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posted October 12, 2008 07:10 AM
Rear Brakes Sticking (Anyone Else)
I went for a short ride yesterday and as I was getting near my house I went to hit the rear brakes and there was nothing there, the peddle went all the way down. Pumped it twice and it went back to normal. About 5 miles later (as I was pulling in my driveway) it did it again. When I got home I checked the fluid level and it was fine, I checked for leaks and found nothing. This morning I went to get gas (I was supposed to go for a ride with some people) and the brakes felt very hard, the peddle hardly moved. After getting gas I went to back the bike up and almost couldn't. I got off and looked at the rear rotor and it looked discolored, I touched it (it had been sitting for a few minutes) and it was so hot it burned my finger. I let it sit for awhile until it cooled off and it freed itself enough that I could drive it home. I took it apart and cleaned everything and it seems to work fine now but I'm still afraid to go anyplace with it because I don't know the cause. If it makes a difference I have an ABS model.
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posted October 15, 2008 07:11 AM
**UPDATE**
The dealer said they contacted Kawasaki and this problem can be common however there explanation does not match what happened to my bike. They’re saying that there is a defect in the design of the rear brake foot pedal that can cause a rock or some other type of debris to get lodged between the pedal and the bike causing the brake to drag. However in my case I know that’s not the problem but Kawasaki is replacing everything, the rotor, caliper, brake lines and also installing a new (updated design) foot pedal. I still think that one of my brake pistons hung up and by the time I realized it (I was on the highway) it was to late because the heat had already done its damage. The rotor is discolored and warped and even though I took the caliper apart and freed it up the minute I rode it to the dealer, even though I did not use the rear brake it got hot and started sticking again. Kawasaki said that even though I used only the front brake when I rode to the dealer (about 3 miles) because the bike is ABS the front and rear brakes are LINKED. I never heard that before. Anyone know if the C14 ABS has a linked brake system??? Anyway keep an eye on your rear brakes; apparently this problem is not an isolated one.
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posted October 15, 2008 01:08 PM
while ABS is nice there are many complications & longterm maintenance will Always
exceed a regular braking system. bmw work on theirs for 20+ years & they still have
problems.routine maintence can run 6-900 $$ & please dont let the main unit go, you could double that
honda just came out with theirs taking into consideration many of the prior
disadvantages, no doubt it will be years b4 they have a basis for determining their success.
few have actually offerd a system that is the rider is on his game ABS exceeds his
capabilties. same bike with brembos will out stop an ABS bike flat & level.
wet the ABS should be superior yet look at wera endurance series......motogp run in the wet
proper training & application doesnt mean you have to bite it
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posted October 15, 2008 04:55 PM
Kevin,
Never heard of this issue with this bike, and the brakes should not be linked. Do you have the service manual? If not I can email it to you, though I dunno if 19 mb will go through, kinda doubt it.. You could always stop by my work and you can take a jump drive with you or look in way earlier posts about the link to get it, worked for me...
Interesting that kawi said there is a problem with the brake pedal, that's new news as well...
Had no issues with non abs (mine), now she is broke in and hooligan time is a cummin'
Rob
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jailcop
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posted October 15, 2008 06:40 PM
There not linked, it was a error that the guy who works behind the counter made. The mechanic said there defiantly NOT linked. Found out the guy behind the counter work for Honda for years and Honda has a few bikes with linked brakes. As for the problem apparently it has nothing to do with ABS or non ABS it just a design problem with the way the brake pedal is.
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posted October 16, 2008 02:52 PM
The fucking brake caliper is on back order. (2-4 weeks) I need my bike back the season is growing short.
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posted October 17, 2008 02:06 AM
I saw that one coming... I really feel for you too, time is running out and hopefully they pull off a miracle!
Reguards,
Rob
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jailcop
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posted November 02, 2008 07:46 AM
I'm still waiting for parts. NOT VERY HAPPY>
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posted November 02, 2008 10:23 AM
crazy!
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jailcop
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posted November 04, 2008 07:53 PM
***WARNING***
The parts came in and the bike is fixed but the problem was exactly what Kawasaki said. A flaw in the design of the brake pedal allowed a piece of debris, in this case a rock to get wedged between the crossover of the rear brake and the frame causing the brakes to drag. When Kawasaki told my mechanic what they thought the problem was he really just kind of blew it off as an excuse. However when he took my bike apart as soon as he removed the brake pedal a rock fell out on to the lift. He said he would not have believed it if he hadn't seen it himself. So I guess I would have to say "watch you rear brakes" the rock that caused mine was only enough to make the brake drag but if it had been bigger who knows it could have locked up the read tire on a non ABS model. I will take and post pictures of the new design when I pick the bike up, I don't remember what the old one looked like but we can compare it to some of there other bikes.
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posted November 05, 2008 04:46 PM
Sounds like a recall, and while they are at it, recall it for the heat as well!
Rob
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posted November 17, 2008 08:39 PM
quote:
crazy!
+1
this thread is spooky
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posted December 19, 2008 06:53 AM
 Edited By: rifleman223 on 19 Dec 2008 14:55
Here is the recall info about this
http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/2008/V/RCAK-08V623-6716.pdf
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posted January 13, 2009 12:21 AM
got my recall letter for the brakes in the mail today...
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posted January 13, 2009 04:37 PM
Got mine too, says do not ride the bike untill the work is completed... How the Hell do you get it there?? Says nothing about Kawi paying to pick it up for you....
3 Recalls on a new bike is tough, at least there not big ones like my 2000 busa..
Rob
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posted January 14, 2009 05:45 PM
Edited By: jailcop on 15 Jan 2009 01:46
How About This Shit
Here's a kick in the ass for you. I had this problem awhile back, Anyway my rear break stuck and pretty much smoked the rotor, the caliper and slightly damaged the lines leading to them. I was on the highway when it happened and when I pulled in my garage I couldn't back the bike up, that's when I noticed the problem. Anyway Kawasaki replaced everything under warranty and as they put it an updated brake pedal on the bike to correct the problem. Great looks good. Here's the problem, the recall does not replace the pedal but I believe involves placing a guard to prevent debris from getting in there. So I called the dealer and said what has to happen in my case the response was "I don't know". we replaced your rear break and installed the new pedal but we think we still have to install the guard from the recall. So I said that means the new design you installed might still be considered unsafe. There response was I'll call Kawasaki and find out for sure but I think so. Nice. I could have gotten killed the first time if that problem would have locked the wheel on the highway at 80MPH. Now I get the bike fixed (took 3 weeks to get the parts) and now find out it may still be bad.
P.S. I still really love this bike. But I would be interested to find out if there were any accidents or deaths that might be considered "driver error" or something similar and it ends up being this rear brake issue.
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