posted October 05, 2010 09:29 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 5 Oct 2010 17:30
Plus, Fish hates Kawasaki...remember the ZX-14 "follow up" he released right when the new Busa came out?
Now we get this headline:
"USA 10R A WEAK DOG...and some other kawasaki news"
posted October 05, 2010 09:46 AM
I just can't believe how much this thing costs, $13,799 w/o ABS, $14,799 w/ ABS and the ZX-14 is 1$13,599 this year. And people were talking about how much the BMW costs.
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posted October 05, 2010 09:55 AM
Edited By: salsa1 on 5 Oct 2010 17:56
[QUOTE]I just can't believe how much this thing costs, $13,799 w/o ABS, $14,799 w/ ABS and the ZX-14 is 1$13,599 this year. And people were talking about how much the BMW costs[/QUOTE]
Obama has been sinking the dollar..but not so sure why the extra big increase on the 14 ?..it is not changed all that much for 2011 or what??? mmmmm....will see...
BMW should be higher as well.....
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posted October 05, 2010 01:22 PM
I wonder if the ECU will have the ability to take a flash? hopefully someone will develop it and save some $ purchasing a Race ECU. My dealer called me this afternoon from out in vegas and said Kawasaki is stating that the 2011 zx10 is supposed to put out more hp than and other liter bike factory produced. So in a nutshell guess that bike is going to Europe! lol
posted October 05, 2010 01:27 PM
Well...
the US spec R1 (last gen) was down on power compared to the Euro version,
same with the CBR1000,
and now the 10r.
For anybody that feels like ordering Euro spec ECUs (or "race" units) and can justify spending a sh!t load of $$$ to even match the rwhp of a bone stock... say 07-08 gsxr1000,
a word of advice- don't do it.
We still have a turd of a 2009 R1 with TONS of mods (including the Euro ECU) that can't match the K7 gsxr1000 that currently runs a set of slip-ons and a PC3 and is designated as a "track only" by my gf.
I'm with Shane on this one- why lower peak RPM?
It makes no sense to me whatsoever,
but I guess we'll all know what the "potential" is when the top tuners start playing with the new 10r.
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posted October 05, 2010 02:21 PM
Edited By: RACNRAY on 5 Oct 2010 22:22
What is meant by lowering peak rpm relates to how the sound and emmission testing is done to meet our regulations. Honda did this on the 2008 and later CBR 1000's and is very easy and no too expensive to bypass. From about 10,200 to 12,500 rpm Honda SEVERLY retarded the ignition timing seriously killing the power from 10,200 and up.
First, the rpm that the sound testing is peformed is halfway between zero rpm and the rpm the engine makes it's peak power. If an engine makes peak power at 10,000 rpm, divide that by 2 and you get 5000 rpm. The CBR's make peak power at 12,200 rpm, but Honda kills the power at 10,200rpm. Doing the math means the sound testing would be done on an un-restricted CBR @ 6100 rpm, but instead the testing is done at 5100 rpm. Much easier to meet sound standards at a lower rpm and use a small,light single muffler like Honda did. The ZOOK and the R1 are not restricted but get by our regs with 2 mufflers, and the ZX10 has that HUGE single muffler.
On the Honda the simple addition of a Z-BOMB or a Dynojet ignition retard eliminator removes the ignition retard, we have seen gains of 5-7 H.P., and gains in power form 10,200 to just before the rev limiter.
As power goes up the engineers are faced with dillemas, how to meet all the regs, make the skoot light and good handling. The manufacturors will always make ways for us to bypass those items that restrict power.
I have been working on skoots for awhile and have come to learn a bit of how thet are made and what the manufacturors can and sometimes have to do. In some ways they do design and make these skoots with the full knowledge that they will be modded and raced and they do incorporate goodies that enable that.
The federal regulations that govern emmissions and sound output have been on the books for a VERY long time. In 1979 the first emmission regs were put into place on skoots. We now had idle mixture screws capped over, we had non-adjustable needles. Funny thing is all that had to be done is drill out the idle mixture cap and whala..there was the adjusting screw. And the needle, well Kawi had 2 washers on the needle, a thick plastic one on top of the clip, and a thin one underneath. All we had to do was swap the washers and the needle was raised about .060". I found this on most Mikuni carbs used on Kawi, Zooks and Yami's.
