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posted October 08, 2004 06:39 PM
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posted October 08, 2004 06:59 PM
The next president!??!
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Zammy
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posted October 09, 2004 04:25 AM
If so ,he'll beat Hillary as the first woman president.
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posted October 09, 2004 06:44 AM
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going to win in a landslide.
In 2000 Nader and the Greens got over 2% of the vote. They were unhappy because Clinton/Gore were not liberal enough. Now you may laugh but when push came to shove Clinton was no friend of Unions or the Enviornment. He always sided with the 'economy' (read big business)
Anyway in 2004 The green party is in shambles. In fact there is NO green party anymore in my county. And when I go to my Dem precinct meetings who do I now see there? Almost all of the green party leadership. They would rather be a flunky in the Dem party than a leader in the green party. And say what you will about there ideals, these people are serious about their politics. They will doorbell, standout in the rain with signs, and now how to register voters.
On the otherside even if all the Buchanan ultra fiscal conservative, small government types can hold their nose and vote for Bush, who has shown he is no conservative, they just don't have the same numbers as the former greens.
And I personally know of 4 republicans who voted Bush last time but will vote Kerry this time. I don't know any Democrats who are going Bush this year...and I know a lot more Dems than Republicans. Even my own mother, who thought Reagan walked on water and has voted Republican all her life and despised Clinton shocked me the other day and told me that Bush was a 'little weasel' and she was voting for Kerry.
In Ohio 200,000 new voters have registered just in the last couple of months. 10 to 1 Democratic.
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posted October 09, 2004 06:49 AM
Hey Ridgeracer, I will take that bet! how's about a fine bottle of wiskey!
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posted October 09, 2004 07:12 AM
I'm IN!! GWB is gonna win it. He did very well in the debate last night I thought. He FINALLY brought up the sorted record of his challenger. WOOT!
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posted October 09, 2004 08:11 AM
I'm still wondering how so many folks believe what he says . He's been around for twenty years and NOW that he's running for prez, he suddenly can fix everything??? You can't even get the two JOHNS to show up and vote for issues that they say they care about. In the immortal words of a great american, Homey the Clown..." yo, What up wi'dat ?"
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posted October 09, 2004 08:40 AM
Democrats in Oklahoma are a large majority but they went for Bush last election and probably will again.. I'm a democrat but I wanted Bush to be successful and I always try to support my president.. He has failed miserably.. Look at the ecoomy, oil prices, division in country over way war is being fought, failure to caputure Bin Laden, alienation of our allies, and the fact that medical costs have risen over 7 percent for each of his four years.. The growth in the national debt is the worst problem in the long run after the deaths of servicemen in Iraq and Afgahanistan.. I came back from Vietnam knowing it was a very stupid way to fight a war and I see nothing smarter about the present military situation.... Just my 2 cents.. I'm 56 years old and have seen a few presidents in my time.. I believe that Bush is worse than Nixon!!!!!!!!
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posted October 09, 2004 10:19 AM
uh... so you are voting for Kerry not because you like what he stands for and feel he would be a good president.. you are voting for him because you hate Bush? That seems like a VERY bad reason to vote for Kerry.
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posted October 09, 2004 10:22 AM
BUSH is KING!!
Kerry SUX!!
I am fighting for a MAN now....don't want to have to listen to a scared bitch if Kerry wins.
GO BUSH!!
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posted October 09, 2004 11:56 AM
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BUSH is KING!! (and just like a King, (with the possible help of Daddy), he stayed home while others faught) Not to mention his distingished National Guard record
Kerry SUX!!
I am fighting for a MAN now....don't want to have to listen to a scared bitch (AT least he was not so scared that he Vomunteered to go to Viet Nam when others stayed home or went to Canada!) if Kerry wins.
GO BUSH!!
Think about this, If Bush was not in office, you might not be "Fighting" at all or if you were, you would be in Afganistan keeping the peace because by now, Bin Ladin would have been caught!
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posted October 09, 2004 12:04 PM
See what I mean ? Seemingly smart people are swallowing the Kerry crap in HUGE numbers . If Bush wasn't in office , We wouldn't be ANYwhere doing ANYthing with tail tucked FIRMLY between two cheeks.
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posted October 09, 2004 02:01 PM
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See what I mean ? Seemingly smart people are swallowing the Kerry crap in HUGE numbers . If Bush wasn't in office , We wouldn't be ANYwhere doing ANYthing with tail tucked FIRMLY between two cheeks.
You call fighting in Afganstain "Nothing"? Hiding in the National Guard is what I call Tail between the Cheeks!
