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posted June 30, 2007 05:38 PM
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you know some you guys talk about backdraft kills aero.... MYTHBUSTERS.....Watch the pickup truck test on tailgate up or down
Drag, not backdraft, you used the wrong term. We aren't talking about fighting fires here. Firefighters worry about backdraft, engineers worry about drag.
What you are trying to say in the first part of your post is that drag, caused by bad aerodynamics, kills maxium speed and acceleration above a certain speed.
Also, the episode of Mythbusters, which you reference actually proves what I'm saying. The tail of the Hayabusa and the tailgate up on the pickup truck both serve the same purpose: keeping the airflow as close to the body of the vehicle as possible, and keeping it from separating from the body. The reason it is bad for airflow to separate from the body moving through it is because drag is created as the flow separates. Hence, the overal shape of the Hayabusa. That is what what the picture of the 'busa from the side with the Laminar Lines flowing over/around/under it is supposed to represent. The important part of the picture is the back of the bike, where Suzuki tries to represent how smooth the airflow converges, therefore, low drag.
So yeah, while I like the backend, my only issue so far, asthetically is the twin Concours 14 exhuast cans. Unless those things are actually hiding pop-out solid rocket boosters, that size makes no sense. 
  
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posted June 30, 2007 06:18 PM
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Hello, I'm new to the board. Been reading the posts on the new Hayabusa and put a deposit on an Orange/Black. I used to have a 2000 red/silver, but sold it a few years back. I've missed the effortless power and smooth ride so have been considering the purchase of a new Hayabusa or ZX-14 for a while. I probably would have ended up with a ZX-14 if the local dealer had a black one in stock. However, I'm glad I waited to find out what the 08 Hayabusa was going to be like. I like the colors and changes.
I know not many people here like the rear end of the new design, but it's all part of Suzuki's winning strategy. Who would want to get closer to that back end, much less pass it, after the Hayabusa pulls out front?  
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posted June 30, 2007 06:21 PM
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you know some you guys talk about backdraft kills aero.... MYTHBUSTERS.....Watch the pickup truck test on tailgate up or down
Drag, not backdraft, you used the wrong term. We aren't talking about fighting fires here. Firefighters worry about backdraft, engineers worry about drag.
What you are trying to say in the first part of your post is that drag, caused by bad aerodynamics, kills maxium speed and acceleration above a certain speed.
Also, the episode of Mythbusters, which you reference actually proves what I'm saying. The tail of the Hayabusa and the tailgate up on the pickup truck both serve the same purpose: keeping the airflow as close to the body of the vehicle as possible, and keeping it from separating from the body. The reason it is bad for airflow to separate from the body moving through it is because drag is created as the flow separates. Hence, the overal shape of the Hayabusa. That is what what the picture of the 'busa from the side with the Laminar Lines flowing over/around/under it is supposed to represent. The important part of the picture is the back of the bike, where Suzuki tries to represent how smooth the airflow converges, therefore, low drag.
So yeah, while I like the backend, my only issue so far, asthetically is the twin Concours 14 exhuast cans. Unless those things are actually hiding pop-out solid rocket boosters, that size makes no sense.
engineers use drag.... but ride a bike with a teeshirt and see if it don't curl that shirt up by your ears ( backdraft).... so if i got drag my shirt be at my knees ...right.....,.. so i dont care how a wind flow pic and engineer SHOW AIR FLOWING..just ride and feel
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posted June 30, 2007 07:07 PM
suzuki riders are closed minded. if a no name brand came out and pushed the numbers, I'd at least want to ride it.
kawasaki/suzuki/yamaha/duc/HONDA <---i like 'em all and whoever is on top for which eyar. I was hoping suzuki came out with something that would just stomp all over the 14.... not a lame "catch-up bike" thats not worth the hassle of doing the paperwork to trade my ZX14 in for.
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posted June 30, 2007 07:10 PM
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you know some you guys talk about backdraft kills aero.... MYTHBUSTERS.....Watch the pickup truck test on tailgate up or down
Drag, not backdraft, you used the wrong term. We aren't talking about fighting fires here. Firefighters worry about backdraft, engineers worry about drag.
What you are trying to say in the first part of your post is that drag, caused by bad aerodynamics, kills maxium speed and acceleration above a certain speed.
