Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted October 23, 2010 03:09 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 23 Oct 2010 11:15
quote:
Again Shane, you continue to demonstrate that you know nothing about what is going - this publication was contracted by Kawasaki to keep information regarding 2011 product confidential til a specified date and time - we've been in receipt of all the specifications of these machines for quite sometime. We honored the contract which expired weeks ago which is why this is bogus . The contract is up - there is no embargo - nothing to censor - hence the "issue"
So...if it is so "bogus"...why did you take the info down?
If you knew all the specs...why couldn't you provide the redline of the bike even just a few days ago...while other sites could???
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Spoke with a friend at Kawi yesterday and asked about the redline - they replied "geez I never really took notice - all I know is that it stops going before it should!". We laughed - that was funny!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I will wait for the bikes to hit the dealers, then we all will see the real deal...right?
Until then, we can all enjoy your publicity stunt, Fish. This is definitely an "Exclusive" report! 
As SteveBMW would say, "This thread delivers!". 
  
|
chubbynuts
Parking Attendant
Posts: 14
|
posted October 23, 2010 01:22 PM
I rode it, anyone who says the 2011 ZX10R is no different than a previous model does not know what they are talking about.
11500 or 20000rpm is not what this bike is about. Sure everyone likes to spout off max HP, but does that number tell you how the bike drives off of a corner. This bike is designed to make it easier for a rider to go faster than he ever has before. I'm not happy that the bike has been restricted to sell in our market. However I can honestly say that most riders that have purchased a previous ZX10R can't access the maximum potential of one.
This new bike changes that one glaring fact. With four traction control settings(off,1,2+3) governing over three independent power modes, average riders will be able to pull the trigger off the corner sooner and harder than they have ever before!
The ABS is so good that the average rider will be able to explore those limits as well.
So if you are of the ability and experience level to use the "restricted rpm" (and accompanying HP), chances are that you would also want to tune the bike to suit your riding style, and a race ecu etc would be on your shopping list anyway.
|
TedG
Moderator
Posts: 8222
|
posted October 23, 2010 03:34 PM
Edited By: TedG on 23 Oct 2010 23:39
All that doesn't matter. Case in point the ZX12, a superior motorcycle in almost every every respect to it's competition, but that didn't make one bit of difference. It didn't do what was expected of it. And no matter what they did, what records they broke, it was a sales failure. In this case the BMW has set the mark and anyone who doesn't meet or beat it is going to suck wind. Me I never change the pipe because I hate noise. I don't want to have to have a loud bike when the competition has one that I don't have to change the ECU and the pipe.
My 05 10r lives it's life banging into the rev limiter melting off tires and lofting the front wheel, I can see no reason what so ever to buy a new one that is "easier" to ride, A 10r is not for the common rider, it is for someone that wants the pinnacle of power and handling, The former being the dominant factor. If I am going to buy something, I sure don't want to be sucking wind wanting for more power when I can get that for basically the same price. Fucking Kawasaki, does it again, shooting themselves in the foot Like I said before if you cant engineer it to match the competition, you deserve the flop it is going to be.
ALSO I am skeptical that it has been neutered as badly as they say.
____________
Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
|
MJ
Zone Head
Posts: 560
|
posted October 24, 2010 04:28 PM
So kawaski censored the vids here on bikeland? They did the same with the vids showing the dyno numbers from the canadian shop I posted up as well. They're really trying their best to hide this whole restriction thing. Bunch of lying bastards. I suppose they'll sell the bike to the american public as a "full power" machine. That shits gotta be illegal. I've been riding kawi's forever but this makes me sick.
|
Wheelie High
Novice Class
Neal
Posts: 87
|
posted October 25, 2010 03:59 PM
quote:
Lee should get this bike and make it fly!! If I had the money to buy one of these bike I would be all over it.
LOL!!... Lee has his heart and soul in Suzuki! He doesn't get too into Kawasaki or anything else for that matter to even make it worth the effort of letting Lee touch it! If its better than the Suzukis you can bet your life it won't get any web posts on his site! LOL
____________
Straight line or bend it... I'm there!!
|
Wheelie High
Novice Class
Neal
Posts: 87
|
posted October 25, 2010 05:09 PM
quote:
All that doesn't matter. Case in point the ZX12, a superior motorcycle in almost every every respect to it's competition, but that didn't make one bit of difference. It didn't do what was expected of it. And no matter what they did, what records they broke, it was a sales failure. In this case the BMW has set the mark and anyone who doesn't meet or beat it is going to suck wind. Me I never change the pipe because I hate noise. I don't want to have to have a loud bike when the competition has one that I don't have to change the ECU and the pipe.
