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posted August 26, 2007 03:52 PM
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They also swept the podium (had to throw it in)
Where? MotoGP? World Superbike? Isle Of Mann?
Where else? AMA Superbike.
Oh that local amateur series 
Is there anyone still watching that? Is it still going? I thought it lost it's sponsors and fans, shoulda folded by now. Maybe next year then
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posted August 27, 2007 10:40 AM
You get a good enough rider on any of the bikes they will win. Its clearly the rider thats it. All of the bikes are so close so i dont want to hear about suzuki winning all the races.
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posted August 29, 2007 02:52 AM
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You get a good enough rider on any of the bikes they will win. Its clearly the rider thats it. All of the bikes are so close so i dont want to hear about suzuki winning all the races.
Yes all tealented riders but....don't read this than. Nobody stays on top forever but stil deserve props!
http://motorcycledaily.com/28august07_yosh_suzuki.htm
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zx12adam
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posted August 29, 2007 01:11 PM
I'm not too impressed with Suzuki's lack of competition or resulting Championships in AMA Superbike, people give them credit but rarely mention the continued downfall of the series in the past 15+ years. Ferraci and Muzzy leave, Russell, Edwards, and Hale take off, then Kawasaki/Chandler and Yamaha/Gobert pulled out completely, Gobert went AWOL, Hayden moved up and away to GP, Honda dropped their factory effort to develop stock bikes(instead of buying Ten Kate CBR's), and Ducati pulled out while leaving Hodgson hangin. Just look at all the sponsors, fans, teams and great riders that have left or even overstepped the series all together(Hopkins), there's simply no competition. Some come back with a half-assed effort(Ferraci, Kawasaki, Hale, Yamaha, Chandler) but half-assed isn't going to get anyone anywhere against a deicated full factory effort that's been together for over a decade.
At the same time Mladin, Yosh, and Suzuki have not only stayed together but signed Spies, developed traction control looong before anyone due to a "loophole" in the rulebook, injected more cash into their team as everyone else goes elsewhere, I'd expect them to be winning everything. It's kind of when Ducati had WSB and Honda had FX to themselves.
Can't blame them for taking advantage of the situation and Congradulations as well...
...but B.F.D.
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posted September 09, 2007 09:37 AM
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Look again.....185HP - not bad
And about 85TQ is ok.....for the little motor....
That is on a "Pinnochio Dyno" I've tuned 07 Gixxer 1k's on a dyno without the inflated #'s and have gotten 170 to 172 w/ MR9, full Exhaust, Full tune w/pc3. Same dyno, same mods on a 14. 185 to 192 hp all day loong! I've ran my 14 against those same GSXR 1ks' and watched them go up in smoke trying to keep up! Just ask Tru195..... He was a victim.....
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posted November 02, 2007 10:39 AM
to all., horsepower doesnt mean anything but only top end, you have too have torque to get you there.with a fine tune on the p/c and tou dont have to have a fuuuullll pipe either. lessons have alreasy been taught here jacksonville, fl. ......any replies too that.
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posted November 11, 2007 03:50 PM
Stock for Stock a 06-07 zx14 will have a difficult time running with a 07 suzuki gsxr1000. That 100 pounds of weight on the zx14 erase the big motor torque #...
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posted November 12, 2007 11:45 AM
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Stock for Stock a 06-07 zx14 will have a difficult time running with a 07 suzuki gsxr1000. That 100 pounds of weight on the zx14 erase the big motor torque #...
Do you own either? I've made the runs and I can assure you that an 07 GSXR1K will not hang w/ a 14.
