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posted January 08, 2004 10:28 AM
AMA Outraged Over Mandatory Motorcyclist Organ Donor Bill
This is insane, even for California:
G04002
January 7, 2004
For Immediate Release
Contact: Bill Kresnak
Phone: (614) 856-1900
AMA OUTRAGED OVER MANDATORY MOTORCYCLIST ORGAN-DONOR BILL
The American Motorcyclist Association has expressed its outrage over a proposed law in California that could force some motorcyclists to be organ donors against their wishes.
The proposal is an amendment to Assembly Bill 1200. The original proposal would allow adults 18 and older to decide whether to wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle. The amended version states that those who chose not to wear a helmet "is deemed to have consented to the making of an anatomical gift under this act."
AMA Western States Representative Nick Haris said that while the AMA supported the bill in its original form, it can't support the measure with the new amendment.
"Riders who wish to donate their organs should be under no undue pressure to do so," Haris said. "This provision makes a mockery of the spirit and kindness of voluntary organ donation."
Assemblyman John Longville (D-San Bernardino) amended the bill to require motorcyclists who wish to ride without a helmet to be organ donors. To express your opposition to the amendment, go to the California section of StateWatch at the Rapid Response Center at www.AMADirectlink.com to send an e-mail. Or you can send a letter to: Assemblyman John Longville, State Capitol, P.O. Box 942849, Sacramento, CA 94249-0062.
A New Mexico lawmaker introduced similar legislation last year and quickly withdrew the proposal after the AMA mustered opposition to the bill from motorcyclists around the nation.
The American Motorcyclist Association is a non-profit organization with more than 260,000 members. Established in 1924, the Association's purpose is to pursue, protect and promote the interests of motorcyclists, while serving the needs of its members. For more information, visit the AMA website at www.AMADirectlink.com. For the latest news releases, visit the AMA News Room at http://home.ama-cycle.org/newsroom
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posted January 08, 2004 11:11 AM
You said it! Even by CA standards it's insane! Already sent my letter in. San Berdo (Bernardino) is our neck of the woods. This guy needs a face to face with real motorcyclist, and I'm sure he's going to get one....
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posted January 08, 2004 01:23 PM
Since 60% of call automobile deaths are "Head Injuries" why not pass the same bill for cars drivers that do not wear Helmets! Same thing??
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posted January 08, 2004 01:31 PM
Some of those california girls look pretty good. I'd happily donate my "organ" to them! 
As far as the rest of my organs they're pretty well fucked!
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posted January 08, 2004 06:08 PM
Why wouldn't anyone want to donate their organs anyway? You sure as fuck don't need em when you are dead now do you? Leave the helmet at home and save a life! If you let em have the mandatory seat belt law didn't you think they would come for your parts soon enough?
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posted January 09, 2004 07:04 AM
i am an organ donar, but I will alway wear my helmet....never the less this i sludicris to propose such a thing. this guy needs to be an organ donar while he is still alive.....and start with that things he calls a brain...
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posted January 09, 2004 08:05 AM
I've never figured out why organ donation is a choice left up to us anyway if some poor unfortunate person needs something i have to save his/her life then have at it i sure won't need it when i'm gone, just think if a family member or your child needs help (sort of gives a different perspective on the topic don't it )
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posted January 09, 2004 08:31 AM
Heck yea it does and people die every day without organs that just get put in a box or burned up. It seems kind of ridiculous when you think about it.
Especially people who die from stupid shit seems like the least the family could do is have something good come of it. It is an emotionally charged issue for most. People get worked up.
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posted January 09, 2004 08:41 AM
In a perfect world, Fearless and ZXfingy, there is no problem with what you say, but since we are humans, there is no prefect world! First, we still have the freedom of religion in the USA. There are some religions that would not allow this just like some refuse Blood Transfusion! (BTW, none of these people got aids did they!). But that is not the main problem as I see it! The problem is, cutting your life short or out all together! Sometimes when you are listed as an organ donor, they do not give you the very best care or chance to live! The start to remove organs before you die and every option has been given! I know that my buddy Otis will not want to hear this, but it seems that Poor people and minority are usually the ones that end up on the short end of the stick! There have been several cases of abuse by surgeons documented where they removed organs prematurely!
If I was not a minority and I was rich, I would not worry! But since I am neither, do not put me down for donation!
Second, discrimination is discrimination no matter what form it takes! Any time you allow it for one segment of the population, it will not be long before it creeps to another and then another! Right now, in China, the people in prisions have forced Organ donation of Kidneys and a few other organs! After all, they are criminals (right) and since they have harmed society, they should be required to repay! Of course in China, speaking against the government is a prision offense, so how do you feel now about your attitudes?
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posted January 09, 2004 12:14 PM
I agree this is no perfect world . But if there never was such a thing as the so called "organ donor" there would be no shortage of organs.Therefore doctors would not have to cut peoples lives short with insufficient care. As far as the problem in China thats way to harsh but i also think some American people take the freedom of speech thing a little to far especially when referring to the person we elected to run our country.
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posted January 09, 2004 01:08 PM
In Iraq, no one was allowed to say anything against the "Person they elected to run their country"! Also notice he carried the election with a 100% vote! Please remember, the second you put a restriction on anything, anyone says, you no longer have free speech! After all, I was around when Lenny Bruce was jailed for being Obscene in the 60's for saying things we all can say right now on this board or in public! Now the Govenor has pardon his conviction 30 years after his death!
