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posted September 21, 2004 02:31 PM
How big is the fine for 205 MPH?
Associated Press
September 21, 2004 BIKER0922
WABASHA, Minn. -- With a State Patrol airplane overhead, a Stillwater motorcyclist hit the throttle and possibly set the informal record for the fastest speeding ticket in Minnesota history: 205 mph.
On Saturday afternoon, State Patrol pilot Al Loney was flying near Wabasha, in southeastern Minnesota on the Wisconsin border, watching two motorcyclists racing along U.S. Highway 61.
When one of the riders shot forward, Loney was ready with his stopwatch. He clicked it once when the motorcycle reached a white marker on the road and again a quarter-mile later. The watch read 4.39 seconds, which Loney calculated to be 205 mph.
''I was in total disbelief,'' Loney told the St. Paul Pioneer Press for today's editions. ''I had to double-check my watch because in 27 years I'd never seen anything move that fast.''
Several law enforcement sources told the newspaper that, although no official records are kept, it was probably the fastest ticket ever written in the state.
After about three-quarters of a mile, the biker slowed to about 100 mph and let the other cycle catch up. By then Loney had radioed ahead to another state trooper, who pulled the two over soon afterward.
The State Patrol officer arrested the faster rider, 20-year-old Stillwater resident Samuel Armstrong Tilley, for reckless driving, driving without a motorcycle license - and driving 140 miles per hour over the posted speed limit of 65 mph.
A search of speeding tickets written by state troopers, who patrol most of the state's highways, between 1990 and February 2004 shows the next fastest ticket was for 150 mph in 1994 in Lake of the Woods County.
Tilley did not return calls from the newspaper to his home Monday. A working number for him could not immediately be found by The Associated Press today.
Only a handful of exotic sports cars can reach 200 mph, but many high-performance motorcycles can top 175 mph. With minor modifications, they can hit 200 mph. Tilley was riding a Honda 1000, Loney said.
Kathy Swanson of the state Office of Traffic Safety said unless Tilley was wearing the kind of protective gear professional motorcycle racers wear, he was courting death at 200 mph.
''I'm not entirely sure what would happen if you crashed at 200 miles per hour,'' Swanson said. ''But it wouldn't be pretty, that's for sure.''
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Information from: St. Paul Pioneer Press, http:// www.twincities.com
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posted September 21, 2004 03:33 PM
Should be easy to beat by just showing proof of the speed limiter.Reasonable doubt
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posted September 21, 2004 03:53 PM
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posted September 21, 2004 04:36 PM
Isn't reasonable doubt only for murder trials???
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posted September 21, 2004 05:37 PM
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Tilley was riding a Honda 1000
Excellent story, but, damn, if they did figure out a way to bypass the speed limiter, could it really do 205? Hell, even the 12R needs something like 190hp doesn't it?
....bah, it's still an interesting story~!
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posted September 21, 2004 06:19 PM
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...but many high-performance motorcycles can top 175 mph. With minor modifications, they can hit 200 mph
most bikes just need minor modifications? riiiight...
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posted September 21, 2004 06:26 PM
The numbers given by the officer can not be exact enough to determine speeds of the magnitude suggested.
A total timing error of 9 percent, which is less than .4 seconds will make the speed indicated 188mph.
A .4 second error divided by the 2 times the officer pressed the stop watch button equals .200, a hard to believe reaction time! (drag racers can only hope to achieve consistant .400 reaction times, and this officer is twice that fast at .200)
Further compounding this type of timing is the issue of parallax which is directly related to the airplanes perfectly controlled elevation in relatin to the ground along with a perfectly matched speed to be accurate to the tolerances neccessary for this kind of measurement.
The rider needs a physics major to present the hard truth of measurement via aircraft.
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posted September 21, 2004 06:36 PM
BUT THINK OF THE BRAGGING RIGHTS!! 
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posted September 22, 2004 04:46 AM
he was riding a Blackbird-XX...
Everyone knows they can't break 180mph without MAJOR mods....
I cry BULLSHIT....over exuberant cops once again....
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posted September 22, 2004 09:29 AM
What about the 1000RR?
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posted September 22, 2004 09:43 AM
one word: aerodynamics
i threw the BS flag as well on the yzf boards, same reasons...
a 'slightly modded' 12/haybus won't do 200...
standard BS news reporting,w ith no earthly clue of the realities of the actual physical world....
 
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posted September 22, 2004 09:48 AM
 Edited By: CrotchRocket on 22 Sep 2004 10:49
Obviously were only getting half the story!!!...I heard it was a CBR1000...
