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posted October 10, 2007 11:28 AM
He was lazy. The fact that the AFR's leaned somewhat when moving from one range to another is proof. AFR's obviously do change of course, but good tuning minimizes the variance in the AFR and nets better and more consistent HP and TQ results. There won't be any piston damage as a result, as the mixture is fine, but there could be more power and better delivery in there, that you won't see because he didn't finely tune. It really wouldn't change anything at WOT, but most riders aren't WOT on the streets for the most part. The AFR's are fine, but correct tuning would give you more enhanced power and delivery of it as well as more consistent AFR's though the range, though it may not be that perceptible. All in all, I'd say the guy was only lazy and a bit inexperienced, not a turd though. Just my .02 worth. Enjoy your bike, you'll have nothing but fun with that setup now. He was right about the ram air effect.
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posted October 10, 2007 11:52 AM
 Edited By: wormgear on 10 Oct 2007 12:54
Thanks for your $0.02 there Steve. I'm thinking now that I should stick with my lazy map over putting in the M224-012 because it was made for MY bike and that I probably wouldn't feel any difference. No?
The bike runs great and I'm actually getting right at 2 mpg better mileage than I was pre mods.
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posted October 10, 2007 01:32 PM
That's not surprising, considering that you've unleashed the beast in the lower gears now and you need less shifting and twisting to get what you want. You could leave the map as is for now. Someone will post another map, which may save you more gas too and give you a bit better response...but you won't be fouling plugs with the "lazy" map; you'll be fine. You must be in awe now with the power you have in the low end! I think GTR1965 will have a map soon to that he said he would share.
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posted October 11, 2007 05:16 PM
Fba and/or Worm,
Timewise, how long did it take you guys to remove the flies and button everything back up?
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posted October 11, 2007 07:22 PM
Takes less than 60 minutes max; but I've done theZX14 before -- same thing.
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posted October 12, 2007 12:31 PM
It took me about an hour and I went at it real slow.
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posted October 13, 2007 05:50 PM
I installed the PCIII and uploaded the map, the bike seems to be smoother. However, I still have some popping on decel. Might have to bump up the 0 from 8 to 10. I will play around.
I just have the TBR exhaust on it.
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posted October 14, 2007 09:21 AM
Edited By: gpz1100 on 14 Oct 2007 10:22
Here's some pics from my before/after runs.
Full size scans.
http://home.comcast.net/~pw.2006/dyno_scans/graph1_basemap_flies_areaP_vs_fuelmoto-map_flies-out_areaP.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~pw.2006/dyno_scans/graph2_fliesin-basemap_vs_fliesin-custommap_vs_fliesout-custommap.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~pw.2006/dyno_scans/graph3_fliesin-custommap_vs_fliesout-custommap.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~pw.2006/dyno_scans/graph4_fliesout_custommap.jpg
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posted October 14, 2007 09:36 AM
AFR's are real nice...he spent a lot of time tuning the entire range, obviously. You must feel a huge difference. DO you have the charts for the TQ numbers as well? Love to see that,especially in the 3-5K RPM range. The biggest difference must be there.
Rifleman -- the pop in decel -- would it be in the 3.5-4K PRM range by chance? The ZX14 has that issue and it can't be fixed, unless you're willing to lose your GPS indicator.
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posted October 14, 2007 09:39 AM
Edited By: gpz1100 on 14 Oct 2007 10:44
FBA, I don't have the actual number numbers, but I do recall the biggest difference of nearly 11 ft lb being at the far low end (3K rpm).
Jamie did indeed go through the entire rpm range. A half assed job doesn't work too well with this type of thing. Either do it right or don't do it all is my motto. 
There is instant throttle response now. It's a funny thing. When I first got the bike, I thought the response was excellent (as compared to the bike I traded in - '95 gpz1100 82K miles, fully stock). After several thousand miles, one really starts to notice the weak/flat spots. Wonder what I'll say in 2-3K miles about this set up. Might need more juice by then 
Edit: Wormgear, where did you dyno pics go?
