zx12haitian
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posted April 16, 2004 09:52 PM
hindle or muzzy
i was going to get a new exhaust and i have had my full muzzy for sometime but i was thinking about going to a hindle. What do you think?
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Megabyte
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posted April 16, 2004 10:11 PM
quote:
i was going to get a new exhaust and i have had my full muzzy for sometime but i was thinking about going to a hindle. What do you think?
I don't know, but I would contribute money towards a side by side same day, same bike dyno comparison of the major pipes....
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zzzzzxxxxxr12
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posted April 16, 2004 10:43 PM
Although those seem to be the popular brands, You might want to check out Arrow's Race Tech. Attack racing is using them on the zx10r. About the same price. Just put em on mine, sound great, no noticeable btm stumble without a PC, great mid power.
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EastBayDave
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posted April 17, 2004 06:00 AM
Akro or Muzzy, the only way to go...
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canadamaxxer
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posted April 17, 2004 06:05 AM
The Hindle has fantastic value for the money, and from what I've seen, makes among the best power (It's also super light as well). The only way we'll ever know is to do the Pepsi challenge. I made my choice and bought a Hindle with a Ti can. I am assembling the engine this morning and then will be putting the pipe on right after that. I will be posting dyno #'s after.
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cowboy
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posted April 17, 2004 07:21 AM
Step Hindle with ti can!!!!
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BA
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posted April 17, 2004 02:05 PM
For what it's worth, I did do a same day, same dyno comparison between the stainless Muzzy and the Step Hindle from Brock Davidson.
I believe the Brock pipe is slightly different than the 'non-brock' step-Hindle.
Brocks pipe, on my '00 1199cc bike, was a few hp better than the Muzzy.
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zzzzzxxxxxr12
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posted April 17, 2004 02:27 PM
BA, where was the xtra hp, on top? Isn't the curve different, his being designed more for drag racing?
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CrotchRocket
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posted April 17, 2004 03:10 PM
I have an Akrapovic and love it...
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VincentHill
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posted April 17, 2004 03:33 PM
 Edited By: VincentHill on 17 Apr 2004 16:43
I Had an Akrapovic with a CF Muffler and "Loved" it also. Then I got a Step Hindle and "Tested" them on the Same bike and Dyno. Yes, I know, I did not do this at the same time and conditions! What I have to say about this is, I spent 18 months (From September 2000 to May 2002) with the Akrapovic making maps and putting it on the Dyno I started out with 152.7 HP and after everything I could do, I was "Extremely Pleased" to get 167.3 HP out of it. Almost 15 HP More. How could it get any better than this! I had a beautiful Pipe with Beautiful welds and it sounded great.
I bought the Step Hindle May 2002 and before I put it on the bike I used a sound meter to see how loud the Akra was. I tested it at Idle, 3,000 and 6,000 RPM I Taped the meter to a yard stick and at 18 inches on a 45 degree angle, the Akra was "2" Db's louder at 6,000 and almost 4 Db's louder at Idle and 3,000 rpms.
I mounted the Hindle and put it on the Dyno using the Best Akra map I had. It made 168 7 HP. I got a "Real" Map made for the pipe and then made 174 and with a small amount of tuning, left there with 177 HP. Almost 10 HP More than the Akra. Please do not tell me That in the 18 months on the Same Dyno and operator that at least "1" Time in 27 runs that I did not have the best possible conditions, or that I just lucked out the 1st and second time with the Hindle! Since then, with a lot less Dyno time, I have gained 10 more HP with the addition of the BMC Race filters, Bear Stacks and better fuel.
So I say to CrotchRocket, "Whats Love got to do with it"??  It is PERFORMANCE, Performance - performance!! To East Bay Dave, by stating that "It can only be Akra or Muzzy"are you saying that TiForce, Hindle, Yosh and ARATA are no where as good as "Either" of them? Also, he did not ask about Akra, he asked about Hindle, so please let us know about your personal knowledge of why the Muzzy is better than the Hindle you have had? I have never said anything personal against the Muzzy except "I have not seen anyone go from a Muzzy to a Step Hindle and make LESS HP"! Got to love America!
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1bad12r
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posted April 17, 2004 05:39 PM
I've got a Hindle and love it !
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Michael Lee
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posted April 17, 2004 06:23 PM
Since UR asking "MUZ" if it were my $$$
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BA
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posted April 17, 2004 06:24 PM
it was basically the same below 8000, on my bike, with the gain from there on up.
