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posted November 24, 2008 06:57 PM
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i dig it, but id much rather have a v-rod in my garage - if i was into 'cruisers'.
The V rod cant compare to this bike in any way it cant even match up to the old MAX IVE ridden the V rods there OK but I like my V MAX it does everything better and Im sure the new one is better in every way
  
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posted November 24, 2008 07:18 PM
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Big displacement = Big HP & TQ potential (No brainer)
Should be a fun bike to have..with that huge motor...and yes the dragbike world will have a feast with it...
Chain mod is a must...hopefully it's affordable to the average owner...either way..lot's of torque there... 
Have fun!!
YOU dont need no stinkin chain the shaft drives are reliable and require little maintenance and I understand they are offering an ecu to derestrict it and exhaust and intake mods to release the DRAG-ON to the tune of 220 hp this is a hot rod road bike not a pogostick sport bike that takes a pro rider to bring out of the hole
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posted November 24, 2008 07:33 PM
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Dale Walker is a very good rider and if he can only muster a 10 second pass it's a turd ..Just as i was thinking ... Like i said for 10k i'd take one for a daily driver ...
YOU cant run quicker or faster on any stock height showroom stock bike zx14, Busa,or 1000cc sport bike and Dale Walker is 190 lbs NOT 120lbs like Kunutsigo
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posted November 24, 2008 08:44 PM
Listen... I'm all for the new max. I own a gen1. THERE IS NO COMPARRISON between it and the 14. No one is trying to say that there is. What I will say though, is that " I'll be damned if one EVER beats me at the track". My bike is only lowered and strapped, and it will rape the shit out of the new max with a pro rider. Don't come in here getting all hot and bothered. Buy one, Post up the numbers, then talk shit. Until then, it's an overpriced novelty bike. PERIOD. I would love to have one to make short trips around town on, but that's about all it's good for. Well... that and burnouts. Speak softly and carry a big stick my friend. There are too many people in here that are fast enough to be out of the new max's reach permanantly.
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posted November 25, 2008 10:02 AM
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Listen... I'm all for the new max. I own a gen1. THERE IS NO COMPARRISON between it and the 14. No one is trying to say that there is. What I will say though, is that " I'll be damned if one EVER beats me at the track". My bike is only lowered and strapped, and it will rape the shit out of the new max with a pro rider. Don't come in here getting all hot and bothered. Buy one, Post up the numbers, then talk shit. Until then, it's an overpriced novelty bike. PERIOD. I would love to have one to make short trips around town on, but that's about all it's good for. Well... that and burnouts. Speak softly and carry a big stick my friend. There are too many people in here that are fast enough to be out of the new max's reach permanantly.
What im saying is that for on the road ridind its a match for a stock height (not lowered and strapped) 14 IM not hot and bothered speak for yourself what im saying is a showroom stock zx14 is not going to run any quicker in the 1/4 than a new max with a 190lb rider Im not talking about modified 14s so my freind dont get upset were just talkin and havin fun we run at ATCO and see stock 14s and busas running mid to high 10s stock height and stock exhaust and they are freinds of ours and the MPH is around 135 sounds like a good matchup to me
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posted November 25, 2008 11:02 AM
It already has though... lots of people have put bone stock zx14's into the 9's, which can not be said for the new vmax. My fastest time on my zx14 in showroom stock condition was a 6.40 @ 117 with a 1.62 60ft. I weigh 175-180 lbs in shorts. (That was my second time to the track and 8th run on a street bike EVER). Something to remember is that Average Joe racer isn't going to be able to handle the vmax either. If he's only in the mid 10's on a zx14 (which is the easiest bike i've ever taken down the track), then he's going to be in the 11's on a max. From my understanding, Atco is a pretty fast track... so you will probably see some really good times out of the new max. Good luck out there. I hear there's a guy that races a 109 that goes into the 10's... might have his little jockey sized ass hop on and give it a try.