Bush is doing the "Lords" work and I cannot fault him for that! We all know the end of the World "Armagedon" will happen in the Middle East and everyone will be involved. With Bush, this will happen Sooner rather than Later, so make sure you have your house in order if you are voting for him! About the Seemingly Smart?? I plan to become a Republican just as soon as three things happen! #1 I become Rich! #2, I turn White and #3, when I am delcared Senile
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posted October 09, 2004 04:25 PM
I think the guardsmen and women that are over there now no how democrats feel about them with all this cowardly National Guard demagog that Kerry is trying to use to his advantage, and I'm sure they,and ALL their friends and family wil vote accordingly.
Vince ,I'm not pickin' on YOU ,just the whole "who ya gonna believe" thing . Hell I'm married to a "yellow dog democrat" so I see first hand how yous guys think , AND avoid Fox News like it's poison. If it wasn't so important it would be humerous.
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posted October 09, 2004 07:40 PM
why do you have to be white or rich to be republican?
i would think that ANY person that works for their paycheck would tend to be more apt to vote republican. in general it is more often republican party that fights to let wage earners keep more of the wages they earn (tax cuts etc)
it is more often the republican party that helps larger businesses have the ability to stay solvent, thereby saving jobs from being lost.
it is more often than not that the democrats support any labor union, regardless of how detrimental that union is to the workers that union is supposed to be protecting
it is more often than not that the democratic party fights to KEEP union bosses politically powerful, no matter what kind of BS that those bosses put their union members through.....
JUST on workers and laborers....
it was republican party that made overtime pay mandated for MORE workers by increasing the mandatory overtime pay cutoff (instead of being required to pay overtime for only those workers making 250 a week or less, it is now requried to be paid for those workers making 455/week or less....)
but for some reason it is the democratic party that is considered the "working man's" party
but except for their lip service to the unions, i don't SEE that support.....
except at election time of course....
NOR do i get the whole racism angle. because i may vote republican, that means that i must be white? WTF?
if i were black and i heard HALF the things the democratic party says about black people, and IMPLIES about them, i would be thoroughly pissed off. they can say things so blatantly racist it isn't funny. (remember the democrats in california who said that ebonics needed to be taught in schools because they (as a race) were incapable of learning english? *I* was pissed about that and i'm not minority. what a f-ed up thing to say? can't learn it because of their skin colour, give me a damned break)
like affirmative action, MANY quotes that basically say without affirmative action, minorities are incapable of being successful...the democratic party takes the stand that THEY in their all-powerful station in life have to "help" others to succeed by giving them a job based on their race and not by their virtues.
YES i understand that there are plenty of racist assholes out there who will never hire minorities except because of the laws. but why would i choose to work for that asshole in first place? (other than, perhaps, the spite side of things heh heh)
BUT the politicians go too far when they say that minorities are unable to compete on job skill levels and must be given 'help'
what a bunch of arrogant pricks. the snooty "WE are better than they are" crap just chaps my ass. WHY doesn't it chap yours?!?
and here we have Mr Kerry, the spokesman for the party for the "common man" who worked exceedingly hard at his labor job to earn his hundreds of millions. and is touted as the "working man's man"
a man who has been on the government payroll, SET FOR LIFE, for the last 2 decades....but HE knows about the working man....
granted neither in this race are what i call real working men, but only one candidate is actually being called the "working man's friend"
and he is furthest in my mind to ANY concept of actual work.....
when was last time one of your co-workers flew his hairdresser halfway across the country to do his hair up for him?
i DESPISE blind party affiliations with a passion. Why? because it eliminates THOUGHT from the whole process of our electoral.
that ANYONE can tout John Kerry as the working man's "friend" is a sad commentary on what our society's thinking level is....
i also despise the race card....that is the most overplayed crap in the politics game.
saying that you ahve to be white to be republican...
i guess condoleeza rice is white? just has a dark tan right?
or is there another term for her? "jumping ship" to the white side....
what about Thomas Sowell? is he really white, just masquerading as a minority?
or is it inherently wrong for a minority to be SUCESSFUL in this nation? because every time i see a minority who has made a good life for themselves, they are always refered to as traitors, or whatever else. ANYTHING but "great job man"
or maybe i just don't understand....perhaps i never will.
it's like the county i used to live in. People there KNEW as soon as you asked them, what party they belonged to. But ask them why? and the answer invariably was "My grandfather got a job because of the democrats back in the depression" and "we ALWAYS vote democrat"
doesn't matter that was the democratic party of the 30s and 40s, which bears little or NO resemblance to the values held by today's party....all they care about is the party name on theballot. and they won't ever change their minds. because that's how paw-paw and daddy voted, so they will too.
As far as the national gaurd cracks..i thought you wouldn't stoop to that sort of garbage. i guess i was wrong...
i'll not pass that little gem on to my step-brother. he would surely appreciate it.
