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posted August 27, 2007 08:46 PM
Almost need new tires
After 5700 miles the front tire is almost at the wear bars on the sides. Actually it is at the bars on the lower of the cupped areas. I have plenty in the center. The rear is better, but not great. I am wondering what to get, the same or is there something better. I am happy with the grip of these Bridgestiones, but is the wear good? I am used to only getting 1500 or so on the 10 but that is to be expected.
So is there something with as good handling, grip and wear out there?
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posted August 27, 2007 09:44 PM
What about the pilot road 2 I am interested in these since I loved the pilot power 2ct on the gsxr1000 they were confidence inspiring tyres unlike bridgestones I've had before .
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posted August 27, 2007 10:29 PM
On ZZR1200 (and other bikes) I've used Michelin Pilot Roads and they offer at least the same handling plus much better grip in wet and 30-40% more mileage! The original Bridgestones went slick in 10k km(6k miles) but with Michelins I can ride 15-20k km (9-16k miles)!
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posted August 28, 2007 03:20 AM
I'm loving my Pirelli Diablo Strada's so far on my ZX-14. I got about 2k miles on them and can't hardly see the wear. The grip seems just great too, will carry the front tire in the rain usually.
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TedG
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posted August 28, 2007 02:56 PM
 Edited By: TedG on 28 Aug 2007 16:53
It looks like the new Michelin Pilot Road 2 is the tire to get. The problem is they won't become available to the US till Sept. and then in limited qtys. The tests show that the Bridgestone BT-021 aren't worth a shit in wear or traction.
Their corporate stuff says they have been available in the US since May. Everything else says they are waiting for DOT.
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posted August 28, 2007 07:21 PM
"tire is almost at the wear bars on the sides. Actually it is at the bars on the lower of the cupped areas. I have plenty in the center."
TedG I sure hope one day I have an opportunity to go riding with you. If so I hope you bring the C14 and leave the ZX10 in the garage so I at least stand a chance of keeping up!
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TedG
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posted August 28, 2007 08:28 PM
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"tire is almost at the wear bars on the sides. Actually it is at the bars on the lower of the cupped areas. I have plenty in the center."
TedG I sure hope one day I have an opportunity to go riding with you. If so I hope you bring the C14 and leave the ZX10 in the garage so I at least stand a chance of keeping up!
I don't know about that, looks like you have plenty of experience. I'm just an old flat tracker. But I would love to go riding with you. If you came here I could show you some hairy roads. Did I say hairy, I meant fuckin hairy roads. Nasty little things that you look down and see 130ish and look up and see a yellow sign with a 90 degree arrow that says 20mph. Where wheelies between corners is the deal as well as black stripes. Yeah baby!
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posted August 28, 2007 09:25 PM
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If you came here I could show you some hairy roads. Did I say hairy, I meant fuckin hairy roads. Nasty little things that you look down and see 130ish and look up and see a yellow sign with a 90 degree arrow that says 20mph. Where wheelies between corners is the deal as well as black stripes. Yeah baby!
FUCK TED...that verbiage sounds like something outa penthouse forum. LOL
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TedG
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posted August 29, 2007 08:09 AM
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If you came here I could show you some hairy roads. Did I say hairy, I meant fuckin hairy roads. Nasty little things that you look down and see 130ish and look up and see a yellow sign with a 90 degree arrow that says 20mph. Where wheelies between corners is the deal as well as black stripes. Yeah baby!
FUCK TED...that verbiage sounds like something outa penthouse forum. LOL
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posted August 29, 2007 03:55 PM
Heh heh heh............you kill me Ted............... Hey, put the Pilot Roads on for now then grab a set of "2's" when they become available. I spoke at length with a Michelin rep at the
Dealer Show in Indy and he swore up and down that 95% of sportbike and sportbike touring riders would go faster, safer, longer with the Pilot Roads than with the Pilot Powers..................
Much faster warm up time, excellent grip all around and very safe in the rain with good wear and mileage. He didn't seem to think you could cup these tires if you kept any air at all in them.
My wife tried a set on her R6 and was very happy with them. Lot's of confidence she said.
Worth a try, especially at the rate you are piling up miles................
tuusinii said he got good milage with his ZZR................that's a good referal........... 
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TedG
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posted August 29, 2007 10:02 PM
warbird, so you are saying the Pilot Roads are supposed to be good tires? Hmmm. Think they are better than the Bridgestone BT021?
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posted August 30, 2007 12:12 AM
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"tire is almost at the wear bars on the sides. Actually it is at the bars on the lower of the cupped areas. I have plenty in the center."
TedG I sure hope one day I have an opportunity to go riding with you. If so I hope you bring the C14 and leave the ZX10 in the garage so I at least stand a chance of keeping up!
baaaaaaaa no worries heck if i can keep up and or pass the old fart anybody can...:-)
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posted August 30, 2007 05:31 AM
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Heh heh heh............you kill me Ted............... Hey, put the Pilot Roads on for now then grab a set of "2's" when they become available. I spoke at length with a Michelin rep at the
Dealer Show in Indy and he swore up and down that 95% of sportbike and sportbike touring riders would go faster, safer, longer with the Pilot Roads than with the Pilot Powers..................
Much faster warm up time, excellent grip all around and very safe in the rain with good wear and mileage. He didn't seem to think you could cup these tires if you kept any air at all in them.
My wife tried a set on her R6 and was very happy with them. Lot's of confidence she said.
Worth a try, especially at the rate you are piling up miles................
tuusinii said he got good milage with his ZZR................that's a good referal...........
