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posted October 20, 2007 03:50 PM
Flyps finally out for good, mapped and piped!
So today, I removed the flies permanently, because I got my PC3, pipe and map. This thing rocks now. It finally has the power it needs, to make it go like it should. It should never have been shipped from factory, stifled the way it was; that's just fucking stupid and ridiculous (I'll tell you how I really feel). It doesn't have enough power even with the flies out, to lurch like a Hayabusa or a modded ZX14, but I can power wheelie her all day long in 1st at 3500 -- and I get some nice big-ass 2 foot wheelies too! Thing is, even with the flies out, someone who can't wheelie will be unlikely to get it up off the ground anyway; it may only get a bit light; but that's all. It pulls uniformly through all the gears now, like a proper motor setup should. It doesn't rip your arms off like the ZX14 with the same mods, or a Busa. Now it's perfect for 2-up riding, just perfect. The Area P exhaust is uncannily smooth and most of all, deadly quite, just about like stock, save a bit more noise at lower speeds, but nothing even worth mentioning. I must have dropped a good 15 lbs with that new can now, not to mention the drop in heat on the can, nice!
As far as all the noise about buzz goes, it's only a tad buzzy in the lower gears; when you're in 5th and 6th at cruising speeds at those same "buzzy" RPM's, you don't feel anything worth discussing.
Ted, BTW, I did get booted off the Corvette forums, BTW. They're so fucking anal there you can't fart without a mod interjecting -- fuck 'em all there. I gave my Ex- wife the 'Vette anyway, so I've got no need to go back there anyway... 
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posted October 20, 2007 07:38 PM
Amen!
Which map you using? The one off of my bike, or one you made some mods to?
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posted October 20, 2007 07:57 PM
Glad to hear it Steve. I'm VERY happy with the mod. What map are you running?
I got (for a little while anyway) a laptop today and tried a couple of different maps. Ended with Jerry's' and a little accelerator pump. Jeez now it is nearly pulling my arms out of socket when I want it to and will wheelie all too easily. Have to be a little lighter on the throttle than before for normal riding but I can do that, it's all in the wrist. Still very controllable and I love having all that low-end when I want it. This is a GREAT MOD and yeah the area p is sweet.
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posted October 20, 2007 08:09 PM
 Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 20 Oct 2007 21:10
I'm using a map that Jerry made -- works well and the engine isn't running hotter, so I know it's not overly lean. I've seen what a lean map can do on the ZX14 and you can see it on the heat gauge and feel it on your legs. The pump feature is nice; means you just twist less to get more...but I'm happy with the throttle sensitivity the way it is for now. My ZX14 needs use a reverse accelerator pump feature...LOL. It just lurches or snaps hard at any speed/gear/RPM...if you wanna talk about ripping your arms out,,,ouch! Wheelies in 3rd aren't uncommon on that machine. I have it set up with sprockets front and back...and the same mods as the C14. The TQ and power on the ZX are insane with that setup. Talk about chewing through rear tires...:P
The C14 is perfect the way it's setup now. I have everything I need and the last thing my G/F wants, is me to wheelie with her on the back...LOL
Thanks to all for the maps and exhaust info -- love that Area P!
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posted October 20, 2007 08:17 PM
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posted October 20, 2007 08:38 PM
Kerry, thanks for the excellent service from you and your family. The quality of the pipe is outstanding, right down to the flawless mirrored finish! It was a snap to install. I love it and will recommend Area P to everyone!
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posted October 20, 2007 10:24 PM
FBA ;you have almost convinced me, My biggest problem is time. Work is murder, Worked until 9:00 on fuckin Saturday. Here is the deal with me, I am an old flat tracker and a 2 stroke lover. I just love to run the engine up. I want more at the higher rev ranges. I would love another 1000 rpms of rev limit. I am constantly bumping into the damn thing. The Area P is sweet. So how does it feel up top? Any better? The bottom end really isn't that important to me. Let's face it the thing isn't going to wheelie out of corners so that is why I keep the 10. And I live at 4500 feet and throttle wheelies are going to be pretty much out of the question up here.
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posted October 20, 2007 10:41 PM
It has a tad more pull up top, but the gains aren't nearly as close as down low, obviously. LOL -- I can believe you're bumping the limiter, sort of reminds me of the SV650's I ride on the track...
BTW, even at 4500 ft, flies out will throttle wheelie the bike in 1st; I'm very sure about that. If you mod it, you'll see why I say that. One quick throttle chop at 3500 does it for me. No, it's not going to pop up like a 10R at 5-6K without help...or a ZX14; it needs a chop to come up, but it comes up fast! It's night and day now, but you'll still run out of rev's...
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posted October 21, 2007 04:04 PM
I suspected it'd be similar gains compared with our 14's regarding flies out.....
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posted October 21, 2007 05:45 PM
Map
Is the map your using available to download? If so I'd love to have it.
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posted October 22, 2007 04:10 AM
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I suspected it'd be similar gains compared with our 14's regarding flies out.....