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posted December 16, 2007 01:40 AM
I would have to agree with you a hundred percent on this one. Basically Yosh Suzuki is the ONLY Factory team out there right now. Honda America pulled the plug with HRC so there not even factory any more as did Kawasaki. Yamaha just got to concerned with supersport and got behind with development from not have any superbike riders in AMA and WSB which was for like what 3 or 4 years? Hey the rules for 09 are gonna be so awesome bc youll see real riders up at the top again, no more traction control. The Suzuki is so behind on Technology already i mean what was the deal with calling the 3 different ignition maps traction control? Its just a option for power delivery and guess what, Its been out on dirt bikes since the 90's. The only reason Suzuki even exists to day was bc kawasaki keeps them under thier wing for example GSXR 1100 was given to them by Kawasaki and there wera also a couple of other motors in thier too that kinda look like a motor thats 1300c.c. displacement that the whole GSXR line from 99+ has evolved from.
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I'm not too impressed with Suzuki's lack of competition or resulting Championships in AMA Superbike, people give them credit but rarely mention the continued downfall of the series in the past 15+ years. Ferraci and Muzzy leave, Russell, Edwards, and Hale take off, then Kawasaki/Chandler and Yamaha/Gobert pulled out completely, Gobert went AWOL, Hayden moved up and away to GP, Honda dropped their factory effort to develop stock bikes(instead of buying Ten Kate CBR's), and Ducati pulled out while leaving Hodgson hangin. Just look at all the sponsors, fans, teams and great riders that have left or even overstepped the series all together(Hopkins), there's simply no competition. Some come back with a half-assed effort(Ferraci, Kawasaki, Hale, Yamaha, Chandler) but half-assed isn't going to get anyone anywhere against a deicated full factory effort that's been together for over a decade.
At the same time Mladin, Yosh, and Suzuki have not only stayed together but signed Spies, developed traction control looong before anyone due to a "loophole" in the rulebook, injected more cash into their team as everyone else goes elsewhere, I'd expect them to be winning everything. It's kind of when Ducati had WSB and Honda had FX to themselves.
Can't blame them for taking advantage of the situation and Congradulations as well...
...but B.F.D.
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posted December 30, 2007 09:39 AM
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zx1k how much power did you pick up doing a custom map on an 07 gsxr1?
Heres what i got out of my 07 1k on dynojet 250i
stock 154 hp
two bros slip on added 157.9 hp
tsukigi full exhaust 162.3 hp
How much would a custom map add? 1-3 hp???
How much did the mr9 add??
same dyno 06 zx14 stock 157 hp
tsukigi full exhaust, custom map flies removed, filter 168 hp
same dyno zx12r with carpenter bigbore and everything else: dyno'd 185 hp
also 05 busa with 1397 and muzzy exhaust custom map 169 hp.
06 zx10r with area p exhaust made 158 hp.
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posted December 30, 2007 07:28 PM
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zx1k how much power did you pick up doing a custom map on an 07 gsxr1?
Heres what i got out of my 07 1k on dynojet 250i
stock 154 hp
two bros slip on added 157.9 hp
tsukigi full exhaust 162.3 hp
How much would a custom map add? 1-3 hp???
How much did the mr9 add??
same dyno 06 zx14 stock 157 hp
tsukigi full exhaust, custom map flies removed, filter 168 hp
same dyno zx12r with carpenter bigbore and everything else: dyno'd 185 hp
also 05 busa with 1397 and muzzy exhaust custom map 169 hp.
06 zx10r with area p exhaust made 158 hp.
I'm not in the shop right now but, I do remember the base #'s & final peak #'s
07 GSXR 1k
Stock- 159HP
Tuned w/ MR9 & full ti-force w/ dual cans & no a/c- 172HP
06 ZX14 Stock 167HP
Tuned w/ StreetMeg, BMC Race No flies & MR9- 190+HP
Ran these bikes side by side on roll ons at all diff speeds & gears.
The 14 pulled it cleanly & consistently. Riders were within 20lbs of each other.
Just a note: we gutted (valve & cats) the GSXR stock exhaust & it made 170HP w/ mr9 & no a/c. So was the 2hp worth $1400.00? Not for me. The ti-force system did improve the curve though.
