posted November 16, 2014 09:10 AM
H2R can't homologate? No lower cowl on the R - no homologate for you, Joe.
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posted November 16, 2014 11:09 AM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 16 Nov 2014 19:11
In world superbike or superbike? Whatchu talkin bout Willis? We are talking about homologation - not Jimmy John's home made track day.
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posted November 16, 2014 12:36 PM
Oh, I assumed you were talking about amateur low end series. I never thought that the major series were an intended target for the H2R.
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posted November 16, 2014 05:25 PM
Stock fairings are not a consideration, as any bike that meets racing safely certifications must include (aftermarket) a belly pan that is capable of containing the engine's oil in the event of a failure.
". On all motorcycles, the fairing bottom section must be constructed
in such a fashion as to form a fluid catch pan capable of retaining
a minimum of 3 quarts of liquid."
Additionally:
"Motorcycles originally manufactured without a lower fairing
must be equipped with a fluid catch pan. The installation of
an additional lower fairing will be permitted in such a case
and must be pre-approved by AMA Pro Racing"
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posted November 16, 2014 05:32 PM
What *would* keep this big from being homogulated for road racing is the following:
"3.2 Homologation of Motorcycles
a. Only motorcycles homologated by AMA Pro Racing may be used
in AMA Pro Racing-sanctioned road racing competition.
b. Homologation procedure information and applications are
available from the AMA Pro Racing office. See Appendix G.
c. Once a motorcycle has been approved, it may be used until such
time that the homologated motorcycle no longer complies with
the technical rules. If a motorcycle is older than 5 years check
with AMA Pro Racing Technical Department for technical
suitability.
d. Compliance with homologation requirements will not guarantee
AMA Pro Racing approval. Homologation may be withheld or
withdrawn for any reason AMA Pro Racing deems is in the best
interest of competition.
e. A list of eligible motorcycle models for each racing class is
available from the AMA Pro Racing office.
f. Additional homologation requirements for each class are listed in
the associated class standards section. "
Now what's interesting is to read Appendix G:
Appendix G
Homologation Rules
G1 AMA Pro Homologation Procedure for American SuperBike,
Daytona SportBike and SuperSport Motorcycles
a. Homologation is the official assessment made by AMA Pro
Racing for a particular motorcycle to determine its eligibility for
competition. Eligibility will be based on available quantities, retail
pricing and technical suitability for a particular class. Inclusion
or exclusion is at the sole discretion of AMA Pro Racing. An
approved model can be disallowed at any time for violations of
quantities or pricing.
G2 Requirements for an AMA Pro Homologation
a. Any manufacturer of mass production, U.S. street legal
motorcycles may apply for an AMA Pro Homologation.
Technical suitability and manufacturer preference will determine
class specific placement for each model based on the following
eligibility:
G3 Eligibility Requirements:
a. The motorcycles must be of current production.
b. The motorcycles are to be sold for everyday use.
c. At the time of the AMA Pro inspection for homologation
the motorcycle must be fully equipped with all road going
equipment. This includes, but is not limited to, lights, blinkers,
kick stands, etc.
d. The motorcycle must meet all D.O.T., E.P.A., and other U.S.
Federal requirements for street usage.
e. The motorcycle must have a manufacturer’s certificate of origin.
f. A third party may homologate the motorcycle but they must
comply with all requirements.
G4 Minimum Production Quantities
a. The minimum production quantities consist of units with
identical equipment and technical specifications intended for
sale to retail customers.
b. Evidence of production quantities and time frames must be
submitted to AMA Pro Racing upon request. Availability and
sale to the public may be demonstrated by waybills, bills of
lading and/or any other bonafide import, export or customs
documents.
c. Quantity and pricing requirements are as follows:
i. The manufacturer must have produced a quantity of at
least 18 units before applying for homologation.
ii. The minimum quantity of 36 units must be produced by
June 1st of the current competition season.
iii. The minimum quantity of 72 units must be produced 15
days previous to the last race of the current competition
season.120
iv. The minimum quantity of 100 units must be produced by
the end of the calendar year.
v. Motorcycles submitted for American SuperBike
homologation approval may not exceed a retail price of
$40,000 U.S.
vi. Motorcycles submitted for Daytona SportBike and
SuperSport homologation approval may not exceed a retail
price of $20,000 U.S.
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posted November 16, 2014 05:41 PM
Now - nowhere did I see anything ruling out forced induction systems...
But I'm sure that the rules will change to reflect that.
On the other hand, someone especially well heeled that wanted to go club racing could likely get away with it a race or two before their organizing body outlawed the bike.
What the HR2 is and what purpose it will be used for is open for debate. I personally love it as an engineering exercise, where Kawasaki decided to show what they could do.
When I purchased my ZX14R, I was living in Seattle at the time. One of my customers was Boeing. The particular unit of Boeing that I was working with was in South Seattle, not up in Everett, and while I was having lunch with the bike parked out in front of the restaurant where I could keep an eye on it, I saw a minivan pull up and several young japanese engineers get out. They had identical ballcaps and jumpers on and briefly clustered around the bike talking excitedly before entering the restaurant for lunch.
Sadly, I didn't have a chance to talk with them, but considering that this was right around the time that KHI was working with Boeing on the first all-composite fuselage for a passenger jetliner, they could have been from KHI. Maybe that quick discussion among themselves started some spark. These are young guys that take a great deal of pride in KHI and they were certain there was a 'better way.".
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posted November 17, 2014 08:20 AM
Oh, I did find it!
3.6 Engines
a. Engine displacements are listed under various class requirements.
The displacement capacities must remain at the homologated
size. Stock bore and stroke must be maintained.
b. Changes to engine type, configuration, stroke and any
modifications of engine components to alter the stock OEM firing
order of the cylinders are not permitted. c. Supercharging and turbocharging are not permitted.
d. Safety wire used to secure required items must be a minimum
diameter of 0.024 inches.
e. Coolant must not be glycol based.
f. All motorcycles must be driven by rear wheel transmitted power
only
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