SImilar yes, but not quite as drastic, however, no way I was able to pop up the front end before at anything close to 3500 and now she comes up like a knife through warm butter, just by chopping the throttle. You don't have to pull on the bars. The power gain is evident in higher gears too. 3rd and 4th pull like a bat outta hell at low speeds as well. Even OD pulls much harder now. The Dyno charts posted, show a gain of 11 LBS TQ in the 3-4K range, but I really feel it's much closer to 15-18 LBS, easily. Throttle is as smooth as it was before the mods. 2-up riding with the added TQ increase makes the bike much more "2-up friendly". 
Anyone who wants the map, just PM me...
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posted October 22, 2007 04:36 AM
Warranty or Warp Speed...Warranty or Warp Speed...Warranty or Warp Speed...Warranty or Warp Speed...Warranty or Warp Speed...
Decisions, decisions
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posted October 22, 2007 05:17 AM
What the fuck does warranty have to do with anything?
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posted October 22, 2007 05:37 AM
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Warranty or Warp Speed...Warranty or Warp Speed...Warranty or Warp Speed...Warranty or Warp Speed...Warranty or Warp Speed...
Decisions, decisions
Both I think. First of all this mod's not going to hurt anything and they need to associate the problem to the mod to deny warranty. They're not going to warranty an engine if someone puts sugar in the gas. Or if it's an oil breakdown related failure and you haven't changed the oil in 15000 miles. But they're not going to deny warranty on your kpass system because you removed your flies. If in doubt, put the flies back in and the pc3 out before you take it to the dealer. Worst case I see is that you'd have to tow it home and then again to the dealer.
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posted October 22, 2007 06:50 AM
Anyone notice their areap exhaust getting quieter?
I've got ~2K miles since the exhaust install, and I swear it's gotten quieter, especially at the low end.
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posted October 22, 2007 08:20 AM
Yes I noticed it too, just a couple of days ago. And when I noticed it I think I remembered Kerry saying it would do that after a while.
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posted October 22, 2007 08:42 AM
It's actually very common. The Silent Sport Premium gains loft after heat cycling so it opens up somewhat. The material compacts tighter against the shell, and minutely pushes away from the core (from the pressure waves). This creates the necessary area for maximum attenuation of sound waves.
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posted October 22, 2007 08:53 AM
Edited By: AllStingNoBling on 22 Oct 2007 09:55
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What the fuck does warranty have to do with anything?
I'm coming off a Buell, so I've learned the hard way that motorcycle repairs can be insanely expensive. 
I think I want to wait a little to see if anything serious happens to the bike, if not, game on!
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posted October 22, 2007 08:55 AM
K B,
Thanks for the response. Did not know that. Thought it was my imagination. It's actually a first for me for an aftermarket exhaust to become quieter.
One can definitely hear when you get on the throttle, which is all that matters.
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posted October 22, 2007 08:57 AM
Also, I'm going to pick up an Area P when I decide to get a new exhaust.
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posted October 22, 2007 11:56 AM
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It's actually very common. The Silent Sport Premium gains loft after heat cycling so it opens up somewhat. The material compacts tighter against the shell, and minutely pushes away from the core (from the pressure waves). This creates the necessary area for maximum attenuation of sound waves.
Kerry, regarding the packing -- how long till it has to be repacked? I like "quite over time". I'm not looking for roar on this bike, so that's a good thing for me!
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posted October 22, 2007 01:35 PM
I've inspected some at 12k and 18k miles and they still looked like new. Sealed them up and sent them back. I took a set of ZX14 Slip-Ons apart a few weeks ago that had about 9k miles and added about 40g of material (they come with 700g +). So really, almost no loss.
So... I recommend sending them back to us in the 10k - 15k range to establish a baseline for service intervals from that point on. That way you'll know approximately how many miles you should go before considering a repack service. We don't charge for our repacking service (yes that means FREE) so it's kinda a no-brainer to send them back to us. We'll inspect, repack, rebond the end caps, and replace the hardware. Normally we can service the same day they arrive to minimize your down time. And if you really can't have any down time at all, we'll ship you a loaner muffler to use prior to sending your's in. You simply return it after you receive your's back from us. All you pay for is the shipping cost.
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posted October 22, 2007 03:31 PM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 22 Oct 2007 18:25
Wow -- you can't ask for better than that guys! Thanks Kerry! I'm pushing your pipes all over the boards, here, Concours.org and to anyone that asks for a recommendation!
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posted October 22, 2007 04:31 PM
I'm really happy with my AreaP Carbonfiber muffer too, Kerry. I talk you guys up all I can over at COG and the ZXforums too!
Hey Kerry... check out my prototype muffler for the Concours14.. Maybe I have a future in your business? There's a thread here and at Concours.org forum
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posted October 23, 2007 06:33 PM
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They're not going to warranty an engine if someone puts sugar in the gas.
Please explain how sugar in the gas can cause a problem other than a plugged fuel filter.
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