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posted October 06, 2007 09:39 AM
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PCIII MAP for Area P, flies out, screen out.
Well I finally got it done. Area P slip on, flies out and the screen removed from the stock air filter. Just got it mapped at an approved Dynojet tuning center and here's the chart. I've got the map file too, but no place to save it online. FBA linked it to this thread two posts down.
And yes, it's SWEET. Smooth and powerful and a lot more low end pull than with the flies in. It's not overwhelming at all with the flies out. I don't think it'll power wheelie (though I haven't tried yet cuz the roads here are wet today). It does pull much harder in the 3-5 k range when you ask for it, but the throttle is silky smooth and easy during normal operation. This is a good mod and I'd advise anyone considering it to just stop worrying about it and do it. Your going to like it.
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posted October 06, 2007 09:52 AM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 6 Oct 2007 11:30
Nice wormgear! The TQ curve is more pronounced now over stock, I'm sure It seems as if your baseline runs don't run excessively lean before tuning. if I read that correctly...meaning that your mods, (aside from good power gains), could be done without adding a PC3, not like the ZX14 that gets 17,1 flies out without mapping and a PC3. I take it that the red line was your baseline with a Zero map before tuning?
Damn -- 90 FT LBS of RWTQ STD at 4K RPM...that's gotta be a huge gain over flies in...some serious pullin' power there! 
It should power wheelie with a front end bounce /throttle chop at 5K -- there's enough TQ there to do that.
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posted October 06, 2007 10:22 AM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 6 Oct 2007 11:23
I've hosted the file for Wormgear on my site -- you can all download it and unzip it from here.
Click here to download Wormgear's PC3 map
Wormgear, thanks from all of us for sharing and posting your finds! I've got my PC3 ready to go and have already contacted AreaP!
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posted October 06, 2007 10:31 AM
Edited By: wormgear on 6 Oct 2007 11:45
I wouldn't say that about not needing the pc3. the baseline run was the zero map for a zx 1400 after I manually added five bars rich manually to low and mid range, 4 bars high range on the pc3. Didn't want to burn it up on the way to the tuner.
On the first chart,The red line is after tuning and the green line is before tuning.
On the second chart the red line is after tuning and the blue line before tuning.
the chart was run in 4th gear.
The guy tuning it said that lean area in the 2-3 k range happens only when they WOT it. That at less than full throttle it follows the same basic line as at the rest of the rpm range.
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posted October 06, 2007 10:31 AM
Hi would you send a map file to emcdowell@ec.rr.com please- my area pipe and PC111 will be here tuesday thanks you nice map
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posted October 06, 2007 10:35 AM
Map is already posted in this thread dude...
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posted October 06, 2007 10:38 AM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 6 Oct 2007 11:41
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I wouldn't say that about not needing the pc3. the baseline run was the zero map for a zx 1400 after I manually added five bars rich manually to low and mid range, 4 bars high range on the pc3. Didn't want to burn it up on the way to the tuner.
The red line is after tuning and the green line is before tuning.
The guy tuning it said that lean area in the 2-3 k range happens only when they WOT it. That at less than full throttle it follows the same basic line as at the rest of the rpm range.
Right now, the lean area at 2-3K isn't bad at all; still shows an AFR of 14.5.1 which isn't bad IMO, so I guess you'd be right about the requirements for a PC3. I didn't realize that you had already adjusted the PC3 so heavily before you got there. Ignore my last e-mail to you in that case...
He wasn't able to richen the bottom end to 12.5:1 or so, or did that produce poorer results?
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posted October 06, 2007 10:44 AM
Thanks had a senior moment
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posted October 06, 2007 11:09 AM
Quote,
He wasn't able to richen the bottom end to 12.5:1 or so, or did that produce poorer results?
Reply,
I don't know really, The guy tuning it said that lean area in the 2-3 k range happens only when they WOT it. That at less than full throttle it follows the same basic line as at the rest of the rpm range.
He seemed to know what he was doing and I didn't so I just let him do his thing.
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posted October 06, 2007 01:18 PM
Revision, my first statement....
"I don't think it'll power wheelie (though I haven't tried yet cuz the roads here are wet today)."
FBA's response......
"It should power wheelie with a front end bounce /throttle chop at 5K -- there's enough TQ there to do that."
Ok it dried out for a while here and I just got in about 50 miles before getting dumped on again and HELL YES it will! It comes straight up towards the sky at 4k and damn near does a back flip at 5k. I'm no wheelie rider so that was more than enough for me. I get a nice low one about 6-12" in second that I can hang with for a while and that is way cool.