My 05 10r lives it's life banging into the rev limiter melting off tires and lofting the front wheel, I can see no reason what so ever to buy a new one that is "easier" to ride, A 10r is not for the common rider, it is for someone that wants the pinnacle of power and handling, The former being the dominant factor. If I am going to buy something, I sure don't want to be sucking wind wanting for more power when I can get that for basically the same price. Fucking Kawasaki, does it again, shooting themselves in the foot Like I said before if you cant engineer it to match the competition, you deserve the flop it is going to be.
ALSO I am skeptical that it has been neutered as badly as they say.
Well said!... As a matter of fact back when Kawasaki did that with the ZX12 it was on my purchase list! I desired the ZX12 but bought a Busa instead. Insurance kicked my ass!! But those were the days of real competition between the manufacturers. Kawasaki are the punks of the bunch when it comes to "any" type of regulations! Always have and always will be! They are so good at what they do but they always let a regulation or a rule pull them behind the line rather than ride it. I think it all stems from their aircraft experience and how they run things on that end. The Kawasaki is kick ass but everyone who knows Kaw knows it costs a little more to up a Kaws performance than any other Japanese bike. For instance, ignition advancers($60) vs ignition modules
($320)... Can't buy an advancer for a Kaw after what????... 2003??. The changes are there to be made but penny pinching can't be on the wish list. Kawai's will cost you a little more to boost but are well worth it. I've owned them all and for some reason Kawi pulls me back everytime but I have to admit that it was hard to leave that cross plane R1 on the showroom floor! I mean its one thing to be neutered but damn! You're going to be down that much in power after mods! If it wasn't for the fantastic deal I got on my ZX10R I would have bought the R1 and had more of a hard on than I have on my 10 probably. You can't beat the 10R or a GSXR 1k in raw power though. Accept the fact that no one man or administration can introduce and move regulations that aren't already in place. Laws and regs are everywhere and they always choose when and how the hell they're going to enforce them! You can drive 65 and 70 in a 55 all damn month and then here they go bust'n your ass for 5mph over for a couple of days and its back to 70 again! All about that $$... Money is in it somewhere for the US.
____________
Straight line or bend it... I'm there!!
|
Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted October 25, 2010 05:10 PM
The 12R was not superior to the Busa.
|
Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted October 25, 2010 05:13 PM
quote:
So kawaski censored the vids here on bikeland? They did the same with the vids showing the dyno numbers from the canadian shop I posted up as well. They're really trying their best to hide this whole restriction thing. Bunch of lying bastards. I suppose they'll sell the bike to the american public as a "full power" machine. That shits gotta be illegal. I've been riding kawi's forever but this makes me sick.
LOL, we all know what team you are playing for...
|
TedG
Moderator
Posts: 8222
|
posted October 25, 2010 05:22 PM
quote:
The 12R was not superior to the Busa.
In what way wasn't it? Every side by side test there was, the 12 just smoked the busa.
____________
Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
|
Wheelie High
Novice Class
Neal
Posts: 87
|
posted October 25, 2010 05:25 PM
quote:
The 12R was not superior to the Busa.
never said it (12R) was superior.... It was more desired than the Busa. I never really cared for the Busa but I bought one because of its performance numbers and reputation and I still wasn't satisfied with it! I sold it and bought a GSXR 1000.
____________
Straight line or bend it... I'm there!!
|
Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted October 25, 2010 05:26 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Oct 2010 01:35
quote:
quote:
The 12R was not superior to the Busa.
In what way wasn't it? Every side by side test there was, the 12 just smoked the busa.
WTF are you talking about, Ted? On a basic level, your statement is not factual...but, please don't tell me you base your facts/opinions on what is written in magazines...
I have a 12R, have had it for many years. You obviously don't understand why the Busa is platform of choice for racing.