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posted November 25, 2008 02:09 PM
HI BAWLS IM talking showroom stock no straps, not lowered,no pc, stock gearing im talking un touched out of the crate not the BS RICKEY GADSON calls stock the Vmax is going to be easy to launch the 14 is a handfull and the busa isnt a duckwalk either with that lousy grabby clutch and trying to launch those 1000s is a joke all IM saying is a new max is going to be a competetive ride especially when the performance upgrades come out lots of potential in 1679ccs talking 220+hp with exhaust,ecu,air intakes YOU know weve run 10.s@125+with FAST109s stock m109 he weighs 170lbs ready to race and he beats 8 out of 10 sports bikes he races the max is going to be a fun fast ride
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posted November 25, 2008 02:28 PM
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HI BAWLS IM talking showroom stock no straps, not lowered,no pc, stock gearing im talking un touched out of the crate not the BS RICKEY GADSON calls stock the Vmax is going to be easy to launch the 14 is a handfull and the busa isnt a duckwalk either with that lousy grabby clutch and trying to launch those 1000s is a joke all IM saying is a new max is going to be a competetive ride especially when the performance upgrades come out lots of potential in 1679ccs talking 220+hp with exhaust,ecu,air intakes YOU know weve run 10.s@125+with FAST109s stock m109 he weighs 170lbs ready to race and he beats 8 out of 10 sports bikes he races the max is going to be a fun fast ride
My 14 had no problem running 9s show room stock ,in fact it ran 9.60s with just a strap ... Hell my zx10 ran 9.98 stock with 3 miles on it with no strap .. Take my zx14 with just a strap (23.00 bucks ) at 57 1/2 wheel base and run a Vmax at 66 inch wheel base and i'll leave that vmax for dead .. Sure the Vmax will be a fun bike but no way will it ever be as fast as a zx14 mod for mod ... Now if you want to find out for yourself buy a Vmax and i'll show you first hand what a stock zx14 can do...
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posted November 25, 2008 02:32 PM
The Max is way too heavy. To think that it will run equal times to the 14, even stock, is a pipe dream. Sure, if you have two complete noobs and sit them on the bikes and tell them to twist the grip anything can happen.
I like Vmaxes. But let's be realistic. The Max was really not made for dragracing. The weight and drive system make that clear.
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posted November 25, 2008 02:47 PM
fast 109's "STOCK" 109 isn't stock. Our 109 with nothing done to it runs 7.40 @ 96mph in the 1/8th... that's cutting 1.6 60fts with my dad who weighs 145-150ish and has been racing for 30+ years. Anyone who thinks that the 14 is a handfull needs to take a second look at their riding abilities. my first time to ever go down a dragstrip on a bike was on my bone stock 14. My first couple of runs were abortions... a 7.40, a 7.15ish, and a 7.0... after that, I was in the 6.70's all night with mid 1.7 60fts. I'll give it to you that the 1000's are hard to get out of the hole, but the big bikes are easy.
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posted November 25, 2008 02:56 PM
 Edited By: smokinzx14 on 26 Nov 2008 02:11
Vmax 680 pounds and 197 hp at the crank .... zx14 540 pounds and 197 at the crank ... All one has to do is look at the math ..You can not change the facts no matter how you try ..
One thing for sure it will be blast to ride on the street at 66.9 wheel base it should do block long smokey burn outs and sound way cool doing it .. Will it make a good drag bike ? not going to happen unless you dump a ton of money in it just like the old Vmax ..I had a 85 Vmax so i know... Muzzy and Brocks or anyone else is not going to spend a lot of time in this bike because of the limited market .... Sure someone will spend a ton of money and go fast on the new Vmax just like some have done with the Vrod ..The big picture for the Vmax is very small ...
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posted November 25, 2008 04:31 PM
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Big displacement = Big HP & TQ potential (No brainer)
Should be a fun bike to have..with that huge motor...and yes the dragbike world will have a feast with it...
Chain mod is a must...hopefully it's affordable to the average owner...either way..lot's of torque there...
Have fun!!
YOU dont need no stinkin chain the shaft drives are reliable and require little maintenance and I understand they are offering an ecu to derestrict it and exhaust and intake mods to release the DRAG-ON to the tune of 220 hp this is a hot rod road bike not a pogostick sport bike that takes a pro rider to bring out of the hole
You're dreaming, drag racing is about accelerating mass from a dead stop to a 1/4 mile finish line. That boat anchor will be there for the 1/8 then it's by by as my ZX14 shows you my ass. You won't wheelie at the expense of smoking the tire. Slip the clutch on that quarter ton hunk of iron and kiss it goodbye. You better look elsewhere for a fair race, too much weight + too much torque = reading my license plate down the quarter, IMFASTOO.
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posted November 25, 2008 04:35 PM
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Listen... I'm all for the new max. I own a gen1. THERE IS NO COMPARRISON between it and the 14. No one is trying to say that there is. What I will say though, is that " I'll be damned if one EVER beats me at the track". My bike is only lowered and strapped, and it will rape the shit out of the new max with a pro rider. Don't come in here getting all hot and bothered. Buy one, Post up the numbers, then talk shit. Until then, it's an overpriced novelty bike. PERIOD. I would love to have one to make short trips around town on, but that's about all it's good for. Well... that and burnouts. Speak softly and carry a big stick my friend. There are too many people in here that are fast enough to be out of the new max's reach permanantly.
You tell him Bawls!!!!