  
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posted October 09, 2004 08:27 PM
Just an FYI - I think Bush has more african americans on his core team than ANY other previous pres... doesn't he? I mean, with Bush vs. Kerry its all about actions speaking louder than words.
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posted October 10, 2004 05:38 AM
Edited By: Zammy on 10 Oct 2004 06:41
African American Republicans???? Is that even legal now???
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posted October 10, 2004 07:30 AM
Edited By: VincentHill on 10 Oct 2004 08:38
a SERIOUS Answer to "MY" thinking on the White and rich.
On the White part.
Yes Lincoln was a "Republican" but somewhere around the early 1900's the 2 parties seemed to switch positions like they seem to be doing right now (In the 50's 60's and early 70's could anyone imagine a Republican spending more than they had? And during the same time, Could anyone imagine a Democrat "Cutting" people off of Welfare? Cutting the Deficit and spending "Less" than we took in? It would have never happened!
On to why.
#1, the Word Dixie-crat and Reagan-Democrats are words for the Democrats that live in the south and voted with the Republicans to keep Racial Segregation alive and well in the late 40's up to the late 60's. When Reagan came in, they all became Republicans
#2, In the early 60's when Kennedy and Johnson carried out the Equal Rights ammendment, all Republicans voted against it and if not for a majority of Democrats in Congress, I would most likely not be where I am today. I could not have the Job, Live where I live and do what I do. Remember, even the AMA up to the early 50's did not allow Blacks to be members, so they could not race. I would have never been allowed to Race at Daytona or anywhere else and most likely would not be on this board because I could not afford a ZX12 or race at Maxton (BTW, I have not seen any other Black Land Speed racers either? Sort of like if your Folks did not do something, then you do not either. I am the first in my family to do most of what I have done in life)
To sum it up, why should a Black person vote for the people that tried to keep them down?
The Rich Part
Social Security and Medicare are Democrat Programs that would not exist if left to Republicans. It is SImple, If you are rich, you do "NOT" need either!
Republicans are not for Welfare for poor people, but will bail out Chrysler (During Reagan's Time) Put tarriffs up so that Harley could force us to buy them or pay more than necessary for what we wanted (Again during Reagan's time saying that he was a "Free Market" President)
SO if you are Black and have the Brain power to either remember this (I lived throught it) or have studied and Know this, then why if your brain is still working, would you support this party!
Last, Yes the party is different now? Like a lot of you, I cannot vote for someone I do not respect. Yes, John McCain voted against Martin Luther King Holiday, but I respect the man and could vote for him even if he is a republican. AL Gore is a Democrat and I personally do not like the sound of his voice and just looking at him and had to decide which was the lessers of the 2 evils and Al Gore barely won out.
I really mean this when I say this, most (maybe all) of the people that voted on this poll are white. At least 50% of you are doing really OK Financially and 25 % are probably not so well off but have backed this horse and plan to ride it to the finish line. I am even willing to bet that some of you have gone through hard times during the last 4 years and were even better off during CLinton but are still voting for Bush.
SO my un-official POLL is How many of the Bush supporters are Black and if they are Black do they make less than $50,000 a year (That is not poor, but it sure is not rich)
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billbisby
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posted October 10, 2004 07:39 AM
I'm sorry
for joining in a discussion of politics on a motorcycle board.. Great place to get your facts. Huh? Vote your heart is all I can say.. Just Vote!!!!
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posted October 10, 2004 10:19 AM
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for joining in a discussion of politics on a motorcycle board.. Great place to get your facts. Huh? Vote your heart is all I can say.. Just Vote!!!!
i disagree 100%
Voting your heart doesn't always mean your vote is correct...
(if Truman had voted with his heart, and not dropped the bombs, where would WW2 have gone?)
get the facts, weigh the differences between the platforms, and vote accordingly.
the only thing worse than not voting, is to vote with no clue.
Good: "I am voting for John Kerry because i feel his plan is the way to get ourselves where *I* think the country needs to be"
Bad: "I am voting for John Kerry because Bush sucks, i hate Bush"
Good: "I am voting for George Bush because of his decisive stand on fighting terrorism"
Bad: "I am voting for George Bush because Kerry is an idiot"
there IS a difference between informed and ignorant voting. if you cannot give a concise set of reasons WHY you are voting one way or the other, then you have no business voting. and if those reasons are just "terry mcauliffe said he lied, he flip-floped, he hid in the national gaurd, he can't speak in public and sounds like a moron, his running mate is a trial lawyer" and the like, then get back to the research...