Which ever bike it was, there is alot of DOUBT...There will be alot of DOUBT in that court room when its time to adjudicate that ticket!!!
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posted September 22, 2004 10:02 AM
So, even if he has a hell of an error rate doesn't that still put him doing like 150???
Attack the measurement but still, urm, he's in a world of shit.
I don't see how you can take any error measurement and discussion of physics and calculate his speed down to 65 mph.
Slug? Beaney? Can ya? If so, you might wish to offer your services to homey for mega bucks!!!
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posted September 22, 2004 12:24 PM
i'm afraid the only principle of physics that will save his ass in court is the ihavepicsofthejudgewithhissecretary principle that states XXXmph=65mph
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posted September 22, 2004 12:29 PM
 Yup - I'm down with that!
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posted September 23, 2004 02:04 AM
what ever works for him.....
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posted September 23, 2004 04:15 AM
Gives Beans something to shoot for!
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posted September 23, 2004 04:23 AM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0922042speed1.html
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posted September 23, 2004 07:40 AM
This made NPR yesterday.
Nice job, asshole. Gonna fuck it up for everybody. 
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posted September 24, 2004 07:26 AM
I'll bet Dan Rather is somehow behind this .
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posted September 24, 2004 08:27 AM
Commie bastard!
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posted September 24, 2004 11:02 AM
The guy who was arrested posted this on another site:
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"All right, I was the one who got the ticket and it is time to clear some things up. For one, I was riding a 2003 Honda RC51, "heavily modified" with 2 Brothers slip on pipes and, well thats all the mods I have unless you count the "I stop for wh***s" sticker.
Next, the bike wasn't impounded, it was towed so it wouldn't be in the roadway. Ok, on to the tickets. 205...uh no. I am personal friends with the owner of "Hitman Motorsports" and tonight, Sept. 22, we did a top speed run on his dyno, in 6th gear, and maxed nearly 60mph slower than I was arrested for. The "no motorcycle endorsement" is because my licence was expired, I do have a motorcycle endoresement for all you people digging into me about that.
The stop watch method may be accurate at times, but this is un-conceivable for my motorcycle to approach 205. Honda's RC211v, which is Honda's MotoGP race bike, 5 cyclinders and 268 horespower, just broke 200mph on the track within the last week. And we are talking about a 1/2 to 3/4 million dollar bike. And for you gear-heads, I had on Joe Rocket Boots, Shoei helmet, Leather gloves, Ballistic coat, and leather bottoms.
Also, both of us were arrested, and no, the slower one did not get a warning, he was ticketed for 111mph on a F4i. I hope this clears things up for everybody, I am just sick of everyone saying things about what they dont know, making me look like this horrific person. People speed, and if anyone knows anything about the "Flood Run" (which was the ride I was on, which by the way benefits the Gillettes Children Fund) I would be a hell of a lot more concerned about the 7,000 bar-hopping motorcyclist out on the road. 99% of the people you hear things from are misinformed.
If you have questions, I will answer them. And one last note, this is information you don't know, the pilot who clocked me, was clocking me, the F4i, and flying his plane at 110mph all at the same time. Think about that for a second.
TO answer some questions this happened about 5-6 miles south of Wabasha on 61 heading towards Winona. I haven't talked to the flood run organizers, however the officers did say they were there because they knew the event was taking place and they have had a history of "excessive speeders" on the last stretch down to Winona.
And while we were on the side of the road, I would estimate 200-300 bikers passed us, but no one pulled over. And in response to Merlin509, there are some decent steches on that road, but even if my bike did do 205, I personally wouldn't feel comfortable. And the stretch down to Treasure Island you are talking about, one of my old roomates was killed on that road earlier this year.
And on the subject of this stopwatch calculation, you have to sit back and think, and believe me I have done a lot of this, about human reaction time, the fact that he was running two stop watches and flying his plane at the same time, his degree of angle on my when I crossed the hash-marks on the road, plus depth-perseption. I really do appreciate everyones feedback on this, and I will keep everyone informed."
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posted September 24, 2004 11:33 AM
Heh. He might get off a little bit, but there isn't any way he'll get that down to a slap on the wrist.
Yeah - he has some very good points, but even still. He's in it now.
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posted September 24, 2004 12:01 PM
that may be the only action his wrist gets for a while...well twisting anyway
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posted September 27, 2004 10:52 AM
Mainstream Media:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040927/ap_on_fe_st/205_mph_ticket
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