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posted November 25, 2008 04:45 PM
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Listen... I'm all for the new max. I own a gen1. THERE IS NO COMPARRISON between it and the 14. No one is trying to say that there is. What I will say though, is that " I'll be damned if one EVER beats me at the track". My bike is only lowered and strapped, and it will rape the shit out of the new max with a pro rider. Don't come in here getting all hot and bothered. Buy one, Post up the numbers, then talk shit. Until then, it's an overpriced novelty bike. PERIOD. I would love to have one to make short trips around town on, but that's about all it's good for. Well... that and burnouts. Speak softly and carry a big stick my friend. There are too many people in here that are fast enough to be out of the new max's reach permanantly.
What im saying is that for on the road ridind its a match for a stock height (not lowered and strapped) 14 IM not hot and bothered speak for yourself what im saying is a showroom stock zx14 is not going to run any quicker in the 1/4 than a new max with a 190lb rider Im not talking about modified 14s so my freind dont get upset were just talkin and havin fun we run at ATCO and see stock 14s and busas running mid to high 10s stock height and stock exhaust and they are freinds of ours and the MPH is around 135 sounds like a good matchup to me
Ok IMANASSHOLETOO
you've seen what stock Busa's and 14's run with ok riders. When have you seen a VMax run with an ok rider??? NEVER!!!!!! So Nowww!!!! Dale Walker the shit talker told you what he can do. Let's set him up against Rickey on a 14 and see how close the race is not!!!! I will put my 14 with Rickey on it against Dale Walker, shit talker, on Crazy Dave's Max at ATCO anyday.
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posted November 25, 2008 04:50 PM
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HI BAWLS IM talking showroom stock no straps, not lowered,no pc, stock gearing im talking un touched out of the crate not the BS RICKEY GADSON calls stock the Vmax is going to be easy to launch the 14 is a handfull and the busa isnt a duckwalk either with that lousy grabby clutch and trying to launch those 1000s is a joke all IM saying is a new max is going to be a competetive ride especially when the performance upgrades come out lots of potential in 1679ccs talking 220+hp with exhaust,ecu,air intakes YOU know weve run 10.s@125+with FAST109s stock m109 he weighs 170lbs ready to race and he beats 8 out of 10 sports bikes he races the max is going to be a fun fast ride
Who DragRacers straight from the showroom floor motorcycles???
I have made 3 passes on a showroom floor ZX14 and on the 3rd pass went 10.02 @ 143...There have been guys that have gone faster and I know a few more passes I can get down to 9.85...But, very rare now to see showroom bikes on the strip!!!
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posted November 25, 2008 05:25 PM
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fast 109's "STOCK" 109 isn't stock. Our 109 with nothing done to it runs 7.40 @ 96mph in the 1/8th... that's cutting 1.6 60fts with my dad who weighs 145-150ish and has been racing for 30+ years. Anyone who thinks that the 14 is a handfull needs to take a second look at their riding abilities. my first time to ever go down a dragstrip on a bike was on my bone stock 14. My first couple of runs were abortions... a 7.40, a 7.15ish, and a 7.0... after that, I was in the 6.70's all night with mid 1.7 60fts. I'll give it to you that the 1000's are hard to get out of the hole, but the big bikes are easy.
FAST 109s bike is stock (pipe and air intake whats done to your dads bike? you guys are missing the point I think the 14 is a great bike smooth, fast, great brakes etc. but the new max is still going to be a race no matter how much whining you do so we will wait and see they will be here soon and my freind has one ordered so as soon as it gets here TURBLOWER will be the first victim and BAWLS and your saying you went faster than Rickey on a stock 14 ?
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posted November 25, 2008 06:20 PM
I haven't run the 1/4 mile on it. I've only run 1/8th because that's all the tracks here are. I will tell you that my dad... the same guy than squeeks everything that you can out of a showroom stock 109 managed a 6.05 @ 122 on my showroom stock zx14 with 1500 miles on it. Is he the average rider? Not in the slightest. What happens at the track, happens at the track though. He said himself that all of the stars aligned and that it is what it is... repeatable or not. The bike is capable. You better be hoping that mark who i'm pretty sure doesn't drag race much is the only person on a zx14 that your buddy (who is an AWESOME rider and i'm not doubting his ability to make anything go fast) races. If he ever ends up running a rider with the same skill (which mark may have? i don't really know) he'll be really upset that he could have had two 14's for the price of that 1 turd. Keep running that mouth. It'll get shut for you soon enough. BTW... What bike do you race? Are you a superstar too? or are you just living vicariously through your buddy?
Sorry for the trolling session there guys, but it had to be asked lol.
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posted November 25, 2008 07:03 PM
This right from Dales lips to your ears....
