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posted June 13, 2009 12:39 PM        Edited By: SteveWFL on 13 Jun 2009 20:42
Motorcyclist filmed death of friend as they broke speed limit

A motorcyclist chased and filmed his best friend at speeds of over 170mph before he was killed in a road accident, a court heard.

Published: 7:00AM BST 12 Jun 2009

Video and news article here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5507922/Motorcyclist-filmed-death-of-friend-as-they-broke-speed-limit.html
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posted June 13, 2009 12:55 PM        
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posted June 13, 2009 12:58 PM        
that's a misleading title... they were'nt going anywhere near 170 when the accident happened.
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posted June 13, 2009 01:04 PM        
Yeah well its what the article said. And it was an "indicated 170" and a true 156 or so, which we all know is about right for the Kawi. My ZX14 with GPS confirmed that.

The embed code sucked is why I put the url

But all that doesn't matter, that mo-fo is dead!
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posted June 13, 2009 02:57 PM        
He was riding recklessly. Sad.
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posted June 13, 2009 04:11 PM        
oh my! i wonder how his friend feels about witnessing the whole ordeal. Some people stop riding after things like that happen
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posted June 13, 2009 05:48 PM        
weird road car passing a car in a single lane with on cumming traffic the riders were doing it no prob . looks like the cager did it illegal also
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posted June 13, 2009 05:53 PM        
Surprisingly dumb mistake from an experienced rider.

If there's even a slight chance that a cager might loose you in their mirrors
and cut you off... well, we all watched the video.

Again, very squidlike riding manners around slower traffic- you would think it's
a teenage kid on his first sportsbike.

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posted June 14, 2009 04:13 AM        
In the last frame of that video it appears the rider came off the bike standing vertically to the left of it, just before hitting the oncoming truck. ouch!
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posted June 15, 2009 05:58 AM        
Tell me if I'm wrong, but I was always under the impression those diagonal striped areas that they were riding in when the accident happened were actually bike lanes? Isn't that common in Europe? I know it sure as hell ISN'T common for a dipshit in a car to pass another car in its own lane with oncoming traffic! Thought at first he was trying to cutoff the guy on the bike to keep him from passing him, but on second viewing he was passing the car ahead of him. In the same lane. Stupid cagers...

The whole article was BS. Just because sometime in the past they were speeding(minutes, hours, days, doesnt FUCKING MATTER) therefore his accident was his fault, and his buddy nearly got serious jail time for him dying? WTF? Stupid UK, no wonder all I here is complaints from auto and car mags when they go there, all the speed camera's and red light camera's and anti-bike mentality everywhere. Fuck me, but I have to say if I was British I would have to move to Italy or France!
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posted June 15, 2009 06:09 AM        
sticks I didn't read the article but my guess would be that the filming, and the planning to film, represented premeditation or conspiracy to drive at speeds deemed criminal, and therefore the other rider contributed to the death of his friend. I'm not sure that he could've defended himself in a civil suit in the US by the family of the dead man. think about it.
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posted June 15, 2009 10:31 AM        
sticks I have not driven in england, but have driven a lot in norhtern ireland which is also part of the UK. I'm pretty sure that is not a bike lane, usually those diagonal white stripes in the middle of the road are areas for things like right turns, although the one in that video is obviously too narrow. In Ireland it actually is common for a car to pass another car with oncoming traffic in the other lane. People are a lot more laid back there and usually if they see you want to pass they will move to the left enough to accomodate all three cars in the 2 lanes. It's nice cause you don't end up with huge lines of cars behind one asshole who is intent on tying up the whole road like we get here. That just looks like a tragic accident caused by poor decisions on the rider's part as well as a lack of attention on the cagers part. I think H2 is probably right that in the US the filmer would be sued or in jail for some kind of bullshit manslaughter charge, crazy as that is.