Wish I had some good track times or mph differences for you but I don't!!
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CrotchRocket
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posted April 17, 2004 07:00 PM
I hear ya Vince...I cant say anything because I never put the 2002 with the Akrapovic on the dyno...The fit, finish, quality, and idle blew the Muzzy away thats why I love it...
The Ti Force is similar to the Akra in the fit, finish and quality...
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morrisjl2
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posted April 17, 2004 07:12 PM
Cannot help you out however I am about to purchase an Akra because I do not have the money for a PCIIIR at this time. Do not need a pc for the akra full exhaust.
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BA
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posted April 17, 2004 08:14 PM
anyone care to take that?
Anyone?
Anyone?
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VincentHill
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posted April 18, 2004 06:02 AM
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I hear ya Vince...I cant say anything because I never put the 2002 with the Akrapovic on the dyno...The fit, finish, quality, and idle blew the Muzzy away thats why I love it...
The Ti Force is similar to the Akra in the fit, finish and quality...
The Akra makes the Step Hindle look very "Industrial" as opposed to Jeweler precision. Trust me on this one, I actually did "Not" want the Hindle to do better and if it had not done better than the 1st 168, I would have kept the Akra, just for the Beauty alone. Personally, I think the welding on the Muzzy is Better looking than the Hindle. I also think the Muzzy makes its HP more at the cost of Noise suppression than the Hindle.
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DaveInDaytona
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posted April 18, 2004 07:20 AM
Muzzys. Buy the quiet baffle if you're worried about the noise, but to me there is no noise issue if you have a properly packed pipe.
If you have any questions about the pipe or any issue with the bike they're right here to help. That kind of support makes all the difference to me.
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canadamaxxer
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posted April 18, 2004 01:40 PM
I just installed my Hindle this morning. It fit very well and sounds great (to me, anyways). The new 1270 sounds "big" (for lack of a better word). Can't wait to eventually hear this beast as a 1375 ....Heh heh heh heh heh. To clarify about the longer bolt and the spacers Vince Hill was talking about in another topic: The bottom of the radiator wanted to hit the headpipe on #2 or 3 cylinder. Rather than use some spacers and a longer bolt, I built a new bracket that swings the bottom of the rad ahead by about 1/2". It clears nicely and I don't see any plastic issues, either.
If installed a pipe on a naked bike, I might be concerned about the aesthetic quality of the welds, etc, but on this bike with all of the fairings, there isn't much to see.
I was baffled to see the cost difference between the Hindle and the Arko.....nearly double the cost for the Akro (depending on the vendor). I could have gotten a Muzzy for cheap, but chose the Hindle simply because from what I've seen, the real power is made with the Hindle. Just MHO....
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zzzzzxxxxxr12
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posted April 18, 2004 03:39 PM
Hey Maxxer, can you give me the measurements you used for your radiator bracket?
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canadamaxxer
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posted April 18, 2004 03:43 PM
It's easier said than done (LOL!).....I built it by eye. I will head out to the bike and take a look and see what measurements I can get for you.
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zzzzzxxxxxr12
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posted April 18, 2004 03:53 PM
Pretty tough with the fairing on, lol. I do understand the "built by eye" thing.
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canadamaxxer
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posted April 18, 2004 04:04 PM
OK, here are some dimensions....
The material size (rough): 1" x 1/8" x 7" long
total length from the engine block surface to the desired mounting location hole (for mine anyways): 5"
A 90 degree bend is put in the 1" bar stock (for mounting to the engine)..... However, this is at 15 degrees off of perpendicular to the length of the material. This allows for the drop needed to get to the mounting tab on the radiator.
A dogleg is bent into the material to offset the location of the long side of the bar stock. I offset by about 1/2" away from the pipes.
I lined up the desired hole location and marked the spot (at 5" away from the mounting boss on the engine case). I drilled two 1/4" holes, one in the centre of the short side of the 90 degree bend (to mount to the block), and the other centred on the far end of the long side of the bar (the 5" spec again). I used the original bolt and spacer and installed a 6mm nut on the far side.
If this is too confusing, I have some pics of the piece on the bike and will take the bracket back off if needed to get some better pics. Just let me know.
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canadamaxxer
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posted April 18, 2004 04:05 PM
Lucky for me I don't have the fairings on yet!! (LOL)
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ZXLNT
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posted April 18, 2004 04:09 PM
Yeah take some pics I can host them if you need... Sitting here playing with my imagestation account as it is anyway...
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