Hi guys
Dont get me wrong this new V max is a real fast bike and 10:13 is darn quick for a 700 lb stock bike wet, with a shaft drive.
I called and talked to Sandy Kosman and he told me Jay had more like 30 to 35 lbs on me. No wonder i had to work so hard to stay ahead of that guy....,,,,,,,ha ha
Most likely on a good day, at a fast track he will get the bike to about 9.90 or so, but i always looked at it in a way that i was a little more realistic being more of a average size rider, not big and not a tiny light weight.
I wish i had a little more time on the test day, i only got about 10 total runs. The day i tested the bike was during a Top fuel nastalgia race , so we had to be out of there by early afternoon.
After i got home and looked at a few videos i took and anolized it, i would have loved to have a few more morning passes to try a few more tricks.
I bet with the morning cool air i could have got real close to a 9.99
Since the new V Max pulls 137 to 138 mph i feel it will get into the 9s. But it will really need to be a good track with a very light rider on board.
Ok got to run , take care all
Cheers Dale
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posted November 25, 2008 07:05 PM
HEY BAWLS my freind thats getting the max also owns a 14 lowered stretched broc pipe etc oh now your gonna talk shit and run your mouth about how fast you are I never said I was fast or a superstar like you Dont tell us how fast you are prove it and IM going to wait and see first hand I think the MAXES were released so we will find out soon OH FAST109 says HI and have a happy thanksgiving like I said before the MAX will be hard to beat on the street oh by the way fast109 is going to race TURBLOW this weekend with the 109 IM betting on the109 are we havin fun yet????
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posted November 25, 2008 09:05 PM
What does he run on the 14? Tell him that I said hello and am waiting to see what he can do with the max. When are you guys going to get some video up of his LE? I know lamont called him a liar and kicked him off the boards because he also saw the light and called their bluff about saying that the raw taz wasn't running as advertised. I've been having fun. I knew what was going on as soon as I saw ATCO pop up on there. It seems like you guys follow mark around and give him shit everywhere he goes lol. I'll tell you what... you fly me out to NJ, I'll ride mark's 14 against the new max, and whoever loses buys the beer that night. Deal?
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posted November 25, 2008 10:07 PM
YO BAWLS your too much what a crybaby stop the whining were not picking on turblower hes picking on us or didnt you notice besides hes a freind of ours and he likes it and who gives a crap about no racin LAMONT he never shows to race anyone he just talks crap hey your welcome to come out anytime but wait till they have the all bike grudge races at ATCO its a blast you will enjoy yourself yeah were anxious to see what happens Ive talked to a few guys that rode it and they said it rocks lots of power and easy to ride they said its very impressive bike handles, stops,and comfy too they also said yamaha is offering a race kit that ups power to 275 WOW I like it hey we will buy you beers just for showing up
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posted November 26, 2008 05:06 AM
IMFASTTOO, I've been reading this thread and I can't stay quiet any longer. The biggest appeal to most people buying[vmax, 14's, busa's]is the power and POTENTIAL for 1/4 or top end runs. Again I said most people not all. With that said the big max will fall way short to many inline 4's in those departments. Also the only way to get 275hp on a motorcycle today is with spray or a turbo and Yamaha will not do this...when the bike hits the streets it will be a fast bike with the likes of the cruiser market but it WILL NOT run with the 14, busa, liter bikes, or even the ugly B-King.
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posted November 26, 2008 08:46 AM
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YO BAWLS your too much what a crybaby stop the whining were not picking on turblower hes picking on us or didnt you notice besides hes a freind of ours and he likes it and who gives a crap about no racin LAMONT he never shows to race anyone he just talks crap hey your welcome to come out anytime but wait till they have the all bike grudge races at ATCO its a blast you will enjoy yourself yeah were anxious to see what happens Ive talked to a few guys that rode it and they said it rocks lots of power and easy to ride they said its very impressive bike handles, stops,and comfy too they also said yamaha is offering a race kit that ups power to 275 WOW I like it hey we will buy you beers just for showing up
Damn that was one long sentence....
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posted November 26, 2008 09:56 AM
V max can never compete with a ZX-14....on who has the baddest burnout maybe....not acceleration....
Can you say power to weight ratio....
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posted November 26, 2008 02:08 PM
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Dale Walker is a very good rider and if he can only muster a 10 second pass it's a turd ..Just as i was thinking ... Like i said for 10k i'd take one for a daily driver ...
YOU cant run quicker or faster on any stock height showroom stock bike zx14, Busa,or 1000cc sport bike and Dale Walker is 190 lbs NOT 120lbs like Kunutsigo
I can
BTW, I love the new Max, best lloking bike on the planet. Just needs a 100 shot and a shinko, and pull those stinkin mirrors.
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