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posted January 03, 2008 08:15 AM
An interesting comparison for sure. I've done roll ons and the Gsxr1000 pulls on my zx14 in a roll on situation(closer ratio tranny gears, lighter weight). However, whats important is my gixxer is geared one down in the front and 2 up in the rear. My zx14 is one down in the front. I ran both bikes at the strip and the 14 was consistantly running a .10 to .15 quicker. Both bikes ran almost the same mph in pipe to pipe configurations. Neither bike has ever had race fuel in it.
Everyone is gonna have an opinion, I prefer the gixxer over the zx14 because i already own a built zx12. For what its worth the the gixxer and 14 are very close in acceleration and the gixxer has all the other benefits of light weight better handleing etc. If i didn't have my 12 i would take the 14 over the gsxr because the 14 to me is the better streetbike.(comfort, torque,)
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posted February 09, 2008 01:39 PM
Man this sounds like saturdays on Beale Street in MEMPHIS ,THEN A 14 WILL BLAST A 1000 AND THEN THE 1000 OWNERS ALL SAY THAT THEIR BIKE IS ONLY 1000,Then everyone says shut up or get a bigger bike!
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posted February 20, 2008 04:20 PM
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They also swept the podium (had to throw it in)
Where? MotoGP? World Superbike? Isle Of Mann?
Where else? AMA Superbike.
I have won and lost too modified never stock bigger bikes. I agree tq and where it is at is a plus. However will not guarantee the busa/14 owner's a win everytime
I think the take away of the post should be the impressive numbers that not only this 1k made but all the litre bikes put out with 300-352cc less displacement than what a Busa/14 are making.
Take the same formula including the weight factor and apply to ZX-14rr, GSXR1400, R14, CBR1400RR what would you have? a bunch of raving, mad,salivating consumers snapping them up!
Fuck it, enjoy your investment whatever it maybe right?
The 14 is pretty much a giant sized 10 motor wise...and the 08 busa's engine (which was originally based on the 96 GSXR-750) is more closely related to the gixxer 1000 now than ever. The reason bigger cc's doesn't equal that same amount more power, in other words a 1300 making twice the power of a 600 ect, is the problem of rotating mass. A smaller motor will ALWAYS wind up tighter than a bigger motor with the same metallurgy technology. And more rpm's ALWAYS equals more peak power. Thats why a 1000 doesn't make almost twice the power of a 600.....and why a busa or 14 doesn't make almost twice the power of a liter. As the motors get bigger the real gain is torque...extra ponies are just a side benefit  But when you stretch a bikes legs out the torque really shows up. A liter starts feeling wheezy and revvy, when a 14 or busa is still pulling hard as ever. And same with a 600 vs liter. Liters are awesome for race tracks.....big bikes awesome for the road....and 600's are.....well...........uh.......600's I guess?
And I a side note god these are slow forums 
But I still lik'em
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posted February 23, 2008 05:55 PM
well said!
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posted July 27, 2008 07:28 AM
Ok ive listen too all this back and fourth!! I have a 07 zx14 my wife has a 08 gsxr 1000 I ride both bikes, my 14 has brocks,pc3, secondaries out, hers is stock. Gsxr in corners very fun bike, long hauls the 14, the gsxr is an extreme pooch on low and midrange. even compared to my 14 when it was stock with the secondaries in. The gixxer has good power at high revs, but not compared to the 14, so what it comes down to like smokin sayin yes the gixxer has a good peak hp # but what that equals on the street is by the time the guy on the gixxer is downshifting looking for the gear with his high rpm and peak hp# A 14 is gone, long gone and that number is not going to catch u back up! Both excellent bikes not bashing either one but if you beat a 14 with a gixxer 1000 congrats, you were it the right rpm and shifted at the right rpm, a 14 can shift all over the rpm range and stay right beside, I know its an old thread just wanted to give a little input, no bashing like both bikes!
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