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posted January 24, 2008 10:00 PM
 Edited By: TedG on 25 Jan 2008 15:57
Schuberth S1 first impressions
Well the Schuberth S1 arrived today. Here is a bit of background, over the years I have always sought to have only the finest helmets money can buy. In 1970 while still in high school I saw my first full coverage Bell Star, and I knew from that instant that was the helmet to have and saved my money and got one.. Bell for many years was the class of the field. Shoei was the cheepo helmet. Later on I found out about Arais and learned from the get go that they built high quality helmets. I have bought several top of the line Shoeis when they stepped up to be top quality helmets. But they don't fit me well, and they rotate forward and buffet in the wind. And the shields are junk in comparison to an Aria. But they have had some awesome paint jobs, hence me trying them over and over. Over they years I have probably had at least 15 Arais and 3 of those the RX7RRs. I buy a lot of helmets.
So why a Schuberth? I had read on more than one forum that they were a very quiet helmet as well as super high quality. So this sport touring thing on the C14 has found me doing 4-700 mile in a day and ready to go more. But that long on a bike the wind noise (I like the stock shield in the down position) can start to get to one. So I started on a search for quiet and tunes, having just bought an iPhone, this is the perfect time to go wireless with bluetooth. And I ordered a J&M bluetooth headset which should be here tomorrow. So the idea here is to cut up the Schuberth and install the setup in it.
Now my first impressions of it fresh out of the box, It doesn't seem as heavy as the one in the Beemer shop. Also the paint job is nice Some sort of nasty teeth or something like that. This is the stinkiest helmet I have ever put on, It needs airing out bad. The quality seems as good if not better than any helmet I have seen. The lining material seems very nice. I like the clip chin strap seems easy to use, The shield is not as stiff as an Arai but too soon to judge, It doesn't seem very hard to flip up the shield, the spring loaded thingy works well enough, but we will see when I am actually riding. Putting it on if feels pretty darn good and there is very even pressure all they way around my head. It also seems to cover under my ears and chin very well. This is looking promising. So tomorrow hopefully I will be able to start the installation of the bluetooth headset.
I won't be able to ride for a few weeks because the weather here shows snow for the next 10 days. I will report the minute I do ride on the whole setup. I will try to take pictures of the install and post them if I can ever get logged back in to Charter to host them.
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posted January 25, 2008 07:50 AM
BTW, don't they already make a BT helmet, Schuberth I mean?...
I was looking at their flip up helmets at one time, but found that particular style to be quite noisy and $$$. I'd be curious to see how yours makes out though.
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posted January 25, 2008 09:35 AM
FBA I have not seen one, believe me if I had I would have got it and not messed with it. Anyway if I don't like the helmet, I will just take out the BT and put it in the Arai. And if I find the helmet not good for the summer and I like the BT, I will buy another one and put it in the Arai.
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posted January 25, 2008 01:53 PM
Well the UPS tracking shows that the headset was delivered....cool.
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posted January 25, 2008 08:34 PM
Ted --
Not sure where it can be bought though,or if --
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posted January 26, 2008 09:50 PM
Well today the weather broke a bit and I decided to go for a ride and try out the new helmet. So armed with new Gerbing heated jacket and gloves I set out to give them a rip. Well to start I cleaned the shields with a damp towel and wiped them with a microfiber cloth. Putting on the helmet is a bit tight but not too bad. The quick release buckle works well although you have to fiddle around with a couple of flaps. Taking off you notice the helmet seems comfortable and flipping up the shield is easy with gloves. The shield flips down easily but it takes some effort to get it to seal. Things are pretty good so far. Then at about 35 you notice that there is quite a bit of wind noise. Hmm what is this? I had the accessory Kawasaki windscreen all the way up and my Aria's are dead quite with it in that position. Oh oh things aren't so good. Now I get going 50ish and things are getting louder and the helmet is starting to buffet around a bit. I am also noticing that from the get go the shield has fogged up. Now I hit the freeway and and am paying attention to every detail. Again the helmet fits well and is truely comfortable, I flip down the sun visor and it seems optically correct but doesn't go down far enough and makes looking through it kind of distracting, I guess one could get used to it. Then I start paying attention to the wind noise which has become considerable. There is no air hitting the front of the helmet, I take my hand almost everywhere in front and there in no change in the noise, Hmmm I take my hand and put it on top of the helmet and there is a change in pitch. Now I notice that the back of my neck up inside the helmet is getting cold and well as parts of my ears and there is quite a bit of buffeting like when I am behind an SUV when I am wearing an Arai, but there is no one in front of me. What seems to be happening is the air hitting the top of the helmet is causing turbulence behind the helmet and curling up behind and around the ears. Very annoying. Now the temperature is starting to fall and the shield is fogging up, so I crack it and no difference, I open it completely and the helmet gets quieter. WTF? Now I flip it back down and it is still foggy, better but foggy. So this goes on for about 60 miles and I have to pull over because I can't see all that well and it is getting cloudy and the light is waning. I wipe the shield with a microfiber and it really doesn't clear up. Again WTF? Now all my attention is back on the helmet, After an hour and a half the helmet is still comfortable. But I am having trouble seeing and it is only 40 degrees. I stop again and wipe the shield, no real help, now it is starting to get dark. and the halos around oncoming lights are huge, this sucks big time. I can't see anything and opening the shield doesn't help dry it. I have to open it all the way and it is getting cold so I duck deep behind the windscreen, at least I can see. So I play this game all the way home Approx 100 miles of lousy vision, loud wind noise, cold neck and ears and buffeting. Needless to say I am very disappointed. This is a high quality helmet poorly implemented. The small amount of air hitting the top of the helmet causes tons of low frequency noise.and buffeting where the Arai is dead quiet and absolutely no buffeting (windscreen all the way up). With the screen all the way down it is even louder and more annoying. With it all the way down the Aria's are as loud but much smoother. Also the view out the shield is distorted, it must be that fog screen. The Schuberth has a very nice chin cover and it kept my chin warm. So all in all the helmet IMHO was a waste of money. Now I know what everyone is complaining about with the windscreen down and a crappy helmet. All I can say is the Arai's shields are far superior to the Schuberth's. optically and fog wise, the Arai has a functional defogger that works when you move. The Schuberth's front vent does nothing but make your nose cold. So over the 150 miles i went today 2/3rds of that I was wishing for my Arai.
