DaveInDaytona
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posted January 12, 2002 10:26 PM
These photos and story were sent to me today
This happened in Pensacola, and yes, it was a bike.
Bike:
Car it hit:
News Story:
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/011202/Local/ST003.shtml
Ride Safe,
Dave
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ZX12Girl
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posted January 12, 2002 10:31 PM
WOW!!!!!That suck's!!!!
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Ninjaman12R
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posted January 12, 2002 10:43 PM
Bummer.....
Man that is sad. 
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posted January 13, 2002 12:59 AM
Re: Accident...
He was speeding, but she turned left in front of him.
Drive defensively everyone! -ZXtra
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MadMike
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posted January 13, 2002 07:42 AM
Wow, that bike is Toast! man that sucks!!
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marlon1
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posted January 13, 2002 11:02 AM
 Edited By: marlon1 on 13 Jan 2002 11:03
I hate to say it but it is the bikers fault; at that speed in a residential area is pure death and it a f**king shame it has to happen to anyone. We have all done it and hope we learn from this young mans mistake..And when you ride never think it's going to be there fault, you always have to be on the alert..
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posted January 13, 2002 11:16 AM
That's awful. He must've been at serious speed to do that much damage to a late-70s sled like that. This is half the reason I love dragracing. I have little desire to go fast on the street anymore, too many uncontrolled variables. Someone can always pull out in front of me and ruin my day though, even if I'm not going 120.
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posted January 13, 2002 11:41 AM
This is a shame
quote by marlon 1 - I hate to say it but it is the bikers fault; at that speed in a residential area is pure death and it a f**king shame it has to happen to anyone. We have all done it and hope we learn from this young mans mistake..And when you ride never think it's going to be there fault, you always have to be on the alert.. quote
I don't condone this guy riding like this but I have gone pretty fast through town on ocasion.It was her fault as she turned in front of him.I have had this happen to me when I was 15 years old(she turned in front of me and stopped in my lane).I'm lucky I'm not with the worms too.I ride like I'm invisible and that whatever can happen will ,and be ready to deal with it.
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posted January 13, 2002 04:04 PM
Actually...
It is just as much the riders fault because he was obviously going several times the speed limit and it makes it very difficult to judge the speed and closure rate of a vehicle moving that fast. Most cagers aren't used to(and don't have the ability) making decisions regarding another vehicle moving at that rate of speed. Just remember, it doesn't have to be your fault out there, it doesn't have to have anything to do with how well you ride. Your life may very well be in the hands of some idiot behind the wheel and excessive speeding in and around traffic is just that much more irresponsible on your part. Sorry, I was a paramedic for 8 years. I've seen my share of accidents where riders were killed instantly. Yes I ride my 12 fast and like to ride wheelies but at least I do it away from others when doing so.
FYI The record for someone signing on the bottom line for a new bike to being pronounced DOA was 13 minutes! These bikes will kill you very quickly and uncerimoniously if you don't respect them. Not very smart, not very cool, but very, very dead! Just sharing my experiences.
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DaveInDaytona
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posted January 13, 2002 04:21 PM
I thought this would stir up a few opinions but more important to just have another reminder that things can change in a really bad way really fast.
Here's my take for whatever it's worth, and that's probably not much. Car driver's fault for turning, maybe, rider's fault for speeding, maybe. It is very hard for some people to judge an approaching vehicle's speed, especially a bike, and more so when it going 2-3x the posted limit, be aware of that and expect that they can't tell. The best advice I would give is use your head and don't give someone the opportunity to take you out, because when you hit it's not going to make a difference to you who's fault it was when they're rinsing you off the road.
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marlon1
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posted January 13, 2002 08:35 PM
Edited By: marlon1 on 13 Jan 2002 20:39
I ride like all potential accidents are my fault. That is the attitude you need when confronting the enemy, it has saved my ass a couple of times, thats a couple to many that could have screwed me up. Next time your out in your car watch bikers ride by you when your stopped at a red light or at a stop sign they are looking straight ahead not even paying attention to there environment. Going down a residential street 80 mph (and I have done it) I don't care what pulls out in front of you thats your fault and your a fool if you think otherwise.....
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posted January 14, 2002 04:15 AM
Humm 85 in a 35, residential street? Idiot
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posted January 14, 2002 07:18 AM
I Agree With Dave & Otis...
I doesn't much matter whose at fault if you end up like a vegetable or dead. Use your head and drive like everybody is out to kill you, even other bikers. I lost a good friend a couple of summers ago. He was test driving a bike when a car pulled out in front of him. Ironically he was in Florida too. Speeding through residential areas or through town is an accident waiting to happen. Pick the places you do high speed runs and other antics wisely, otherwise you become a statistic and the topic of discussion.
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posted January 14, 2002 08:29 AM
Two and a half times the speed limit... Hmmmm. No one is expecting to have to deal with speeds like that. I don't see how this is the cars fault. Had the bike been going anywhere near the speed limit I would say differently but that is out there two much. Stupid. Stupid. I feel for his family.
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posted January 14, 2002 11:33 AM
Late seventys?