You really don't know much about the hardware, it seems...
|
Wheelie High
Novice Class
Neal
Posts: 87
|
posted October 25, 2010 05:33 PM
Well he's right about the 12R!... From what I can remember the 12R was always just a step behind the Busa with the potential to best the Busa and Kawasaki dropped like a bad habit and introduced us to the ZX14.
____________
Straight line or bend it... I'm there!!
|
TedG
Moderator
Posts: 8222
|
posted October 25, 2010 05:33 PM
I owned a 2000 12r. This is not about drag racing, it is about the whole motorcycle. Open up your focus. These are street bikes, not track bikes. The 12 handled better than the busa and make more power out of the box, cat and all. It reacted better to your precious mods as well. 2% of people drag race their bikes. They do take them to track days ... but only about 4-5%. The rest ride them on the street.
____________
Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
|
Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted October 25, 2010 05:39 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Oct 2010 01:43
quote:
I owned a 2000 12r. This is not about drag racing, it is about the whole motorcycle. Open up your focus. These are street bikes, not track bikes. The 12 handled better than the busa and make more power out of the box, cat and all. It reacted better to your precious mods as well. 2% of people drag race their bikes. They do take them to track days ... but only about 4-5%. The rest ride them on the street.
Ted, I have about 18k street miles on my 12R.
I don't know why you keep talking about dragracing.
The 12R was made to compete with the Busa. The Busa's claim to fame was top speed...and Kaw aimed to beat it. They did not.
The 12R engine design...narrow bore centers, weak trans, weak clutch, small buckets, lack of case room for increased stroke...these are the things that killed it. Not to mention that it did not even equal the Busa in aerodynamics.
Did I mention the top-heavy handling of the monocoque chassis? The high CG, and tendancy to wheelie? Lack of flywheel effect (00-01), poor level of refinement (00-01)?
|
1badzx12r
Needs a life
Posts: 8321
|
posted October 25, 2010 05:43 PM
quote:
The 12R was made to compete with the Busa. The Busa's claim to fame was top speed...and Kaw aimed to beat it. They did not.
The 12R engine design...narrow bore centers, weak trans, weak clutch, small buckets, lack of case room for increased stroke...these are the things that killed it. Not to mention that it did not even equal the Busa in aerodynamics.
Did I mention the top-heavy handling of the monocoque chassis? The high CG, and tendancy to wheelie? Lack of flywheel effect, poor level of refinement?
ted as much as it troubles me to say shane is right .. shane is dead nuttz right on that
____________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
|
Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted October 25, 2010 05:47 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Oct 2010 01:48
Now, all of that aside, I love my 12R:
(Above pic after new motor install)
Now 1287cc's and about 200 hp to the rear wheel. And a street bike. 
|
SteveWFL
Moderator
Posts: 27920
|
posted October 25, 2010 06:33 PM
so the out of the box 1st gen busa's were slower than the ZX12R's ?
____________
2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
|
TedG
Moderator
Posts: 8222
|
posted October 25, 2010 07:15 PM
Edited By: TedG on 26 Oct 2010 03:23
After 2000 they neutered the 12 The 2000 was unrestricted.No wonder you think the busa is faster.
I had 33k miles on the 12 before I sold it and it only got beat one time by a 2004 ZX10r. I am a sucker for any contest of speed and have many friends with busas. The 12 showed it's beautiful ass to all of them. That is what I based my conclusions on. The only mods were removal of the cat and a K&N filter.
____________
Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
|
fish_antlers
Administrator
The Truth is Out There
Posts: 21894
|
posted October 25, 2010 08:07 PM
Loved my 2000 12r, but it was quirky as fuck.
____________
What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
|
TedG
Moderator
Posts: 8222
|
posted October 25, 2010 08:23 PM
I loved mine too. But mine was rock solid.
____________
Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
|
MJ
Zone Head
Posts: 560
|
posted October 26, 2010 12:09 AM
quote:
quote:
So kawaski censored the vids here on bikeland? They did the same with the vids showing the dyno numbers from the canadian shop I posted up as well. They're really trying their best to hide this whole restriction thing. Bunch of lying bastards. I suppose they'll sell the bike to the american public as a "full power" machine. That shits gotta be illegal. I've been riding kawi's forever but this makes me sick.
LOL, we all know what team you are playing for...
