is not the evil filthy hated rich, by a long shot. the rich, if they ALL voted, wouldn't even win one state....just food for thought.
Bush doesn't want their vote, he wants their money and influence. What is more important, that I have one vote or I own 63 TV stations?
As for his base I heard an interesting interview with a minister who said as long as America was blessed by God we don't need to worry about the economy or war etc. cause God will take care of it. Of course if this country votes for Kerry and he becomes president we will lose Gods blessing because Kerry supports Gay Marriage and abortion....just food for thought.
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These idiots will say ANYTHING to get elected, and libs buy it hook line and sinker without questioning their records, reality or history.
Look in the mirror sucker.
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posted October 13, 2004 09:15 AM
Just to lighten things up a bit.....
http://www.jibjab.com/
then click on 'This Land'
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posted October 13, 2004 09:27 AM
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These idiots will say ANYTHING to get elected, and libs buy it hook line and sinker without questioning their records, reality or history.
Look in the mirror sucker.
Ridge - that is CRAZY. Bush isn't making too many wild ass promises (like Kerry/Edwards). He doesn't HAVE to, he has a platform that is already in place. Its working. The economy is going GREAT. The war in Iraq IS being won (and "the peace" is being restored). We haven't had a terrorist attack on America in YEARS (not that we won't ever, but they seem to have gone down DRAMATICALLY). My taxes ARE lower. These aren't wild ass promises. They are what is going on in our country right now under Bush. Now... comments like "under our administration Reeves will walk, alzhimers will be cured etc etc etc". Those are WILD ASS NOT POSSIBLE PROMISES. Kerry's campain is FULL of them and... HE is full of shit  .
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posted October 13, 2004 09:40 AM
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right now american labor force is the single HIGHEST PAID labor force in the world. but in your eyes, it is all theft from the poor...quote:
Growing inequality of wealth and income, mainly because of stagnant or declining real wages for all except the top 25 to 30 percent of largely college-educated income recipients. However, real incomes declined for college-educated males in the late 1980s and for women in the 1990s. Inequality in the United States is the highest that it has been since World War II; poverty in the United States (after taxes and transfers) is over twice the rate for other OECD countries and is especially high for children. The United States has a particularly high proportion of working poor. The lowest 10 percent of European workers earn 44 percent more than the lowest 10 percent in the United States. In 1996, 40 percent of young men in the United States worked full time for less than poverty-level wages compared to only 18 percent in 1980.
Growing inequality would be less problematic if it were offset by upward economic mobility, but research by Belle Sawhill and her colleagues at the Urban Institute shows this not to be the case. As a consequence, opportunity, while considerable, is no higher in the United States than in Europe and is declining across life spans and generations.
Growing inequality is not accompanied by positive adjustment processes to ensure an equitable sharing of the benefits and costs of change. Wide disparities in wealth and income diminish national consensus about solutions to problems. Income inequality likewise strengthens support for divisive social theories that justify inequality as "natural" or even socially beneficial.
http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/ites/0298/ijee/ejmarsh.htm
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right now american labor force is the single HIGHEST PAID labor force in the world. but in your eyes, it is all theft from the poor...quote:
Growing inequality of wealth and income, mainly because of stagnant or declining real wages for all except the top 25 to 30 percent of largely college-educated income recipients. However, real incomes declined for college-educated males in the late 1980s and for women in the 1990s. Inequality in the United States is the highest that it has been since World War II; poverty in the United States (after taxes and transfers) is over twice the rate for other OECD countries and is especially high for children. The United States has a particularly high proportion of working poor. The lowest 10 percent of European workers earn 44 percent more than the lowest 10 percent in the United States. In 1996, 40 percent of young men in the United States worked full time for less than poverty-level wages compared to only 18 percent in 1980.
Growing inequality would be less problematic if it were offset by upward economic mobility, but research by Belle Sawhill and her colleagues at the Urban Institute shows this not to be the case. As a consequence, opportunity, while considerable, is no higher in the United States than in Europe and is declining across life spans and generations.
Growing inequality is not accompanied by positive adjustment processes to ensure an equitable sharing of the benefits and costs of change. Wide disparities in wealth and income diminish national consensus about solutions to problems. Income inequality likewise strengthens support for divisive social theories that justify inequality as "natural" or even socially beneficial.
http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/ites/0298/ijee/ejmarsh.htm
Uh... we are a capitalist society - not a socialist or communist society.. soo... what else is new? The thing that many of these studies do not point out is that, while inequality in upper/middle/lower classes has been growing since the breakup of the robber barens, total quaility of living has been going up constantly too. So, yes, we may not all be uber billionairs, but we live much better at the lower levels than ever before, so... does it matter? Whats the point?