Ah Dean you said it was a late seventys bike?Really did they make Kaw's with aluminum frames then? I know there's not much left but it looks to me like it could be a new 600.Maybe I'm missing something.Doesnt really matter the poor guy is still dead.
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posted January 14, 2002 12:18 PM
Sled = Car
Ride = Bike
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Ninjaman12R
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posted January 14, 2002 02:04 PM
Damn.......
Everytime I look at this thread I just can't believe at the damage the bike did to the car it hit. He had to have been rolling pretty hot. 85mph may be a bit of a conservative estimate. But it doesn't really matter, the end result is the same.
Let the record show that I too feel the biker was at fault. He was just going too damned fast. The person in the cage probably didn't expect him to close in on her so fast, or maybe never even saw him. Hell she's lucky she's alive from the looks of the vehicle.
It's tragic to see this kinda stuff happen. But it does,..........everyday somebody loses a loved one to incidents like this. Sad,...but true. We are all "Dust in the Wind". Ride as safe as you can fellas. I know a lot of you personally from the events and stuff, and I don't want to have to break out one of my suits and have to say a "Final" goodbye to any of you. That's as straight as I can put it to you guys (and gals).
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posted January 14, 2002 05:24 PM
This actually happened to me in '78. Silver Ford LTD turned left in front of my DT250 Yam. Musta been doing 40 on impact after jamming the brakes. Caught him behind the rear wheel and imbedded my bike in the side of the trunk and ended up wedged upright under the bumper. I got royally launched over the top. Scraped the hell outta my shins going over the bars. Bruised up pretty good on the landing but no broken bones. Hurt for a month. I was very lucky. Only clash I've ever had with a cage. Guy actually said "I saw you but I thought I had time." Jerk even tried to get me to cover his damage. Ha! With his license suspended for reckless driving, NOT! Asshole.
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posted January 14, 2002 05:28 PM
quote:
This actually happened to me in '78. Silver Ford LTD turned left in front of my DT250 Yam. Musta been doing 40 on impact after jamming the brakes. Caught him behind the rear wheel and imbedded my bike in the side of the trunk and ended up wedged upright under the bumper. I got royally launched over the top. Scraped the hell outta my shins going over the bars. Bruised up pretty good on the landing but no broken bones. Hurt for a month. I was very lucky. Only clash I've ever had with a cage. Guy actually said "I saw you but I thought I had time." Jerk even tried to get me to cover his damage. Ha! With his license suspended for reckless driving, NOT! Asshole.
Edit: BTW this was my very first bike other than the Z-50 Mini Trail. Call it beginners luck(or lack thereof).
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posted February 24, 2002 05:16 AM
the biker had the right of way at any speed, I guess we would be reading a different story had it ben a fire truck! asshole drivers used to give bikers a little extra room for safty now were a easy in cause we have to stop { if we can } I blame the whole thing on tougher assault charges no one fears retalitory actions. if I bitch slap one more asshole I'll do serious time & it seems like everyone knows it!on the other hand its our job to expect the unexpected. I stop all the time if I dont get a face to face & sit there till I do. like said earlier in this thread your invisable & when you forget that youll be nonexsistant!
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posted February 24, 2002 05:41 AM
Nobody deserves to die, but you do have to ride like you have half a brain. 2-1/2 times the speed limit in a residential area? Anyone else wanna know why they are putting speed restrictions on bikes?????
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posted February 24, 2002 09:13 AM
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That's awful. He must've been at serious speed to do that much damage to a late-70s sled like that. This is half the reason I love dragracing. I have little desire to go fast on the street anymore, too many uncontrolled variables. Someone can always pull out in front of me and ruin my day though, even if I'm not going 120.
Dean
God knows I've done some crazy shit on a bike and gotten away with it all with a few aches and pains as i get older but I agree 100% with ZRXDean.If you still want the speed rush and want to limit your chances of getting hurt or hurting someone else"take it to the track".Its time to stop measuring the size of your balls and start measuring your skills.Or something like that.
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posted February 24, 2002 08:51 PM
Accident
dittos on most of the above
the pixs are worth a thousand worsd themselves...
keeps it in perspective.... as my saying goes.....
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posted February 26, 2002 09:00 PM
speed of approach
having been victim (almost) of being the impacted vehicle i can tell you its no fun
turning left (doesnt it aways happen that way) in front of a semi who was quarter mile away seemed safe, but i was on gas pretty good anyway for fun's sake
as i clear 2nd gear (50 or so) i realize that said semi was doing WELL in excess of the 55mph speedlimit so i floor it.
(not fun anymore)
at 80mph i finally start pulling away, but he was braking hard too...(and cussing that "stupid four-wheeler" im sure)
lesson learned: look twice, 2 distinct times, so you have idea of speed. even tho i was nowhere close to "cutting him off" distance-wise, i DID since he was putting some serious hurtin on the gas pedal...
situations vary, but results are limited. i got lucky; his brakes and my decent engine with good power saved the day. no totalled s10 for sale by insurance company, no broke me in hospital.
as far as fault goes, turning into a right-of-way is always dangerous, but the risk goes up as the good sense used goes down. on either side.....
 
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