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havabusa12r


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posted February 25, 2007 08:12 PM        
Rich's pictures.............








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posted February 25, 2007 08:19 PM        
We are having the same type of weather around here........

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Rich Miller


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posted February 26, 2007 10:00 AM        
Thanks Busaman.....and yes I hate you :-)
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posted February 28, 2007 02:38 PM        
Rich, I used to ride WMRRA and the OMRRA and WMRRA combined endurance events on a SV650. Loads of fun! Loved coming down to PIR, even tho turn (3?...Only real left hander) caught me out once. Would be fun to watch you take the duc out for a walk on the track. I'm in the process of working my way back down to a reasonable riding weight, so won't be racing this year. But I still like to come and hang out at the track.
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Rich Miller


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posted March 01, 2007 06:00 PM        
That's cool swift :-) Yeah, I just renewed my OMRRA license to keep my #73 ( It was my kid Jonah's # when he raced the Aprilia's for Spiros). I used to love SIR back before the bus stop, but it and Spokane present too many " problems" for an older guy in the event of a getoff. PIR is fast ( as you know), but nothing technical at all. How deep and hard can I get into T1 and T7 is the whole ball of wax there, and for the most part, there are fewer hard things to hit if you're down. T3? EVERYBODY crashes in 3 at one time or another, either cold tires on the left side, or afternoon "dust" offline in the afternoon, eh?
I'm not sure my peeps are doing the endurance stuff this year. Dr. Velocity ( the with the enduro bikes) is having some vision problems, and our 2 outings last season resulted in a crash ( me getting clipped in T1), and a mechanical DNF for the fall outing. Probably a PSSR day sharing the Duc with my kid later on. Should be fun........

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Rich Miller


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posted March 01, 2007 06:15 PM        
Blah Blah..... Picked up my factory rear stand today. Very nice build quality and leverage with a cool little handle that acts as a spokestop for the Marchesni wheel. Cool........ Of course I had to order the 12 point 55mm socket to remove the wheel. They say the factory manual won't be available until late March.
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Rich Miller


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posted March 04, 2007 06:57 PM        
So..... Dr. Velocity and meself checked the sag on the S today after warming up the suspension. I'm 170 lbs, had my Spidi crashmaster, Sidi's and arai helmet on when we measured. Unloaded fully to loaded with me and gear on 35mm....... So the stock spring is good for me. The Italian riders must be little fit guys around 150lbs would be my guess. For the track I'll bump the preload up a bit to get it about 30mm, but for the street, it's fine.
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posted March 05, 2007 09:12 AM        
....keep it comig, RM...I live my 1098 life vicariously through you
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Rich Miller


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posted March 05, 2007 09:23 AM        
Up to 400miles now, heading for the initial service and oil change. Motorwise it will be a little more fun getting to the torque at 7K and up. I'm impressed by the handling and brakes more and more as the miles get racked up. That's it for now........
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posted March 06, 2007 08:26 AM        
quote:
....keep it comig, RM...I live my 1098 life vicariously through you



Heh heh heh......................


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posted March 06, 2007 08:44 PM        
wow this thread was such a great read. although I have nothing to share except I saw a 1098S while racing at Homestead, and it had to be the prettiest sportbike I've ever seen.

Rich, I'd find it hard to believe the 10 9 8 bike outperforms your modified R1 on the track
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Rich Miller