Also, the episode of Mythbusters, which you reference actually proves what I'm saying. The tail of the Hayabusa and the tailgate up on the pickup truck both serve the same purpose: keeping the airflow as close to the body of the vehicle as possible, and keeping it from separating from the body. The reason it is bad for airflow to separate from the body moving through it is because drag is created as the flow separates. Hence, the overal shape of the Hayabusa. That is what what the picture of the 'busa from the side with the Laminar Lines flowing over/around/under it is supposed to represent. The important part of the picture is the back of the bike, where Suzuki tries to represent how smooth the airflow converges, therefore, low drag.
So yeah, while I like the backend, my only issue so far, asthetically is the twin Concours 14 exhuast cans. Unless those things are actually hiding pop-out solid rocket boosters, that size makes no sense.
engineers use drag.... but ride a bike with a teeshirt and see if it don't curl that shirt up by your ears ( backdraft).... so if i got drag my shirt be at my knees ...right.....,.. so i dont care how a wind flow pic and engineer SHOW AIR FLOWING..just ride and feel
Dude, no, the shirt curling up is caused by drag. Backdraft isn't even a term, really, stop using it. That air you feel coming up your back, and pulling your shirt up is actually drag. in this case, the drag caused by your helmet . The air comes up, and over the top of your helmet, separates off your helmet and swirls around (Eddy Current - aka drag) up your back.
The designers of the Hayabusa worked their asses off to control that separation and swirling off the back (and sides) of the bike, to limit drag.
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posted June 30, 2007 07:14 PM
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suzuki riders are closed minded. if a no name brand came out and pushed the numbers, I'd at least want to ride it.
kawasaki/suzuki/yamaha/duc/HONDA <---i like 'em all and whoever is on top for which eyar. I was hoping suzuki came out with something that would just stomp all over the 14.... not a lame "catch-up bike" thats not worth the hassle of doing the paperwork to trade my ZX14 in for.
See, I'm coming off a lousy POS Buell, so the Hayabusa, the 14, or the K1200S are going to be mind numbing to me. 
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posted June 30, 2007 08:04 PM
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Ok. now I am going to have to be completely honest. I like the design. The 14 is no prize by far. The tail on it looks like some X-File shit and that George Foreman grill on the side gets me hungry for hamburgers every time I see it. KNOCK THE FAT OUT!LOL
Is Suzuki your God?
I was hoping I could trade the two-year old 14 for the new bike but nope. The slipper-clutch doesn't even make up for that ugly fack, no wonder when this thread first started there were no 360 pics of that crap
Is Kawaski yours?
It would'nt have made any difference what it would have looked like, you would not be satisfied because you can't' cope with progress.
actaully fool, I was hoping to trade my ZX14 for the hayabusa and have been patiently awaiting its release. I was expecting suzki to trump it, but they just closely "matched" it (yawn)
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posted June 30, 2007 08:29 PM
the bike builders all agreed not to make a super bike with more than around 178 hp that is it for production super bikes max HP it is will come down to after market raceing products.
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posted June 30, 2007 08:39 PM
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you know some you guys talk about backdraft kills aero.... MYTHBUSTERS.....Watch the pickup truck test on tailgate up or down
Drag, not backdraft, you used the wrong term. We aren't talking about fighting fires here. Firefighters worry about backdraft, engineers worry about drag.
What you are trying to say in the first part of your post is that drag, caused by bad aerodynamics, kills maxium speed and acceleration above a certain speed.
Also, the episode of Mythbusters, which you reference actually proves what I'm saying. The tail of the Hayabusa and the tailgate up on the pickup truck both serve the same purpose: keeping the airflow as close to the body of the vehicle as possible, and keeping it from separating from the body. The reason it is bad for airflow to separate from the body moving through it is because drag is created as the flow separates. Hence, the overal shape of the Hayabusa. That is what what the picture of the 'busa from the side with the Laminar Lines flowing over/around/under it is supposed to represent. The important part of the picture is the back of the bike, where Suzuki tries to represent how smooth the airflow converges, therefore, low drag.