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posted October 06, 2007 02:28 PM
Told ya!!
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posted October 06, 2007 03:31 PM
Edited By: Stalwart on 6 Oct 2007 16:37
Nice job Worm!!!!!!! That ought to have all those nay-sayers over at Concours.org crying like the little girls that they are. 
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posted October 06, 2007 05:13 PM
Had to stir the pot, eh Stalwart? I just ordered the PC3 and e-mailed Kery for an Area P...now we're gonna see some serious shit! When ya doin' yers? Fuck the little pussy-assed bitches over there...:P
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posted October 06, 2007 05:43 PM
I'm trying to decide between Area P, because he seems like such a nice guy and the Muzzy dual outlet system, due out soon.
Are you going with the 2" core?
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posted October 06, 2007 06:20 PM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 6 Oct 2007 19:25
Yup and I only want one single pipe. No doubt, that will be better performance. I've never seen a dual outperform a single, especially in the low end...more back pressure on the singles and I don't want to add weight and bulk. I don't much care about the performance gains, as the fly removal will take care of that, but damn -- that stock can is one ugly mofo... and the DB levels on the 2" core are pretty close to stock in any case, not to mention the bonus weight savings...
He has the sound tests same as stock at 5K, but I'd bet they start to scream at 8k+...but, I can deal with that...just crank up the ole iPOD eh?
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posted October 06, 2007 06:34 PM
I know the single would probably perform better (depends if Muzzy's is a FULL system and gets rid of both cats) but I like symmetry, I can't help it. Noise is an issue too, the co-driver likes it kinda quiet after I blew out her ears with the Gen3 on the ZX.
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posted October 06, 2007 07:15 PM
I'd bet Muzzy's is a slipon...
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posted October 06, 2007 07:52 PM
From the other thread:
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Bikeland.org will be the first to know when the system's finished. As with the slip-on system, the full dual system will be available in oval stainless steel and oval carbon fiber with no badges.
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posted October 06, 2007 09:44 PM
Is there a writeup for the fly removal on the c14?
I got the same hardware due in sometime next week.
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posted October 07, 2007 03:32 AM
This was how i did the ZX14 and it's the same on the C...
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=25246
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posted October 07, 2007 04:07 AM
Edited By: wormgear on 7 Oct 2007 05:20
A couple of links to guide you through it.....
Remove the gas tank
http://www.concours.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=33182
the throttle bodies and flies are located under those two odd shaped covers shown in the 6th pic. Remove them.
Remove the flies (as FBA already mentioned)
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=25246
Heed all warnings about not dropping the screws into the engine. Use a long magnetic screwdriver with a good #2 Phillips tip. The heads are small and the screws are tight so make sure you have a good seat in them before you crank. I used my throttlemister to lock the throttle closed (you could use tape) as insurance that if you drop a screw it won't go past the real throttle plates.
Now that I've scared you let me say this, don't worry about it, it's easy. Just use a little more caution and planning here than you might for say, changing a light bulb.
Put it back together and you're done.
Put my map in your pc3 and you should be golden. IMO you could use my map for a muzzy (or other single slip on) and stock (not stripped) or aftermarket air filter with no excessive lean / rich conditions. Dyno tuning wouldn't be required but would give you optimum performance for YOUR bike.
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posted October 07, 2007 07:05 AM
On the previous bike (95 gpz1100), I've done practically everything short of mounting/balancing tires, and carb/jet tuning.
This doesn't sound too complicated, just a matter of using the right tools.
The bike is definitely a dream over 4K, but around town riding usually puts me at the lower 3K range,which is where I'd like more get up and go.
I don't care much for getting the front end off the ground, I don't ride like that. I do like to accelerate fast at times, so I guess just a bit more leaning forward to shift more weight on the front end might be necessary?
My gadgets are supposed to arrive on tuesday and wednesday, so I'll like do it all at once.
Thanks for the info.
Note: I subscribe to both forums, here and concours.org. I don't think the guys there are bad at all. Just different expectations from the bike. More on the touring side I'd say. I rode the other day with a fjr1300 rider and a st1100. Both could leave me behind in the real tight twisties. I have no problem with that. I'm a big fan of sweepers, but on the tighter curves, if I can't see far enough ahead, a mental block sets in.
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posted October 07, 2007 07:34 AM
I'd say just ride your normal ride. It won't do a high wheelie unless you want it to and do the throttle chop.
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posted October 07, 2007 08:17 AM
How suitable is the above map without modding the air filter?
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posted October 07, 2007 08:42 AM
Just fine I would think, removing the screen makes VERY little diff.
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