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posted March 07, 2007 12:41 PM        
Well.....we'll see, huh? The old R1 is still potent, handles well, and is a handful when given the whip, but IF the 1098 truly does put out 148rwhp, that's 4 up on my R1. That and the fact that it is lighter, better handling with better brakes makes me think that the Duc will be faster, or at least EASIER to ride very quickly. I'm never going to throw this thing around at the track like I will a prepped race bike..........Too many $$$$$ to see fly away trying to get that extra second somewhere,ya'know. I've ridden it enough to know it outhandles and outbrakes the R1, but the motor part has yet to be confirmed. I'm not at all dismissing the old R1, but technology keeps marching forward and this thing is 8 years ( and the 1st of 4 generations of R1's) old, so you would HOPE that the top notch twin 8 years later would be good comparatively.
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posted March 07, 2007 09:08 PM        Edited By: worm~hole on 7 Mar 2007 21:09
....asthetically speaking, its too bad about the bead of welding on the otherwise gorgeous swingarm....what is it these last two sportbikes from Ducati and their visible warts?....1st the 999's third-eye looking thing in the middle of the windscreen, now the 1098's ketoid-like scar on its swingarm....I'm speaking strictly asthetics and I'm sure these were of the form follows function decisions...at least you could get an aftermarket screen for the 999 and eliminate the third eye, but it looks like there's no hiding the scar on the 1098 ....still its a sexyass bike like scars on guys maybe chicks still dig it
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posted March 08, 2007 02:36 AM        
No doubt some starbucks latte legend will get the rear swingarm ground back to smooth and chromed (or something similar)
Painted with flames would look cool.....not
or what about hot pink and lime green.....yum...lol
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Rich Miller


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posted March 08, 2007 01:03 PM        
Well...... I remember racing with guys on the origional 750SS desmo's with the silver tanks ( flies in paint no extra charge) and the rattle can looking sort'a teal paint........Their strength was motor and handling, all the cosmetics were overlooked. I would judge the 1098 build quality to not quite that of Honda's, but equal to some, and better than other japanese bikes. Not too bad in 30 years IMO.
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posted March 11, 2007 06:45 PM        
Went to a Duc dealer in CO between Loveland and Windsor... They had 3 1098's on the floor. 1098S - sold, 1098-sold, 1098 available! Sure is a piece of art, but damn, the seat would be more comfortable if it were a piece of granite! Awesome dash display, just a sweet, sweet bike. The only bike I'd rather have right now would be an MV.
I'd kill for a Tri-colore... dealer said he's only been able to get his hands on one though.

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Rich Miller


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posted March 11, 2007 07:48 PM        
Yeah, the seats a little thin and brutal ( I guess the R1 is now my GT touring bike by comparo) BUT the whole bike ( the S model at least) Talks loudly to you through the suspension anyways, and you wouldn't want that "filtered" by the seat, would you? Toughen up your butt and enjoy the ride! LOL
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Rich Miller


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posted March 11, 2007 08:07 PM        
Off tpoic, but so what? The 800 Ducati is SURE FAST!!!!!!! Even GOD riding the wheels off the M1 was hard pressed to stay with Stoner. Expect Yamaha to come up with 15-20 more manageable rwhp SOON. The M1 ( with GOD onboard) appears to be EXTREMELY stable under hard braking, and absolutely rails the corners.......... Ducati on the other hand, better address their weaknesses. Good for Ducati and Stoner, but it's early days.......
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posted March 14, 2007 07:28 PM        
keep the info coming! I'm gettin ready 4 mine!
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Rich Miller


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posted March 15, 2007 11:11 AM        
I'm scheduled for the 600 mile service Saturday, basically an oil change and looksee at fastners etc etc. I need to put about 100miles on between now and then, so I might ride it to work tomorrow...... It's STILL damn cold and dark here @ 6:30, but the afternoon temps supposed to be hi 60's. I should suffer significant shrinkage and ride it I suppose......... All the guys at our work site ( I'm an inspector on a big new hospital job), want to see it badly before I take off to Maui with my little honey for a couple of weeks............. Plus, I'll get to start exploring the motor :-) Yeah, I should quit sniveling and do it...
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posted March 15, 2007 06:00 PM        
Will you have a safe place to park it. I'd be nervous at a construction site.
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Rich Miller


