VincentHill
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posted November 02, 2004 02:00 PM
Remember, Today is National Abstention from SEX Day! "No Dick and NO Bush!"
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posted November 02, 2004 03:10 PM
Wow. still arguing  . Ah well, it will all be over after today.
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posted November 02, 2004 03:40 PM
Crappy thing is that I can't stay up and watch tonight - gotta get on a 5 hour flight tomorrow morning  boooo!
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posted November 02, 2004 04:09 PM
Get'cha some Bush before you turn in.
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VincentHill
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posted November 02, 2004 04:11 PM
NO! NO! Abstain!
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posted November 02, 2004 04:13 PM
ROFL Zam hehehee.
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VincentHill
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posted November 02, 2004 04:25 PM
Just for Slug and the Long winded Posters Here you go!
Subject: Military Service: Democrats vs. Republicans
> >
> > Pattern here? What does this say?
> >
> > Democrats:
> >
> > * Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
> > * David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
> > * Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
> > * Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
> > journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
> > * Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
> > * Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
> > * John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with
> > Combat V,
> > Purple Hearts.
> > * Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
> > * Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
> > Vietnam.
> > * Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
> > * Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
> > * Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve
> > 1979-91.
> > * Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven
> > campaign ribbons.
> > * Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
> > Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
> > * Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver
> > Star
> > and Legion of Merit.
> > * Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
> > * Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam;
> > Bronze
> > Star
> > with Combat V.
> > * Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
> > * Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
> > * Chuck Robb: Vietnam
> > * Howell Heflin: Silver Star
> > * George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
> > * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft
> > but
> > received #311.
> > * Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
> > * Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
> > * John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18
> > Clusters.
> > * Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by
> > Raoul
> > Wallenberg.
> >
>
> >
> > Republicans -- and these are the guys sending people to war:
> >
> > * Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by
> > marriage.
> > * Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
> > * Tom Delay: did not serve.
> > * Roy Blunt: did not serve.
> > * Bill Frist: did not serve.
> > * Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
> > * Rick Santorum: did not serve.
> > * Trent Lott: did not serve.
> > * John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
> > * Jeb Bush: did not serve.
> > * Karl Rove: did not serve.
> > * Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who
> > attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
> > * Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
> > * Vin Weber: did not serve.
> > * Richard Perle: did not serve.
> > * Douglas Feith: did not serve.
> > * Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
> > * Richard Shelby: did not serve.
> > * Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
> > * Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
> > * Christopher Cox: did not serve.
> > * Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
> > * Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
> > * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National
> > Guard; got
> > assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend
> > running
> > for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam,
> > disappeared
> > from duty.
> > * Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat
> > role
> > making movies.
> > * B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over
> > in
> > Korea.
> > * Phil Gramm: did not serve.
> > * John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple
> > Heart
> > and Distinguished Flying Cross.
> > * Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
> > * John M. McHugh: did not serve.
> > * JC Watts: did not serve.
> > * Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued
> > in NFL
> > for 8 years.
> > * Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
> > * Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
> > * George Pataki: did not serve.
> > * Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
> > * John Engler: did not serve.
> > * Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
> > * Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
> > Pundits & Preachers
> > * Sean Hannity: did not serve.
> >
> > * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
> > * Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
> > * Michael Savage: did not serve.
> > * George Will: did not serve.
> > * Chris Matthews: did not serve.
> > * Paul Gigot: did not serve.
> > * Bill Bennett: did not serve.
> > * Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
> > * John Wayne: did not serve.
> > * Bill Kristol: did not serve.
> > * Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
> > * Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
> > * Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
> > * Ralph Reed: did not serve.
> > * Michael Medved: did not serve.
> > * Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
> > * Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't
> > shoot
> > back.)
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posted November 02, 2004 04:32 PM
OMG - some of those are kinda slanted mr Hill - for instance, Arnold was AWOL from the Austrian army for a weekend while he went on to win Mr. Europe. He returned to base and the army actually forgave him (what could they do) and made him a representative weightlifter for the army . I'm sure there are lots of other served/didn't serve on both sides . For instance - GWB senior served in WWII, was shot down and rescued by a sub!!! Talk about harowing war experience!!
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posted November 02, 2004 04:34 PM
ITS ON!!! the votes are coming in!!!! WOOOT !! MAtch of the CENTURY!!
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posted November 02, 2004 07:19 PM
so vincent: the only requirement in your mind to send a soldier to war is that they served themselves?
and you believe that what Kerry did after the vietnam war ENTITLES him to send someone else's kids to war?
(let me remind you, he DID abandon every person he ever served with, and he DID call every one of them war criminals, and he DID say that HE performed war crimes...) and he is worthy HOW to be commander in chief?
please tell.
how can a man who failed to uphold is OATH OF OFFICE as a NAVAL OFFICER be trusted to LEAD that same military he eschewed his entire political career?
