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posted July 20, 2008 08:14 AM
C14 heat
Yesterday I went for a ride to go pick my wife some berries, had t-shirt and jeans on. Was great to get behind a porche at a light, when it turned green he swerved around the car in front of him and took off, so did I. I am only using 1/4 throttle due to break in, but as I crossed the road, I hit second at about 5k, the rear tire broke loose and I heard the tire screaming, had I used what this thing can put out, I might have been in big trouble......
So after that trip (the porche had nothing for me) I got home and called the dealer to see if my bag latches were replaced for warranty, and they were. So I decided to try the flip flops and shorts method of heat detection. The weather was 80 deg. and high humidity.
The results of that ride prove to be scorching. When I took off from the house it wasn't really bad, but a couple of miles down the road I found signifigant heat coming from the r/s, calf area. If I got in traffic and then went again, there was a blow torch effect on the r/s, even going over 100mph didn't seem to effect the amount of heat, just blew the same heat faster. By the time I got to the dealer I had my right leg at a 90 deg. angle to my body as I coudn't take any more. My left inner calf had a read sopt that I can stil see some of a day later. If I was stuck in real bad traffic, I had heat from both sides, but the r/s was always worse.
Does anyone know of anyplace that heat tapes wraps the header? Or ceramic coating of it? All the header pipes come down the r/s and get vented on your leg, I am thinking that if you can insulate them there would be a lot less heat.... I cannot even imagine being down south in 100 deg. weather riding this bbq on 2 wheels.!!
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posted July 20, 2008 06:00 PM
I also rode with shorts on yesterday for the first time. It's in the mid 90's here with high humidity. I couldn't take the heat coming from the calf area on both sides and too had to ride with my feet at 90 degree angles from my body. I had never noticed just how hot it is down there with jeans on but I can't ride this bike with shorts in the summer time! I wish KHI had made the bike dump that hot air beneath the bike instead of right on our lower legs.
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posted July 20, 2008 06:25 PM
My heat was mostly r/s, but if I got in heavy traffic both sides were hot (radiator), the heat from the exhaust is overwhelming! Either heat tape wraping or coating the header should work... Must make a killer fall winter bike as it has a built in heater, as for the summer, wear jeans or something thick..
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posted July 21, 2008 04:19 AM
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My heat was mostly r/s, but if I got in heavy traffic both sides were hot (radiator), the heat from the exhaust is overwhelming! Either heat tape wraping or coating the header should work... Must make a killer fall winter bike as it has a built in heater, as for the summer, wear jeans or something thick..
Reguards,
Rob
Getting rid of the stock pipe with the cat inside will help with the heat. I've ridden thousands of miles in mesh pants and have no problems with heat on mine. 90+ degree days here in Tennessee. As long as I'm moving, I'm fine. Those with heat problems on the right side, may want to pull the right fairing and check the insulating foam. Adjust it for better seal and it will make a noticeable difference.
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posted July 21, 2008 05:19 PM
C14 Heat
I can't believe the difference in the heat I'm now feeling. I've had my bike since August 2007 and it was hot when I first got it. I felt some heat coming from the inner thigh area but nothing that was really a worry. Once the temps dropped below 80 degrees, the bike ran so cool that heat was no issue at all! Now that it's hot again, the heat blowing out from the lower openings is really more than I want to feel. I know it's hotter than most places here now, but it gets like this here every summer. It almost feels like the foam came out of place on my bike, but I took a look in there and it all seems to be where it should be. The temp guage stays at two bars, or just below the half way point, so it's not the motor overheating. I am running engine ice in the radiator and fully synthetic oil in the crankcase and I have 6900 miles on her so far.
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posted July 22, 2008 08:38 AM
I believe that even the tiniest leak in the foam will spill tons of hot air. I think I am going on a mission to seal it all up. I mean really seal it up so all air must escape through the side vents AND seal the deflectors so no hot are leaks between them an the faring.
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posted July 22, 2008 02:49 PM
I will await you results, has nothing to do with how tall you are either.. The exhaust heat is dumped right on your leg, like I said I had a red spot about 3" in diameter, let's call it a 1/2 degree burn. I did go away in 24 hrs. I really have no problem if wearing pants or jeans..
It just makes you not want to ride it in hot weather.. Off to change the oil for the first time!
Reguards,
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posted July 22, 2008 03:19 PM
Ok Rob...now get a clue -- wearing shorts on a bike...that's really bad dude...really bad. If you think the red spot hurt...think about road rash at 70 MPH....
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posted July 22, 2008 04:44 PM
I know, It was just an experiment, and the experiment proved something.. There is serious heat dumping on the r/s. Sometimes experimentors take risks, that's what I did, and to prove a point. The heat I got had to be from the header as it was real f'ing hot. Did it escape by the engine instead ov the vent, I think so. There is no other way I would have got burnt on the inside of my right calf, it did not come from the vent, or it would have been on the outside. Maybe ted is right on his mission?
