zx12mark
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posted May 13, 2004 09:05 PM
muzzy clutch kit, how wet will it get
who has taken their muzzy plates back out after they were in the complete muzzy system and checked for oiling on plates. did oil drip off fibers and steels. how many miles before you looked. thanks
   
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cowboy
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posted May 13, 2004 09:07 PM
Oil don't drip off the plates thats for sure.It just gives the clutch that little bit more of a mist.
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zx12mark
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posted May 13, 2004 09:13 PM
what about you pro drag racer's
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dougmeyer
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posted May 14, 2004 09:55 AM
Oil should never "drip off the plates". Four years of pretty much trouble free experience has shown that we've go it just about right.
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ninja12
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posted May 14, 2004 12:11 PM
 Edited By: ninja12 on 14 May 2004 13:16
Help, i've got a problem.
00 zx12 with 6" arm geared 17-50.
billet basket , muzzy clutch mod, 6 heavy springs and the puller shaved
still blueing steels every 1 or 2 trip to the track.
track day is usually 6-7 passes over 4 hours. Bike pulls 1.46 to 1.49
with new clutches. I don't hot lap!
I have a stack of clutches the height of a small child. Steels cleaned with brake cleaner and fibers soaked at least one hour.
What else can i do?
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dougmeyer
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posted May 14, 2004 02:30 PM
Edited By: dougmeyer on 14 May 2004 15:49
So you're saying you get 12-14 passes on a "set" of steels? You need to learn to slip the clutch less. Having said that, let me suggest you try something akin to the way we treat the clutch on Rickey's shootout bike. I'll tell you what I do and you can judge how often you need to do it or something like it.
(And yes I know "it has a lockup" but you must remember, that doesn't have anything to do with launching. Rickey just slips that clutch perfectly).
After EVERY RUN I pull the clutch. I look at each plate and only change the ones that really need it. To me, that means fibers that are "wiped" sideways without sharp edges, and steels that have more than 30% deep blue, almost black spots. I usually end up changing around 3 steels and 2 fibers per run.
The point is don't wait until all the plates are shot. Bad ones cause more heat and make more bad ones. Work out a progressive maintenance schedule and see if that does not help. Even given your present technique, you may be able to go alot further.
As far as preparation goes, take your spare steels, clean the cosmoline off of them with contact cleaner or acetone. Take your spare fibers and simply wipe some oil on them with your fingers (NO need to "soak" them or have them dripping) and stack them with the steels in a ziplock bag. Just pull them out as you need them.
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ninja12
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posted May 14, 2004 08:00 PM
Edited By: ninja12 on 15 May 2004 06:57
i did say set, but usually it's not the entire set. Some blue, some hot spoted, some are good. I'm a Test-N-Tune junkie, so pulling the clutch between runs is a little much for ME at the track. I pull it on the weekend and replace the steels when i have new, otherwise i sand and wash the best set i can pull from the pile. reused never last as long, nor leave as hard. No real problem with fibers
You say Ricky blues 3 steels per pass, that's less than 5 passes a set. WOW
I'm almost burning clutches like a pro.
Thanks Doug
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posted May 15, 2004 07:46 AM
Edited By: zx12girl on 15 May 2004 08:47
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still blueing steels every 1 or 2 trip to the track.
Welcome to the ZX12R dragracing world!!! I (well Kzz1) replace the clutch (bad pcs) every other trip to the track!!! We have estimated the average "Clutch" expense to be about $75 every trip.
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wannabe
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posted May 15, 2004 11:05 AM
I've gone over a season (100+ passes) without replacing any clutch parts. You guys are making me feel really good about my decision to go with the wheelie bars and slick. 
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ninja12
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posted May 15, 2004 01:39 PM
"Clutch" expense to be about $75 every trip.
yeap that sounds about right.
Are you just beating up the steels or fiber damage also. I still don't get much oil to the clutches.
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kzz1
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posted May 15, 2004 02:00 PM
Edited By: kzz1 on 15 May 2004 15:00
Mostly blued steel replacement for us...
"little oil in the clutches"....Yeap, same here!!!
ZX12Girl
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kzz1
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posted May 15, 2004 02:02 PM
Edited By: kzz1 on 15 May 2004 15:02
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I've gone over a season (100+ passes) without replacing any clutch parts. You guys are making me feel really good about my decision to go with the wheelie bars and slick.
That would be the way to go....but I can't run that in the streetbike class.
ZX12Girl
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deathpulse
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posted May 15, 2004 05:06 PM
Is there any way that you can put a Muzzy Basket and Clutch kit in and not adjust it right, so that the clutch wears faster than it should? I'm worried... I put mine in about 1000 miles ago and it seems sooo smooth, almost like it slipping a bit.
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posted May 17, 2004 06:00 AM
Comeon Girl, I told you what my set up is and get 125 passes on it!!!...Do it...Do it...  stop resisting...
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posted May 17, 2004 10:01 AM
tell us again!
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EastBayDave
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posted May 17, 2004 02:48 PM
Doug Said:clean the cosmoline off of them with contact cleaner or acetone.
"Cosmoline?" Never heard of that.....what is it?
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posted May 17, 2004 02:55 PM
packing material.
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posted May 17, 2004 05:22 PM
Edited By: zx12girl on 17 May 2004 18:25
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Comeon Girl, I told you what my set up is and get 125 passes on it!!!...Do it...Do it... stop resisting...
I had that kind of clutch life back in my "stock" days!!!! I do have your set-up this year, I have been dumping the clutch and throttle'n out of the hole as well....guess what....still the wonderful smell of burnt clutch (not as bad)!! I think that I may get 30 passes now...Whoopdeedo!!
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posted May 21, 2004 05:02 PM
(Cosmoline?" Never heard of that.....what is it)
protective coating to prevent corrosion
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posted May 22, 2004 05:37 AM
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(Cosmoline?" Never heard of that.....what is it)
protective coating to prevent corrosion
chit I just soaked them in motor oil & threw them in...oops. Seems to work ok...?
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posted May 22, 2004 05:38 AM
Edited By: EastBayDave on 22 May 2004 06:39
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dougmeyer
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posted May 22, 2004 08:47 AM
Goes to show you. Not as big a deal as everyone makes out.
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posted May 31, 2008 05:55 PM
ok hey guys where can i get the metal plates from i cant seen to find them on muzzys site just stand alone any help thanks
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