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posted March 16, 2007 08:06 PM        
LOL Yeah, But I am actually fairly important at this site and Have designated parking right next to my window....... WEIRD to actually have a little status after years and years working with the tools :-) Anyways, it worked out VERY well today. I had to go inspect at our other hospital job in the AM, which allowed me to swing home around noon and take the 1098 to work. It got up to 72 degrees today, so I was able to put on about 130 miles. THEN when I arrived home, I checked tire pressures and oil on the R1 and was able to go over the mtn towards the coast past Missouri Bend through all the rollercoaster stuff and back to make a little comparo for myself........ Let's see #1, The old blue road warrior is STILL one fast, composed ride. Compared to the Duc, it feels ( as inline 4's do) so SMOOTH everywhere. Doesn't care about RPM......2500 in 2nd loafing through a little town? Butta....... The Duc is more raw, kinda' unhappy and surgy in low gears ( wants to REV and stretch it's legs). #2 Doug is Right about the mirrors on the Duc, they ARE worthless, you can make out what's behind you on the R1, but only know there's SOMETHING behind you on the Duc.......I'd forgotten #3 The gear ratios and shift throw are much tighter on the R1 with Graves rearsets, and the Ducs stock pegs are too low, forward and slick for me not to eventually change them.. I'm going to have to fiddle more with the stock linkage to see if there's enough adjustment to rotate the whole thing on the tranny spline to give my size 9 foot enough leverage that I don't have to forceably toe up my whole foot ( it just feels that way comparatively)#4 The Duc has to have the best brakes ever. I've got the racing goodrich braided lines with H&H sintered pads (excellent) on the R1 and I kept looking for the precise initial bite of the Brembos #5 Before the R1 always felt like you had the front axle between your hands. Now it feels VERY predictable, but slightly raked out, with the rear a megasecond behind it, in transitions. The 1098 flicks left and right so precisely and easily, but with no twitchyness, no falling in, no lag....... beautiful. #5 Yeah, I think the shuddering torque between even 3-4K is pushing the Duc forward more quickly than I'd realized. There is NO sensation of speed at all on the Ducati ( to me) in the upper gears once up past 4500, I think because of gearing and the smoothing out. The old R1 now feels short geared , I kept looking for another gear even when the R1 was doing maybe 90-95. The Duc on the other hand, has such a larger jump between gears, and overall, is geared SO tall, that you often are in 4th or 5th still doing 80-90 because the motors happy there around 5 and up#6 The Ducati by comparisson is raw, and feeds back A LOT MORE of everything that's going on under the tires than the R1 does. They are both a lot of fun, but the Ducati is way more elemental and animal, almost living by comparisson. Both cool rides. And YES, for pure pose, EVERYONE, whether they know anything about motorbikes or not, come and drools over the 1098. 600 mile service tommorow, then I'll tell you guys about the REAL 1098 motor .
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posted March 16, 2007 09:31 PM        
cool! thanks!!
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posted March 17, 2007 12:08 PM        
..raw vs smooth...like Kawasaki vs Honda, huh?...I like raw, but not too raw....makes me feel involved with the bike...
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Rich Miller


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posted March 17, 2007 02:53 PM        
OK...... just had the 600 mile check done, it's got a little over 700 miles on, and things are making more sense as I can punt it up 7-8K. All of a sudden, those WIDE WIDE gear ratios make sense :-) Lots of fast foward motion short shifting there. Like a giant reostat. Pretty cool. HATE the damn slippery pegs, but that's easy to fix. Going to Hawaii for 9 days, so I dropped the 1098 off at Dr. Velociiy's and asked him to put on some more miles.................Afterall, I've crashed his race bikes, and he lets me ride all his stuff, so this is a chance for a little payback. Anyways, Only negative was they couldn't erase the service code off the speedo unit. It's SO new, that none of the stuff they have for other Duc codes work, and shop manuals are still not available. The Ducati rep is coming into their shop next Thursday, so he'll have the fix.......... oh yeah, also, there seems to be moisture under the face of the instuments ( speedo) readout. Probably a warranty issue. That's it..... Ta
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