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posted January 27, 2008 05:51 AM
Hey Ted,
Jumped over from the other site. I've found that with the shield shut it will fog, when this happens I keep the shield cracked at the first click when that occurs and it goes away. I have the Euro Cut windshield and half way up there is some buffeting noise but not bad at all. My helmet is VERY snug going on, it's a large and that's what I wear in all makes.
Like you I was expecting more from the S-1 .... as I said over in the ZX, check the year of the helmet, if it's 05 or earlier CALL extreme supply & tell them of the fogging issue, the film could be deteriorating, request a replacement, they sent mine at N/C.
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posted January 27, 2008 09:29 AM
Thanks, I wll do that and I believe that is where I got mine. But the main thing is quiet, and this helmet is not quiet. I am going to stick with my Arais. I believe a bit of mods around the ears will cure the noise. And with speakers it wll be just fine.
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posted January 27, 2008 12:16 PM
Let me know how you make out with the J&M, I'm heading in that direction .......
Wnat model Arai do you have ... or recommend
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posted January 27, 2008 01:49 PM
I have a few at the moment, and I really like the Profile, removable lining, very aero, and after living with it for 5 months I really like it. I just put in the J&M this morning without the mike to figure out where the speakers go. I got their position perfect but I need to embed them a bit. But sitting on the couch with the tunes on, it sounded good enough. Not real high fidelity but by the time you factor in road noise and the like it should be just fine. And the thing is wireless!
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posted January 27, 2008 02:37 PM
Edited By: ovrclkd on 27 Jan 2008 14:49
I'm assuming it's the HS-BLU277-FF. Did you buy from J&M direct?
If you ever need to go back to a "hardwired" setup I cannot say enough about the boostaroo revolution amp. Not the original, I'm talking about the new rev, it's friggin amazing. It's like the difference between onboard sound and a decent Audigy card in your PC. I put it in between my Inno and my Sennheiser 595's to test, unbelievable! Not to mention what it does for the IASUS helmet speakers I use. The only quirk is they use AAAA bat's, WTF, but it keeps it small. I'm gonna take a good look at the Profile. Thanks Ted.
Just Found it for 280.50 shipped ... ?
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posted January 27, 2008 02:49 PM
Yes that is the model I got and on the other thread the guys helped me figure out what I was doing wrong with the mike. So I will be putting it in the Arai. And no I got it from somewhere else for a better price.
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posted January 27, 2008 02:50 PM
found it 280.50 shipped ... should I pull?
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posted January 27, 2008 03:24 PM
That is about what I paid.
I like the unit and now that I know how to use it I think things are going to be awesome. Remember you have to have a bluetooth stereo transmitter or dongle, I found a sony at Curcuit city for $80 that plugs into any mini jack. The thing is can go very loud.
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posted January 27, 2008 05:57 PM
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Not sure where it can be bought though,or if --
looks nice!
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posted January 30, 2008 06:29 PM
Sorry to hear about the helmet. I gotta tell you, I was not a fan of modulars until my Goldwing buddy told me about the Nolan. For a modular, it is pretty quiet. I rode with it to Tahoe from Socal on my Warrior and it was very nice. Not any louder than any other helmet I have. I have pretty much stopped using all my other helmets. Not to mention that the JM set is super clear and sounds great with the C14 and the Cee Baileys.
I have stopped looking at helmets since I had the Nolan. The JM/Nolan is the way to go. They are actually in the process of developing a headset that will fir the Nolan's little spot for the bluetooth. It will be lower profile and integrate with the helmet better. The reviews of the JM speakers are stellar. They sound the bes when it comes to music/phone and my NAV. Basically, the music will cancel if the phone rings or the NAV has to say anything. Overall, it is a seamless integration. Good luck on the helmet search BTW.
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posted January 31, 2008 11:03 AM
I have never tried a modular, and may have to give it a rip. Not sure if I would use the feature enough to make it worth while.
I spoke to the people at J&M about how far to embed the speakers into the Arai profile. I told them the story of the Schuberth and they had an interesting comment. In so many words they said that it is hard to get people to switch from Arai helmets because in their experience (they sell many brands of helmets with their systems installed and install them in anyones) that the Arai is the best helmet out there. I tend to agree, now if only they were the quietest.
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