The dealer i worked for at that time was so worried about the penalties for tampering they stopped allowing us to rejet carbs. For each infraction of either exhaust tampering or increasing emmissions it is a $10,000 fine!!
It;s been this way since 1979!!
RACNRAY
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quote:I wonder if the ECU will have the ability to take a flash? hopefully someone will develop it and save some $ purchasing a Race ECU. My dealer called me this afternoon from out in vegas and said Kawasaki is stating that the 2011 zx10 is supposed to put out more hp than and other liter bike factory produced. So in a nutshell guess that bike is going to Europe! lol
ya - that would be the euro spec version LOL
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posted October 05, 2010 08:58 PM
That is the best looking bike in a decade.
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It's not that I think you're dumb, it's just that so much of what you know isn't true....
posted October 06, 2010 06:29 AM
Well... Personally I'd say the best is the 1098 - I'd put this at a tie for second along with the CBR1000RR which I think looks cool too. (but that's just me)
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posted October 06, 2010 08:29 AM
First it was the ZX12 back in 2000 when it was limited to 186,ph and now the ZX10? Damn this really sucks!!! Cali sucks too
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no of course not. but I beleive they will continue to bite into Kawi's market share, moreso this year than they did last.
and i'm talking globally, not the micro-small "US drag race" niche
Of course you believe that, Steve.
Just a week ago you were proclaiming the 10R to be the bike to beat in 2011.
Steve is just as much as yes man as he has ever been.. He post pictures with all those women to man people believe he's not GAY ! It's not working Steve
posted October 06, 2010 09:05 AM
Edited By: SteveWFL on 6 Oct 2010 17:09
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no of course not. but I beleive they will continue to bite into Kawi's market share, moreso this year than they did last.
and i'm talking globally, not the micro-small "US drag race" niche
Of course you believe that, Steve.
Just a week ago you were proclaiming the 10R to be the bike to beat in 2011.
Steve is just as much as yes man as he has ever been.. He post pictures with all those women to man people believe he's not GAY ! It's not working Steve
The 10R IS THE ONE TO BEAT.
The euro model.
and let me say a week ago when i was speculating, I really thought Kawi was going to roll out the ohhh-awww show stopping bike that would slam Aprilia and BMW anywhere anytime on any race track. I was wrong.
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'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
posted October 06, 2010 09:09 AM
Steve you have no spine... You are a sheeple that follows orders and runs your mouth about shit you have no clue... Some things never change
quote:Steve you have no spine... You are a sheeple that follows orders and runs your mouth about shit you have no clue... Some things never change
yeah, beleive that on your way back from the US Kawi dealer. And rethink it as you plan to spend time and money making this bike keep up with the USA BMW/Aprilia and Euro version ZX10R
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2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
posted October 06, 2010 09:18 AM
Edited By: SteveWFL on 6 Oct 2010 17:19
nothing like this internet herd mentality that says "attack Steve" for viewing his thoughts after reading the same shyte as everyone else.
Kawasaki has some real sheep huh, apologies if I offended. I'm not brand loyal to any. Proof of that is there's a Yamaha parked next to my Kawaqsaki in the garage and probabaly a EURO brand super-moto bike soon if I ever stop traveling long enough to get serious.
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2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
Can't disagree with that in the least, and the "praying mantis" look of the past few years had to go !
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2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
posted October 06, 2010 03:19 PM
Edited By: MJ on 6 Oct 2010 23:26
I know they've been SLIGHTLY detuning US bikes over the last few years, but 22HP??? and 2k rpm??? thats ridiculous I think the time is very near where we're going to see big changes in the bikes we're allowed to ride, and not for the better It really seems to be changing fast...the old snowball effect
And 14,799 bucks for the 10? You can get the bmw for that price. I thought kawi was going to try and come in under bmw a little pricewise? Not so sure about the 10 after hearing this new info. It may be a tougher year for them, at least in the US, then I thought
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posted October 05, 2010 09:20 AM
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I think the time is very near where we're going to see big changes in the bikes we're allowed to ride, and not for the better 
It really seems to be changing fast...the old snowball effect 