Warbird are you positive you understood the Michelin rep at the show correctly regarding the tires, or could he have been mistaken? I read this yesterday and made a phone call because my ZX14 eats Pilot Powers fast but thats all I use. My Michelin rep (that sells me both Michelin Pilot Race and Michelin Pilot Powers) said the Pilot Powers stick better and are of a softer compound at the expense of faster wear. Its that simple. He said tests have shown that the Pilot Powers not only offer up more traction on the sides, but testing has proven both faster acceleration and less braking distance on the Pilot Powers over the roads on the same bike same test surfaces at the same tire temps.
Again I was hoping the rep at the show was right because my 14 eats those Powers, and thats all I use
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warbird
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posted August 30, 2007 02:10 PM
No way the roads will have the ultimate traction that the powers do. The rep was saying that MOST people would be better off with the Roads because of better wet weather traction, quicker warm up time, ( that IS important on a streetbike ) and longer wear. I don't think it would hurt to try the Roads unless you are REALLY pushing the 14 on the street.
I know you probably avoid the rain like I do....................... But the roads will outshine the powers quite a bit in the rain.
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posted August 30, 2007 02:14 PM
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warbird, so you are saying the Pilot Roads are supposed to be good tires? Hmmm. Think they are better than the Bridgestone BT021?
Don't know how they would compare Ted.....................but yes.........the Roads are good all around tires. Of course they are already a generation back of the Road 2's.................but if you can't get the new ones, the originals are probably worth a try for the price.
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"On ZZR1200 (and other bikes) I've used Michelin Pilot Roads and they offer at least the same handling plus much better grip in wet and 30-40% more mileage! The original Bridgestones went slick in 10k km(6k miles) but with Michelins I can ride 15-20k km (9-16k miles)! "
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Don't know which Bridgestone's he is refering to.........................
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tuusinii
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posted August 31, 2007 03:58 AM
Sorry, the original tires on ZZR1200 were Dunlop D220, not Bridgestones...
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posted August 31, 2007 06:48 AM
Had Pilot sports as stock on the SV and found them to give no feed back at the edge of traction and they sucked in the wet. Michelin Z-6's were more predictable, lasted longer and the best rain tire EVER. I don't know how they would hold up on the porkey C-14 though.
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posted August 31, 2007 07:25 AM
Well I think if I can't can't get the new Pilot Roads 2, I will get a set of the current Pilot Roads.
But I am going to try to squeeze all I can out of the Bridgestones and maybe, just maybe the Roads 2 will become available.
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posted September 02, 2007 10:28 PM
I am not sure I read some of these posts right, about the Powers. Having done a little amature racing, and never on rain tires as I cant afford to buy rain tires, I will say that the Pilot Powers are the only tire I have ever felt comfortable with dragging a knee in the rain...and I have done that quite a few times on the Powers. So I find it difficult to grasp something other than a specific rain tire haveing better traction in the rain.....again I am not saying its not possible, I am just having a hard time grasping it.....some one splain it to me please......
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posted September 03, 2007 06:25 AM
Drug the fairings yesterday with the Diablo Strada's. That's enough tire for me.
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posted September 03, 2007 09:33 AM
HDL I too am a Pilot Powers fan I have the new CT2s on my 10 and feel they are the best tires I have ever used. But they way I rack up miles on this thing I would be on my 4th set. I would be spending more time changing tires than riding. I need something that you can get some milage out of. The Pilot ROADs are built for this kind of bike. Also remember the weight allows for a high milage tire to stick very well. A soft tire just gets hammered on a bike like this.
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posted September 06, 2007 12:30 AM
I see where you are comming from about the mileage out of tires. I only get about 3000 miles out of a set of Pilot Powers on my ZX10. But the roads here are flat and straight here in west texas. When I was in GA I only got about 1500 miles out of a set. Now the 10 never gets street tires, I buy new Pirelli's Super Corsa Pros for the track, then ride the middles out of them on the street, and buy new ones. I have been using the Bridgestone 002's lately and really like those as well, and I get them cheaper than the Pirellis.
Not sure what I would put on the C14. I know the weight plays a big factor in it, as does the torque of the motor. Only heavy bike I have expierence with was my ZX12, and I used alot of different tires on it, and got crappy mileage out of all of them, and decent traction out of all of them. I have heard nothing but good things out of the Pilot Roads. I am hearing good things about the Avons as well, I guess they have come a long way in the past few years. I would have to try them and see first though. Let me know what you figure out Ted, I plan on picking up a C14 when I get home, and plan on putting lots of miles on it...suppose to do a cross country ride with my dad and brother when I get home from Iraq.
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TedG
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posted September 06, 2007 07:20 AM
HDL, for now I am putting on another pair of the BS BT021s because the new Pilot Road 2s aren't released yet. That should get me through till they are released.
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posted September 08, 2007 11:09 PM
Edited By: Hells Dark Lord on 9 Sep 2007 00:13
cool Ted, thanks for the info, keep us posted on what happens.....no sense in trying to re-invent the wheel so to speak when I get home....
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posted September 09, 2007 09:57 AM
Ted, you still have your 10R? I'm thinking about selling her and getting a C14. GF finds the ZX14 somewhat hard to enjoy, maybe the riding position for her, so it looks like the C14 will be my next bike, after the 06 14 goes in for an 08. Hate to see the 10R go, but the 14 would be a better all around choice for me to keep for solo riding -- and 4 bikes for me is just over the top, not to even mention the amount of maintenance required on 4 bikes.
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