The problems with rules is who makes them! Look at the Helmet rule! It is usually made by people that have never ridden a motorcycle and are terrified to even sit on one! So who is to make the rules on what we can say about your president? You? Me? Remember, I live in the District of Columbia! We have no voting rights and have no representation in Congress! So in my case, I have "Taxation without Representation" Which is against the Constitution of the United States! Do you have a problem with me being ilegally being taxed?? I do! So since my vote really does not count, I can say Your President because he is not mine and except advocate his death (Which is limited by law), I can and will say anything I want for or against him, thank you! (BTW, you still can also. This is still almost a free country)
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posted January 09, 2004 01:51 PM
As far as the helmet law that should be ones own choice so should the seatbelt law because anyone who will ride a bike without a helmet i feel are selfish, i have a son and a wonderful wife and theres no way i'll ride without one.I seen a guy in Myrtle Beach SC loose his balance while coming to a stop fall over hit his head on the curb and lost his life its that easy!So if your willing to go 75 mph on the hwy with no helmet you'll need more than luck.
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posted January 09, 2004 02:49 PM
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As far as the helmet law that should be ones own choice so should the seatbelt law because anyone who will ride a bike without a helmet i feel are selfish, i have a son and a wonderful wife and theres no way i'll ride without one.I seen a guy in Myrtle Beach SC loose his balance while coming to a stop fall over hit his head on the curb and lost his life its that easy!So if your willing to go 75 mph on the hwy with no helmet you'll need more than luck.
No problem for me, I wear a Helmet when on a ride, but hate the fact that I can get a $50 ticket for moving my bike from by back yard to my front yard for no Helmet! (I live in a row house so I must go around the block! Speaking of Seat Belts, there is a $50 fine and 2 points for not wearing one in DC The thing about laws is, DC Has the Strongest anti Gun law in the Nation! We are also the Murder Capitol in the Nation! So much for that law!
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posted January 09, 2004 03:25 PM
Yes and the reason for that is "most"criminals are not afraid of the justice system they figure they murder someone they'll be out in no more than 7 years with a good lawyer.Worst case senerio they set on death row until they die of natural causes.
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posted January 09, 2004 03:43 PM
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Some of those california girls look pretty good. I'd happily donate my "organ" to them!
As far as the rest of my organs they're pretty well fucked!
You read my mind! They could have it anythime they wanted, just as long as I could have it back 
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posted January 09, 2004 03:50 PM
That's what we need now. Where will it end?
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posted January 10, 2004 06:59 PM
Sometimes when you are listed as an organ donor, they do not give you the very best care or chance to live! The start to remove organs before you die and every option has been given!
Uh Vince...Soylent green is people too.
C,mon unless it is for your religion or you are a sci-fi fan there is no real reason not to be an organ donor. Yer dead for chrissakes! I am not saying it is ok for them to make you give up the kidney but if your dead seems like the nice thing to do of your own accord.
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posted January 11, 2004 02:16 AM
I would gladly give my organs. When I said they were fucked I mean't my organs are fucked up , as in not suitable to be used by someone else.
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posted January 11, 2004 07:49 AM
 Edited By: Outlaw1 on 11 Jan 2004 07:51
I think my only two concerns is what if somebodys loved one needs a heart or a liver and they decide to take the shortage in there own hands. I mean think about this. It is not public knowledge who is a organ donor. But with proposed law it would be obvious. The guy with no helmet could become a target for a disgruntled father because his child needs a heart. Did'nt they make a movie about that.
My other concern is its just plain wrong to force a person to be an organ donor. Not ethical
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posted January 11, 2004 07:51 AM
Actually. I am talking about a case in New York (I think NY Presbyterian Hospital) where a surgeon declared a person Brain Dead to get some organs needed for another case he was working on! The (how ever you spell it) Autopsy showed that the person was not brain dead and was alive when the Organs were taken! Most likely even felt pain!
Maybe 1 in a Million, but if you are that "1" not too good for you! 
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posted January 11, 2004 08:06 AM
I certainly don't agree with the law mandateng Organ Donation for taking the right to choose not to wear a helmet.
I do encourage 1 and all to do this on thier own. I've witnessed this miracle myself. A good friend of mine, his wife received both a pancreas and kidneys from the same young donor. She no longer use's insulin, and no longer endurs the weekly ritual of Kidney dialises. (sp) Truley a medical miricale.
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posted January 11, 2004 12:40 PM
Edited By: VincentHill on 11 Jan 2004 12:41
I am not against Organ donation either! The neatest thing I have ever seen is a guy at our job had Hepatitis 3 and a co workers "Husband" went throught the "SERIOUS" operations and took years to recover by donating part of his liver. Cliff lived for 5 more years when the disease finally got him. If I want to donate, I will do it on my death bed and make the decision then! If I an not able to make the decision, then I am not going to make it and no one else is either!
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posted January 11, 2004 12:45 PM
My feeling on the whole thing is, the choice to donate is the persons. Not the state or the doctors. if you don't want your organs used after death thats your choice not some state rep. Like wise with the helmet, if you want you coconut all over the ground its your melon, go ahead and spill it. Me there are not many things that are useable. They would have to ring out my liver and kidneys before use "Damn Grey Goose, must stop drinking" I know people who have needed and recieved transplants but I just fell that that isn't a decision for the government to make. What next they will tell us how and when we can have sex. What they need to do is get rougher on drunk drivers, they are a bigger problem than a biker without a helmet
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posted January 12, 2004 01:08 PM
BigJu, "AMEN" The Drunk Dirvers and the "State Reps" are sometimes one in the same!
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posted January 12, 2004 06:26 PM
It has been withdrawn.....read here....
http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2004/organdonor2.asp
I think the guy got nervous.
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