So yeah, while I like the backend, my only issue so far, asthetically is the twin Concours 14 exhuast cans. Unless those things are actually hiding pop-out solid rocket boosters, that size makes no sense.
engineers use drag.... but ride a bike with a teeshirt and see if it don't curl that shirt up by your ears ( backdraft).... so if i got drag my shirt be at my knees ...right.....,.. so i dont care how a wind flow pic and engineer SHOW AIR FLOWING..just ride and feel
Dude, no, the shirt curling up is caused by drag. Backdraft isn't even a term, really, stop using it. That air you feel coming up your back, and pulling your shirt up is actually drag. in this case, the drag caused by your helmet . The air comes up, and over the top of your helmet, separates off your helmet and swirls around (Eddy Current - aka drag) up your back.
The designers of the Hayabusa worked their asses off to control that separation and swirling off the back (and sides) of the bike, to limit drag.
whats a helmet
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posted June 30, 2007 08:43 PM
this have drag..... http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=465941&cache=1
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posted June 30, 2007 09:01 PM
Don't really know what to say about that video. Looks like it would take away from the experience of riding being enclosed like that.
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posted June 30, 2007 09:16 PM
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you know some you guys talk about backdraft kills aero.... MYTHBUSTERS.....Watch the pickup truck test on tailgate up or down
Drag, not backdraft, you used the wrong term. We aren't talking about fighting fires here. Firefighters worry about backdraft, engineers worry about drag.
What you are trying to say in the first part of your post is that drag, caused by bad aerodynamics, kills maxium speed and acceleration above a certain speed.
Also, the episode of Mythbusters, which you reference actually proves what I'm saying. The tail of the Hayabusa and the tailgate up on the pickup truck both serve the same purpose: keeping the airflow as close to the body of the vehicle as possible, and keeping it from separating from the body. The reason it is bad for airflow to separate from the body moving through it is because drag is created as the flow separates. Hence, the overal shape of the Hayabusa. That is what what the picture of the 'busa from the side with the Laminar Lines flowing over/around/under it is supposed to represent. The important part of the picture is the back of the bike, where Suzuki tries to represent how smooth the airflow converges, therefore, low drag.
So yeah, while I like the backend, my only issue so far, asthetically is the twin Concours 14 exhuast cans. Unless those things are actually hiding pop-out solid rocket boosters, that size makes no sense.
engineers use drag.... but ride a bike with a teeshirt and see if it don't curl that shirt up by your ears ( backdraft).... so if i got drag my shirt be at my knees ...right.....,.. so i dont care how a wind flow pic and engineer SHOW AIR FLOWING..just ride and feel
Dude, no, the shirt curling up is caused by drag. Backdraft isn't even a term, really, stop using it. That air you feel coming up your back, and pulling your shirt up is actually drag. in this case, the drag caused by your helmet . The air comes up, and over the top of your helmet, separates off your helmet and swirls around (Eddy Current - aka drag) up your back.
The designers of the Hayabusa worked their asses off to control that separation and swirling off the back (and sides) of the bike, to limit drag.
whats a helmet
Can't help ya there, dude.  
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posted June 30, 2007 11:53 PM
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Another uneducated Busa owner, yippie!
Unless and until you buy a 14, you will never know who the real street sweeper is.
Wow. One post and one bad joke and everyone knows all about me. I'm impressed at your powers of deduction. 
Now that we're off to a proper start , let me point out that I purchased and sold my Hayabusa long before the ZX-14 squeezed through the orifices of the Kawasaki engineers' brain matter. Of course, If I had properly educated myself I would have realized Kawasaki would one up Suzuki and just waited for their masterpiece to be unleashed upon the unsuspecting world. However, I didn't wait and, admittedly, my previous satisfaction with the Hayabusa has influenced my decision to purchase the 08 and fore go buying the competition, the incredible Vespa, er, I mean ZX-14. Surely this means I'm insane, impulsive and probably stupid. Right? Well, maybe so and maybe not.
First off, I'm not into this bike is faster than that bike mumbo jumbo. In many cases it boils down to the rider and I don't have any illusions that I'm the best rider out there. I'm just into which bike is better for me. The ZX-14 has a lot of good things going for it. I think the riding position may be a little more comfortable than the Hayabusa. Looks like the mirrors are better placed. You can cook a hotdog tied to your leg and eat it for lunch after a long ride, etc. I wasn't thrilled with the colors offered this year, though I've only seen the LE and blue.