Addison: comments like yours are ignorant, and i truly hope that is not the extent of the thought you have put in to this whole situation.
if it is, i hopeyou don't vote at all. an ignorant voter is more damaging than one that sits at home. if you don't even have a really good reason to vote,t hen don't bother wasting the poll workers' time....
ridge: as far as your insulting little comments about me "not having a clue" and the like, i really don't study much on the scientific study grants, personally i feel many grants are a waste of taxpayer money. like the grant to study the snoring habits of the great spotted dog-tick..or whatever else.
as far as "bringing it down to my level" let me try to raise up to your arrogant holier than thou level for a moment: how is the united nations, and germany and france, taking money from saddam hussein JUSTICE?
how is the United Nations relaxing sanctions on Hussein when he is 100% contrary to the resolutions the sanctions were supposed to be enforcing, JUSTICE? how in ANY way is the united nations in the right about Iraq?
you are right though, no justice, no peace. and until the united nations actually ENFORCES its own resolutions, they will remain the most UNjust entity out there. because they PROMISE one thing, and deliver nothing but hot air and posturing.
vincent: GW Bush did NOT fail to complete his national gaurd service. that point was proven so badly even the democrats who are intelligent stopped talking about it. the points were added up,he had WAY more than the minimum required service time. only in the last 2 years (when vietnam war was winding down and pilots were being furloughed) were his point close to the minimums, but they WERE stillabove minimum.
that comment is a bald faced lie, and NO WHERE is there anyone with any sort of integrity still bandying that lie around. get off it before you get considered to be lacking integrity by continuing to spread lies....
Ridge: If you don't think that anyone will ever launch ICBM, then you are sorely mistaken. many countries have test-fired EXACTLY that technology. there is no reason to expect they WOULD NOT use it.
patriot missile systems performed admirably well considering the task they had: to detect, track, plot a course, plot an intercept, and launch and INTERCEPT a moving missile. all with 386/486 level CPUs....
i submit that even ONE ICBM that is prevented from reaching its target is worth every penny ever spent on a missile defense system.
however, a missile defense system is more of an offensive tool than defensive. it's called a deterant. why would you fire a missile at a country with a missile defense system, knowing full well that the odds of getting your targets are small, and the odds of retaliation high?
ADT stickers on houses don't make them burglar-proof, but they DO serve as a deterrant. it makes the would-be criminal think twice about the action they are about to undertake....
why do you think we still keep Trident submarines deployed, by your 'logic' since cold war is over they should be mothballed....
but then again it is *I* who am the clueless one.
   
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VincentHill
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posted November 02, 2004 07:20 PM
quote:
OMG - some of those are kinda slanted mr Hill - for instance, Arnold was AWOL from the Austrian army for a weekend while he went on to win Mr. Europe. He returned to base and the army actually forgave him (what could they do) and made him a representative weightlifter for the army . I'm sure there are lots of other served/didn't serve on both sides . For instance - GWB senior served in WWII, was shot down and rescued by a sub!!! Talk about harowing war experience!!
AGREED!! Bush Sr is a true War Hero in every sense and should have been on that list like McCain and there should have been more about McCain to boot. The worst part is there are a LOT of people that avoided the Military!
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posted November 03, 2004 02:51 AM
AAARGGH!!!!!
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posted November 03, 2004 04:20 AM
 Edited By: slug on 3 Nov 2004 05:05
wow, long night
hrmmm
there is a huge difference in popular vote this time...that ought to satisfy the true democrats. (ones who feel the popular vote itself is all that should matter)
if Kerry gets 100% of all the absentee and provisional ballots in ohio, there is possibility he could carry ohio. that would give him 272 and a win. (if wisconsin goes for kerry as it appears)
it all boils down to a waiting game now. at least there is no huge legal embroilment like 2000. don't know that the country would put up with another of those...
edit: oops..heh shouldn't do math before waking up ;P
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posted November 03, 2004 04:42 AM
Bush won - its just a matter of waiting for everyone to accept it .
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posted November 03, 2004 06:13 AM
Well, I can tell you this. We will DEFINITELY get rid of Bush next time, GUARANTEED!! LOL!
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posted November 03, 2004 07:49 AM
Hail to the chief.....George W. Bush! (Thank God)
With the House and Senate in hand....Good Judges will put in place to help reverse the last 30+ years of degrading our country and a Respectfull replacement for the FED. Chariman will be appointed.
HILLARY WATCH IS NEXT!!!!!!!!
Do not allow the SOCIALIST to "regain" the White House!!!
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posted November 03, 2004 02:40 PM
Thank God John Kerry took it like a man and did not whine and cry like Al Whore !!!!!
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posted November 03, 2004 09:21 PM
Edited By: Scooter on 3 Nov 2004 21:32
http://www.compfused.com/directlink/421/
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posted November 03, 2004 11:00 PM
Gotta say, I was impressed with Kerry taking it like a man. That showed some class - and some concern for the American people. Class act at the end.
What a GREAT night for conservatives though!!! Lots of good ground gained!!! I'm tickled pink today! I haven't slept in 50 hours!!!! I think I need to crash now - GOD what a day !!
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posted November 04, 2004 07:24 AM
I'm pleased. I'm not gloating . Let's ALL get on the same page now. UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL !
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