I know you love the new 10 and its "potential" shane. I agree, it has plenty of potential, but I hate liars on any team, even if its my own team. I've been riding team green most of my life, but the way they're handling this restricted 10 launch is bullshit. When your dream bike comes out, pick it up and enjoy the hell out of it More power to you. But don't try and convince us to accept kawi's bullshit approach to selling us this neutered 10. I know the US made them restrict it, but the US didn't make them use the bullshit backdoor tactics to sell it.........thats ALL kawi 
|
Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted October 26, 2010 03:31 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Oct 2010 11:33
quote:
After 2000 they neutered the 12 The 2000 was unrestricted.No wonder you think the busa is faster.
I had 33k miles on the 12 before I sold it and it only got beat one time by a 2004 ZX10r. I am a sucker for any contest of speed and have many friends with busas. The 12 showed it's beautiful ass to all of them. That is what I based my conclusions on. The only mods were removal of the cat and a K&N filter.
It costs $89 to remove the limiter on a 2001-2003 12R. There is no mechanical restriction on the 12R.
"I only got beat once" is a hilarious statement...you know, the Starbucks crowd talks like that. And to top it off, your only mods were removal of the cat and swapping the air filter. Yes sir, you know high performance.
I base my conclusions on street and track performance, and factor in the design limitations. The 12R has some huge design limitations.The 12R was hyped incredibly, and never lived up to it.
The Busa is a performance legend because of it's solid design which permits massive hp, incredibly stout engine, and fantastic aeros. This has led to incredible racing performance. In fact, this past weekend a turbo Busa went 278 mph in the mile. What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday...
|
Wheelie High
Novice Class
Neal
Posts: 87
|
posted October 26, 2010 04:41 AM
quote:
quote:
After 2000 they neutered the 12 The 2000 was unrestricted.No wonder you think the busa is faster.
I had 33k miles on the 12 before I sold it and it only got beat one time by a 2004 ZX10r. I am a sucker for any contest of speed and have many friends with busas. The 12 showed it's beautiful ass to all of them. That is what I based my conclusions on. The only mods were removal of the cat and a K&N filter.
It costs $89 to remove the limiter on a 2001-2003 12R. There is no mechanical restriction on the 12R.
"I only got beat once" is a hilarious statement...you know, the Starbucks crowd talks like that. And to top it off, your only mods were removal of the cat and swapping the air filter. Yes sir, you know high performance.
I base my conclusions on street and track performance, and factor in the design limitations. The 12R has some huge design limitations.The 12R was hyped incredibly, and never lived up to it.
The Busa is a performance legend because of it's solid design which permits massive hp, incredibly stout engine, and fantastic aeros. This has led to incredible racing performance. In fact, this past weekend a turbo Busa went 278 mph in the mile. What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday...
. ROTF!!.... Yeah you really have to know what you're working with if you want to find a bikes true performance potential. Or you're just a mouth with a brain who reads and repeats. I don't know what the hell will ever come out and be as versatile as a Busa and hold a reputation for 10yrs solid! Don't bring up the ZX11 because I had 2 of those and you'd best leave that thing stock and enjoy it as is! Manufacturers I think are getting more into the velocity potential of an engine in attempts of making it stronger and more compact.
____________
Straight line or bend it... I'm there!!
|
TedG
Moderator
Posts: 8222
|
posted October 26, 2010 08:35 AM
You guys talk like you and you alone are the experts and anyone that doesn't agree with you ... you start calling them names. You don't know shit about what other people know. You don't know shit about other peoples riding ability. I don't know shit about your abilities and that is fine, but I won't call you names.
I am talking about stock bikes that people buy off the showroom floor. Using that as a baseline. No mods just what the magazines will publish. Remember 90% of the people who buy these bikes don't know how to modify them. And 50% of those will just put on a slip on (if you even can on the 10) and you know good and well that is not where the restriction is.
As for the 12 against the busa, stock for stock the 12 out powered the busa. Most magazines reported that the 12 was their HP king until the 10 came along.
____________
Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
|
Shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted October 26, 2010 08:37 AM
quote:
As for the 12 against the busa, stock for stock the 12 out powered the busa. Most magazines reported that the 12 was their HP king until the 10 came along.
Yeah, and so you think peak hp is everything?
|
|
|
HOME
NEW TOPIC