I also think there is way more anti bike mentality in this country than any of europe. As for the speed and red light cameras, we are just 5-10 years away from the same bullshit here. Look at the area around Pheonix, speed camera every 22 feet.
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posted June 15, 2009 11:59 AM        
" I think H2 is probably right that in the US the filmer would be sued or in jail for some kind of bullshit manslaughter charge, crazy as that is"

depends on how much $$$ the defendant has for an attorney
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posted June 15, 2009 12:23 PM        
If you spend $50k defending yourself, is that a "Win"?
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posted June 15, 2009 12:34 PM        
thats true, if you can afford the attorney you can get away with anything. The more serious the charge the more $.
The past year or so i found a good attorney for tickets here in pierce county. I have been hiring him evey time i get one. The results are amazing, about 6 tickets in the year and all of them dismissed with one exception. A 2nd degree neglignet driving reduced to improper lane change. All of them were fairly big tickets to begin with, 90 in a 60 and stuff like that.
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posted June 15, 2009 01:08 PM        
quote:
If you spend $50k defending yourself, is that a "Win"?


yeah, it beats saving a few bucks and soap complications


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posted June 15, 2009 01:24 PM        
LOL

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Nice Suit to wear in the courtroom - $5,000

Keeping your asshole unraped - PRICELESS
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posted June 15, 2009 01:54 PM        

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posted June 15, 2009 03:21 PM        
I dunno get it ???
What does the speed of the bike have to do with this accident ? Even without the bike in the way it looked like a tight fit ? I am not sure being bumped into on coming traffic at regular speeds would have produced a better outcome .... good thing the cager signaled and checked his mirrors and checked his blind spots before over taking the slower traffic.....

Hey maybe if the slow as fuck guy had pulled of the road everyone would have been able to pass each other safely ???

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posted June 16, 2009 03:16 PM        
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I dunno get it ???
What does the speed of the bike have to do with this accident ? Even without the bike in the way it looked like a tight fit ? I am not sure being bumped into on coming traffic at regular speeds would have produced a better outcome .... good thing the cager signaled and checked his mirrors and checked his blind spots before over taking the slower traffic.....

Hey maybe if the slow as fuck guy had pulled of the road everyone would have been able to pass each other safely ???



The biker didn't use his turn signal either... and there's only one reason he
couldn'd slow down on time when the car cut him off!

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posted June 16, 2009 04:38 PM        
quote:
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I dunno get it ???
What does the speed of the bike have to do with this accident ? Even without the bike in the way it looked like a tight fit ? I am not sure being bumped into on coming traffic at regular speeds would have produced a better outcome .... good thing the cager signaled and checked his mirrors and checked his blind spots before over taking the slower traffic.....

Hey maybe if the slow as fuck guy had pulled of the road everyone would have been able to pass each other safely ???



The biker didn't use his turn signal either... and there's only one reason he
couldn'd slow down on time when the car cut him off!




Well then at what speed would it have been safe for a car to vere into him while he was passing ?
at what speed would it have be safer for the rider to be pushed into on coming traffic ?

its the same if someone runs a red light and t-bones you while your speeding through the intersection. At what speed is it safe for a rider to be t-boned?


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posted June 16, 2009 05:56 PM        
Maybe I'm watching something else,
BUT the car is clearly attempting to overtake and it's
infront of the bike... he just had no chance to slow down
and has to veer to the far right where the car still clipped
him.

You are supposed to be able to STOP and not have to veer
around a vehicle due to excesive speed!!!

The red light example is comparing apples and oranges in this case IMHO
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posted June 17, 2009 07:06 AM        
Yeah +1, in FL if you crash from behind no matter what you're at fault. You always have to be able to stop.
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posted June 17, 2009 07:41 AM        
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Yeah +1, in FL if you crash from behind no matter what you're at fault. You always have to be able to stop.


In Fl and everywhere else in the world!
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posted June 17, 2009 07:53 AM        Edited By: dubious on 17 Jun 2009 15:54
In a case where a car pulls into your lane as you are approaching them from the rear, they have just cut you off, and since they were not originally in your lane, you were not following too close.

Unfortunately many people think a turnsignal is the right of way.... to all those assholes I say
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