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billbisby
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posted October 10, 2004 11:24 AM
Edited By: billbisby on 10 Oct 2004 12:25
for the war mongers.. Got an open mind??
http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
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deathpulse
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posted October 10, 2004 11:51 AM
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for the war mongers.. Got an open mind??
http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
Do you REALLY believe that nonsense?
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posted October 10, 2004 01:47 PM
Gppd Stuff Slug. Be careful, Andy Rooney almost said the same thing last week!!
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posted October 10, 2004 05:41 PM
Thanks for the basis of the rich white comments
i tend to disagree with the democrats because they RELY on baiting racism to keep the vote. they say the mnost horrid things that make it impossible to respect what they say concerning minorities. (like their stance on affirmative action)
But i have to wonder, why would a black person who is successful, and voted RNC, be mentally deficient?
I have worked minimum wage jobs, i have worked fast food, i have bagged groceries.
i spent 10+ years in navy, and learned some valuable lessons of life.
i ahve worked with a great diversity of people, many with different cultural ideals. i have worked with a variety of people, if keepings core based on skin colour is important to you.
some of the best working people i have dealt with were minority. and some of the worst too. the most racist person i ever worked with, was black...he would grind another black person to dust for an infraction that a white person would only get a slap on the wrist for. that man epitomized what was wrong in society, when skin colour was the #1 concern.
growing up where i did, i NEVER dealt with racism. i grew up in a very mixed area. the tidewater area of virginia is very diverse. my best friend growing up, wasn't white. sadly i've not heard from him since i moved away from there in 7th grade. our town was small, it was "quaint" and it was very close-knit.
the navy was a shock to the system. it was there that i was first introduced to the extremes of racial hatred. i saw both sides of it, and it was sad to think that the only thing some people care about is how dark your skin is.
it didn't matter how decently i treated one man, he was always a prick. just because i was white. eventually i just got numb to it, and stopped trying with him. Others, i got along with perfectly. good times, and bad. great experiences, and bad ones too.
but that's life....
don't get me wrong, i know that in the 60s and 70s there were MAJOR issues that needed addressed. and i know there are still things like that these days.
but i don't think the DNC's habits of baiting racial issues on the most petty things is the correct direction to take.
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posted October 10, 2004 06:59 PM
Edited By: GreenGlenn on 10 Oct 2004 20:02
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Social Security and Medicare are Democrat Programs that would not exist if left to Republicans. It is SImple, If you are rich, you do "NOT" need either!
You're BRAGGING about that?!?!?!?
Even if I were to get anything out of Social Security, it would be nowhere near as much as if the same amount of money was invested in even a mediochre mutual fund. I guess you never heard about that town in Texas that took all of its city workers off Social (in)Security and invested the same amount each month as their other involuntary "contributions". Joe Six Pack, after paying into the social security scheme his entire life had damn well better have a back up plan, other than living off the money from the government teat. The workers in Texas are going to be very well off indeed. I dont remember the numbers off the top of my head and Google is'nt co-operating.
And how about that social security "lock box" you hear people ranting about? Do you know that if you die this money just goes away? Don't you think that at the very least the money that is taken from your paychecks while you're alive should belong to your wife, husband or children when you die? And here's something else I'll bet you didn't know. In America black men have the lowest life expectancy, and white women live the longest. Social Security statistics show that the average black man loses $10,000 of his lifetime earnings to a white woman. Is there a problem here? The DEMOCRATS dont think so.
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Republicans are not for Welfare for poor people, but will bail out Chrysler (During Reagan's Time) Put tarriffs up so that Harley could force us to buy them or pay more than necessary for what we wanted (Again during Reagan's time saying that he was a "Free Market" President)
Hell, Im not for welfare for "poor people" either. Im for giving a hand to people who are in a TEMPORARY jam. Not a lifelong paycheck. Want more money, flip another burger.
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SO if you are Black and have the Brain power to either remember this (I lived throught it) or have studied and Know this, then why if your brain is still working, would you support this party!
Why indeed, would someone who has a working brain vote for either of the two pitiful choices that we are allowed to choose? If you truely have a brain, vote Libertarian. We like brains of all colors.
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I really mean this when I say this, most (maybe all) of the people that voted on this poll are white. At least 50% of you are doing really OK Financially and 25 % are probably not so well off but have backed this horse and plan to ride it to the finish line. I am even willing to bet that some of you have gone through hard times during the last 4 years and were even better off during CLinton but are still voting for Bush.
SO my un-official POLL is How many of the Bush supporters are Black and if they are Black do they make less than $50,000 a year (That is not poor, but it sure is not rich)
Hmm, I looked reeeeeeeal hard and I can't tell anyones color from here. But as Slug said, WTF does that have to do with anything?
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