It takes someone who thinks outside the box, maybe even risking his or her own health in the process, and I took the plunge. I guess nobody else did, but if it helps everyone here it is worth it., isn't it?
Rob
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posted July 22, 2008 06:12 PM
LOL -- so you don't wear them regularly...good! The heat on the right seems to come from inside the fairing, from the airflow from the rad...but, it could also be pulled down from the gaps between the tank and the upper fairings...that air is also quite hot.
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posted July 23, 2008 04:53 PM
No I do not wear shorts regularly, but I always wear a helmet (optional in this state)!
Yes the r/s heat is not external, it is from the engine area for sure. And it is extereme. This is real hot air, you need shorts to evaluate it. Jeans and riding gear seems to nullify it.
It seems to be, maybe infared radiated heat, way more than the rad. can produce, wayyy hot.
In my c-14 heat post another rider from the same day wearing shorts reported the same scenerio..... I will swear the heat on the r/s comes from the exhaust, it has to be...
Rob
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posted July 24, 2008 03:52 PM
Ok, maybe have a certain heat issue than others, maybe it is not 1 problem, but different problems. I remember people saying whan they switched to amsoil or another synthetic the heat went down. Maybe it's a coincedence or maybe, just maybe, that the heat really went down...
As I was changing my oil for the first time this tuesday I did notice what seemed to be a large aluminum can on the l/s front of the motor. It appears to be a oil/coolant heat exchanger. In otherwords, and if I am right, the oil is cooled by the rad. I did not see a seperate oil cooler near the rad, as would be ususal..
Maybe friction is playing a part in this? Have no clue, just trying to help.. Others have said that after a bunch of miles the heat dropped...
This bike warms up at an incredible pace, moreso than any other bike I ever owned. I can start it in about 75-80 deg. weather and within 5 min's the rad fans willl kick on and the oil is pretty hot by then..
I guess it's something to think about....................
Rob
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posted July 24, 2008 07:07 PM
Nahhhh -- I'm using Amsoil race, same shit and fucking heat issues as the mineral oil...but you're probably right about the headers pushing lots of heat -- and that's an engine bay/fairing design issue. The ZX14 doesn't have this issue to this extent and IMO, it's more about the way the heat /hot air is pushed out from that area, but I doubt there's a whole lot that can be done about it...just have to wait for the 2010-11 series where I bet they will have addressed this issue, like they did on the 07 FJR. When I did ride 3 blocks last week in shorts, (something I've never done in the 36 years of riding), I noticed that heat too, bad enough to burn a leg in city traffic...
Funny, my Busa's never exhibited a hint of heat on the rider...they really have it down right...those puppies run just as hot, but the rider would never know it.
I think the displacement and compression has a lot to do with the fast warm up on this engine...
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posted July 24, 2008 10:28 PM
boy howdee @ this thread huh
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posted July 25, 2008 01:00 PM
The heat output dropped as the miles piled up on mine, 13,000+ now.
Also the Baker Hand Wings bring more air into the cockpit (literally) and the tops of your legs. An unexpected and welcome benefit.
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posted July 27, 2008 06:10 PM
My '00 busa had no heat issues either (it suffered from other issues), but my '97 ZX-11 did on the r/s as well. Cannot wait for fall rides, should be great! If it's high 80's or 90's I would rather take the klr...
Rob
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posted July 29, 2008 09:22 AM
heat for me seemed to be inconsistent.... sometimes crazy hot... other times not at all... dont understand it.
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posted August 02, 2008 03:16 PM
I'm in Tucson AZ, so right now it's 105 degrees... so yeah, I notice the heat.
One thing I've discovered on my bike is that if I raise the windshield a bit, it changes the airflow pattern just enough that less heat winds up on my ankles.
Sounds crazy, perhaps, but you could try it and see.
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posted August 04, 2008 01:19 PM
I've noticed that the windshild position effects the heat flow also.
I went on a 200 mile ride Saturday. It was 95 plus the heat index and humidity. No doubt the bike makes heat. I ride in jeans and leather cowboy-type work boots. Warm, but not a problem. Also, as some have mentioned, it seems with more miles, there's less heat.
It'll be interesting to see what changes are made on future models though.
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posted August 17, 2008 03:24 PM
Any luck Ted??
Went out the last 2 days, though cooler than when I started this post, still dumping heat.
I told my friend that this bike has everything, he asked if I had A/C, said no but I have a heater!!
Rob
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I believe that even the tiniest leak in the foam will spill tons of hot air. I think I am going on a mission to seal it all up. I mean really seal it up so all air must escape through the side vents AND seal the deflectors so no hot are leaks between them an the faring.
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