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posted December 10, 2006 02:14 AM
Well now that $15,000 buys
A bike comparable to a Japanesse bike. Lets see if all the Ducati owners asking rediculus money for their used bikes get brought down to Earth.
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posted December 10, 2006 07:37 AM
I dont understand?
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posted December 10, 2006 08:54 AM
they dropped the MSRP of the new 1098 to $15K ... a lot of people will have tough choices next season... why pay 13K for a japanese sportbike when you can get a Duc for 2K more?
Duc has also single handedly devalued all of their older units... last year people paid $20K++ for the old version of the same bike...
It would be like KMC releasing the 2007 10R for $5K
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posted December 10, 2006 11:20 AM
Holy Crap!!! that is crazy!!!!
they might sell a couple of those... man that means I could buy a brand new Duc for what a Used MV would cost....
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posted December 12, 2006 03:16 PM
Actually I was talking about all the current Duc owners that are asking more for a 1,2,3,4 year bike than a new one that will outperm their older out dated models.
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posted December 12, 2006 07:51 PM
Duc wants to sell bikes. It is a tough market world economy nowdays. I like the 1098 also the Hypermotard. We live in the best time ever for motorcycles 
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posted December 17, 2006 10:29 AM
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Duc wants to sell bikes. It is a tough market world economy nowdays. I like the 1098 also the Hypermotard. We live in the best time ever for motorcycles
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posted December 17, 2006 10:35 AM
I still don't know why you guys think that is that good of a price? I mean compared to Duc's in the past it is priced better, But you can buy new zx-10's gsxr1000's etc for 9000 so it is still 6000 more and fish what jap sport bike is 13000. Don't get me wrong I think it is the best looking duc ever and should perform rather well.
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posted December 17, 2006 10:43 AM
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I still don't know why you guys think that is that good of a price? I mean compared to Duc's in the past it is priced better, But you can buy new zx-10's gsxr1000's etc for 9000 so it is still 6000 more and fish what jap sport bike is 13000. Don't get me wrong I think it is the best looking duc ever and should perform rather well.
But the price gap is closing which could continue to trend. A lot of people were willing to pay the even higher prices of Duc's past, but not enough to make Duc financially strong.
The gap closing may increase Duc sales, and if so it'll result in loss of market share and decreased Jap sales. Jap prices are a result of mass producing and selling so many units. If Duc continues the trend and sales are strong, Jap prices may obviously increase. (Further closing the gap)
Duc may be a major player in the sportbike world and become known for something other than a bling look-at-me-bike, or as the Duc crowd calls it "an exotic".-
For the first time Duc has my interest regarding a bike with price/performance. For an exotic bike, it has potential to sell to others than the die-hard "Duc worshippers".
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posted December 17, 2006 11:07 AM
I think iMO it will be alot of years before the Japs have to worry about a Duc out selling them. Duc would have to get the maint. thing a hell of alot better before that ever happens. With the main. thing it still is going to be your Duc guy that buys these and don't put but 2000 to 4000 miles a year on it.
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posted December 17, 2006 11:09 AM
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I think iMO it will be alot of years before the Japs have to worry about a Duc out selling them. Duc would have to get the maint. thing a hell of alot better before that ever happens. With the main. thing it still is going to be your Duc guy that buys these and don't put but 2000 to 4000 miles a year on it.
Oh I never mentioned outselling, I said "take some market-share".
Outselling would be like Porsche outselling Toyota... never happen.
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posted December 18, 2006 03:47 PM
If we're comparing MSRPs... the Duc looks good for the bike/components on it.
In reality though... a new Japanese liter bike can be bought for far less than MSRP...which gives you money to do suspension, brakes, and wheels...
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posted December 18, 2006 05:06 PM
but then you're still left with a japanese liter bike...
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posted December 18, 2006 07:43 PM
Ya your left with a jap sport bike that will perform better every where. And you have to remember for 15,000 thats the base model price goes up from there. Still a sweet and sexy bike IMO
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posted December 18, 2006 10:25 PM
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Ya your left with a jap sport bike that will perform better every where.
please explain... this wasnt my experience when I owned a Duc.
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posted December 19, 2006 03:14 AM
IMO the jap liter ZX10 or gsxr 1000, will turn better lap times, 1/4 mile times, have a better riding position and be less of a headache maint. wise. But guess we will have to wait till the mag test come outs to find out. But IMO the duc should be compared to the other V-twins anyway and not the 1000 inline 4's. In that case it should kick the shit out of those bikes Sv1000, RC51 etc. and once agian understand I'm not bashing on the Duc it's a hell of a good looking bike and should rock. But IMO you have to really like the looks to spend the extra 5000 or more depending on model. Just buy one Fish and tell us how it is!
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posted December 19, 2006 08:01 AM
Bently... superbike racing in the last 6 years should tell you otherwise... the entire WSBK series fell apart because the ducatis kept winning everytime... the online joke was that they should just rename it the "ducati cup".
certainly I wont argue that the riding postition might be less comfortable when compared to some literbikes, but argue lap times and winning races and I think Duc has you beat.
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posted December 19, 2006 07:14 PM
Your right fish Ducs do kick ass in that series. And it might kick the ass of the 1000cc bikes in production as well. And I still think it's the best looking sport bike out right now. Just don't think the price gap is close enough yet for it to be a player.
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posted December 21, 2006 02:09 PM
I hate to even admit... I'm liking that bike
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posted December 21, 2006 02:37 PM
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posted December 22, 2006 04:10 AM
It is easy to kick ass when the rules are slanted in your favor. Put them on an equal playing field and they suck on the track. I own 3 so I'm not bashing them. But if they choose the v-twin and want to compete. Then don't use a crutch to win. They NEVER can compete with an inline 4 on an unrestricted field, cc to cc
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posted January 04, 2007 11:25 PM
If displacement was a fair measurement life would be so simple, but it's not. Horsepower capability is inherently tied to the rate your fuel/air mixture can be pumped through an engine. Thus for a given displacement, engine rpm determines horsepower. All engines are limited to about the same max piston speed based on current materials and lubricants. This means that for a given displacement more cylinders means shorter piston stroke which means slower piston speed, allowing higher rpm and faster rate of mixture flow. That is why a four cyl 750cc engine with 13,000 rpm redline has the equivalent hp capability of a 1000cc twin with a 9,000 rpm redline. They both pump about the same air in rough terms. Other factors apply but that's a more fair approach then the no-brainer equal displacement myth.
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posted January 05, 2007 01:34 AM
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Bently... superbike racing in the last 6 years should tell you otherwise... the entire WSBK series fell apart because the ducatis kept winning everytime... the online joke was that they should just rename it the "ducati cup".
certainly I wont argue that the riding postition might be less comfortable when compared to some literbikes, but argue lap times and winning races and I think Duc has you beat.
I rode the 1098 and I must tell you that it's more comfortable than the jap bikes.
I had no pressure on my wrists and no sore back. Very impressive machine.
Ducati are going to sell plently of them. It's another icon.
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posted January 05, 2007 12:33 PM
60ft 1.64
1/8mph 121.72
1/8et 6.23
1/4mph 151.89
1/4 et 9.426
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posted January 05, 2007 04:49 PM
ZX14 time, don't think you will see the Duc turn 9.40 in the 1/4 but I could be wrong
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