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posted October 13, 2004 03:53 PM
typical, you ignore all the positive things said, and focus on the negative
but here, is a point i'd like to add
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3. Faster job growth and lower unemployment than most European countries. Since 1960, employment has doubled in North America while increasing by only 20 percent in the European community. However, U.S. unemployment has declined since the 1980s because of slower growth in the workforce, not because of faster economic growth, which has slowed since the 1960s and 1970s. Moreover, U.S. economic growth stems more from the increased use of labor, not because of rising productivity per hour worked. In fact, average annual productivity growth rates between 1987 and 1995 were significantly lower in the United States (0.9 percent) than in other member countries of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) (2.2 percent).
why should we pay more money for less productivity?
outside of our country, where i ahve visited, i ahve noticed the difference between different wealth levels. Middle class, or even poverty class here, is demonstrably better off that the upper and middle class overseas.
he can spout those little figures, andyou may toss statistics around like that all day long. but go LOOK and see for yourself...
poor people here? they got it MADE compared to some other places.
when the average yearly wage is a few thousand dollars. and people LIVE normally....
get out and look around, at the world around you. see those pictures of slummy looking homes in mid east? that's middle class....they live worse than our poverty stricken people here do....
Based on your boldfaced line in your quoted text, you feel that all the money earned should be handed in and distributed equally?
social inequality IS natural. it will ALWAYS happen. If i am willing to work 80 hours a week, i will make twice as much money as the guy next to me that only works 40 hours a week. there's nothing that can change that fact. i work and produce more i get more compensation.
you cannot legislate work ethic. you cannot legislate people to care. you cannot legislate people to work harder. you cannot legislate equality, because people are NOT all the same.
but by your spoken views, you feel that the poor are poor becuase they are oppressed and stolen from by the rich.
by the way that clarification was intended towards my own post immediately preceding it, to get rid of any confusion.
and yes you DID imply all those things by YOUR OWN Ccomments. re-read your OWN comments...and see what you are saying in them.
your comments about good/evil etc. sure. why do you vilify rich people?
the types of comments you make lead me to believe that you truly HATE those people. why else would you accuse them of thieving from the poorest of the poor for money reasons? you wouldn't say that about someone that you had respect for. but i realize you HAVE no respect for anyone that makes more money than _________ a year (please fill in the blank for me, i would like to know what the filthy rich cutoff is for you, where they are stealing from the poor and not just working for it)
Vincent: the social security/medicare thing is overused and underresearched. try again.
just another scare phrase. and it works every time. because people don't bother to look it up.
defecit, well, why not let the garbage programs get cut out?
againyou lump and lump and lump
group and group and group
because apparently that is the only way that some people can find any worth, is in a group.
it is hte INDIVIDUAL not the group that makes america great. it is INDIVIDUAL freedom of choice that makes america what it is. when you have to classify EVERYONE in to a group (rich, poor, white, black, left, right) you lose that perspective, and will ALWAYS fracture instead of build
that is my BIGGEST dislike of the liberal side of the house, EVERYTHING is about hte group, and never concentrates on what actually will make a difference, the PERSON.
people are not numbers, but to liberal idealogy the group of numbers is all that matters.
and that is why what you placed in bold is an actual natural FACT of life. inequality exists because we are composed of INDIVIDUALS. we all work or don't as we see fit (barring physical/mental disability). some will always work harder than others. it's the way things go. Many people i have worked with are content with their pay (though they grouse about not being paid enough, they don't pursue anything to CHANGE that). some people are not, and seek something else.
if a person is willing to make the right choices, they can and will succeed in life. if you don't believe that, then your view of your fellow human is decidedly low.
btw...
what does God have to do with any of this? why does it always show up as some sinister dark plot "the religious right" and crap? why does our society dislike Christianity so much?
also, i don't bash Kerry, just his position on vital issues.
you say bush is sending this nation over a cliff...but i don't see it the way you do. then again i am a glass half full kind of person, so what do i know about pessimism. i am very cynical mind you, but i also allow POSITIVE news to have an affect. and i refuse to dwell only on the negative.
there is PLENTY i can say about bush that is not positive. and HAVE said (which always gets ignored)
but what repulses me is when someone makes a blatantly false allegation. i refuse to support the same sorts of allegations about clinton when they were rampant.
but see, i am man enough to admit that there ARE positives about both sides. but just bashing is much easier don't you agree? let me tell you i have done PLENTY of bashing of bush's policies, but in all reality they don't amount to NEARLY the immediate threat that others outside this country amount to.
but ic an say that til i am blue in the face, it won;t mnatter to you will it? as long as i disagree that all rich people are stealing from the poor i am ignorant and foolish.
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