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posted October 14, 2007 10:02 AM
Edited By: wormgear on 14 Oct 2007 11:04
GPZ1100.
Shit, I did some editing at photobucket and it looks like I lost them. I'll get them back in, probably tomorrow.
Hey you left the screen in the air filter, right? Left you a message on the other site you may have missed.
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posted October 14, 2007 10:03 AM
Edited By: gpz1100 on 14 Oct 2007 11:04
Worm, nope, didn't miss your message. Responded to it last night
Screen did remain in the air filter.
Edit: I thought i responded... hmm... maybe not.. my bad.
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posted October 14, 2007 10:11 AM
Still don't see your response there but never mind I pretty much have the info I needed.
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posted October 14, 2007 03:03 PM
Edit: Wormgear, where did you dyno pics go?
I got one back where it was, can't find the other right now....
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posted October 14, 2007 05:30 PM
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AFR's are real nice...he spent a lot of time tuning the entire range, obviously. You must feel a huge difference. DO you have the charts for the TQ numbers as well? Love to see that,especially in the 3-5K RPM range. The biggest difference must be there.
Rifleman -- the pop in decel -- would it be in the 3.5-4K PRM range by chance? The ZX14 has that issue and it can't be fixed, unless you're willing to lose your GPS indicator.
Yes, its at that range. GPS Indicator?
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posted October 14, 2007 05:31 PM
Gear Position Sense
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posted October 14, 2007 09:12 PM
I'd say it's been proven conclusively that the combo in the subject of this thread does indeed add some significant get up and go to the low end of the bike.
As 3sacrowd stated on the first page, it would indeed be very interesting to see what kind of results are achieved with the flies out, stock exhaust, pc3. This would retain the ultra quiet nature of the bike, while still giving it the shot of adrenaline it needs. The louder exhaust will be a blast during the summer months when more of the rider is encompassed in wind to stay cool.
On long trips, with the CB +7 shield up enough to create the quiet bubble, the drone becomes somewhat annoying (even with ear plugs in). With the shield down (wind hitting the helmet), there is no drone. At higher speeds (70/75+), it's not much of an issue even with the shield up.
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posted October 15, 2007 06:54 AM
I just got gpz1000's map from Jamie and will install it soon.
Question about the accelerator pump function on the pc3. Should it be used?
gpz, was it on when your map was made? And is it on now?
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posted October 15, 2007 07:04 AM
Worm,
I don't believe so. Jamie never mentioned it. Frankly, from putzing around town yesterday with wader1352 (from concours.org), I don't think the low end needs any more power
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posted October 15, 2007 07:16 AM
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Ah, OK. I was paying closer attention this morning and I would say that the popping on decel is 2.5-4K
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posted October 15, 2007 07:36 AM
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I don't believe so. Jamie never mentioned it. Frankly, from putzing around town yesterday with wader1352 (from concours.org), I don't think the low end needs any more power
Right, I'm kinda thinking it might screw up a custom map. Anyone know?
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posted October 15, 2007 02:32 PM
No, it won't. The accelerator pump feature just moves more gas at lower throttle positions, I believe. So instead of twisting the throttle to something like 50%, with the pump feature, you could twist to 20% to get the same effect as 50% twist. You can adjust the amount you'd like to see. All you're doing is just twisting the throttle less to get more fuel into the motor. Now that could have a more jerky effect, just because you twist less to get more. You can try it and see; it will not affect your map. This is how believe it works anyway; call DJ support and ask them to be sure...one more thing -- don't use the buttons on the PC3 to adjust fuel, because when you want to go back to the custom map, you'll have to reload the map from the PC.
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posted October 19, 2007 11:59 AM
I finally got around to loading gpz1100's map from fuel moto onto my bike and I like it better. Seat of the pants tells me I've got more power, at least as much low end torque and it's more responsive than my lazy map with all the 8's. if you've downloaded my map it's ok and safe, you can still use it but I'd recommend the one from fuel moto.
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posted October 20, 2007 03:55 PM
"lazy map"...LOL
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