I'm taking a chance with the new 08 Hayabusa because all I have to go on is the specs, a few photos, and my experience with the previous incarnation of the motorcycle. If it's at all like it's predecessor it will have awesome torque down low and pull at any speed. I ride my motorcycles on the street. I like torque. I like power in the rev range that I will use most of the time (down low). I wasn't too thrilled with having to remove the flies on the ZX-14 to get the most low end torque. The B-King looks like it has even more low end torque which makes it a tempting bike, but I like the styling of the Hayabusa better.
Yes, I'm being nitpicky about the bikes and Kawasaki may make improvements in the ZX-14 for next year's model. The 08 Hayabusa won't arrive until Setpember/October so I may still decide to cancel my order given new information prior to that time. We'll just have to see. I still have time to be educated.
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posted July 01, 2007 12:01 AM
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Better not throw that Vespa word around too loosly. Last time I checked, the ass end of your 08 Busa looked identical to that scooter. I know the pics are floating around.
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posted July 01, 2007 01:22 AM
I've been reading for a while now trying to figure out what was so ugly about the rear end and holy shit! Somebody posted a pic. Now I have to call in sick. My stomach is turning still. That shit is cruel an unusual punishment. Now I have a better reason to stay in front of whatever that is. Thumbs Down to that design. As for the front. I guess....
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posted July 01, 2007 01:23 AM
by the way, what is it with putting these bronze colored rims on blue bikes. Did I miss something?
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posted July 01, 2007 04:33 AM
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Don't really know what to say about that video. Looks like it would take away from the experience of riding being enclosed like that.
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posted July 02, 2007 01:58 AM
If you're not going to buy a busa no matter what, then why do you guys care how ugly, fast, or slow it is?
It does not change the fact of what you are riding?
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posted July 02, 2007 06:34 AM
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If you're not going to buy a busa no matter what, then why do you guys care how ugly, fast, or slow it is?
It does not change the fact of what you are riding?
Some of us were hoping Suzuki would come out with a bike that would truly be a milestone ahead of the 14. I wanted to trade my 14, its over a year old. So I'm down that the Suzuki isn't just a little more HP a little less weight and a little better looking. I'm not trading (for the Suzuki, anyway). I'm holding out to see what else happens for '08
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posted July 02, 2007 06:51 AM
Pride in what you ride. First and foremost.
Second, riders may argue about who this and that, but we always stick together in a crisis.
When you see a bike broke down, do you look at the name plate before you stop to give assistance, I don't. We are a different breed the the ho-hum daily commuter. Kawasaki, Suzuki, etc, enjoy the ride. There IS ALWAYS someone newer, faster, neater.
Last, just have fun!
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posted July 02, 2007 07:00 AM
"Second, riders may argue about who this and that, but we always stick together in a crisis.
When you see a bike broke down,"
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that is two entirely seperate topics from what bike is in my garage or the topic of the thread.
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posted July 02, 2007 08:57 AM
Edited By: flyboy on 2 Jul 2007 10:06
It appears to me that the only thing different in the engine is they ported it out. To change the engine drastically would have cost, I'm guessing 20m to 40 million dollars in re-tooling costs and I currently don't see the Busas selling off the shelves like i-phones. As for aerodynamics they hit the nail on the head. It's great and well thought out. Ugly, probably but very aerodynamic. Can anyone confirm if this seat holds two people?
In regard to Bonneville and land speed racing, they won't be in the 14's 1650 class. The 14 holds the World record at Bonneville as the fastest stock bike of any class. Last year the stock Busas were 15 mph slower. Maybe with their new engine and "twin swril chambers"-- they will only be 10 mph slower.
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posted July 02, 2007 12:53 PM
My comment was directed towards the KAWK suckers who were not going to buy the busa, no matter what.
'Running down' the new busa won't make the 12/14 any better.
I too am disappointed in Suzi, but since I have no idea how it runs, I can't really comment on the specs.
I'll probably get the orange one...........
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posted July 03, 2007 11:16 AM
I cant wait to see Kawasaki's reply......09' its slated for apparently, and from what I heard they dont need to tinker around with the bore....happy days ahead!
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posted July 03, 2007 11:25 AM
and while am at it.. I wonder why someone doesnt use the frame from the CBR 600 F4i, with a 1098 from duc thrown in for good measure. That should be a pretty sweet track / road tool..... ( wrong section, I know, but was just wondering... both the kwacker and the Busa arent exactly easy on the knees / shoulder.... )
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