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posted December 16, 2014 02:35 PM
Competition CNC WHY
Sitting here deciding how I want to handle this situation. I know most start with money as a reason, some go with mechanical failure, but I'm different so this will go differently. I'm all about principles, if your a man of your word and tell the truth many situations can be avoided. A famous quote : it's the secrets and misconceptions that lead to dangerous situations:.
If you tell someone that your going to do something, if you say that you have done something, if you have never done what you say, then why say it?
I'm hoping for a reasonable solution, but what is reasonable when it only benefits the party that caused the issue in the first place. I have dealt with the accusations that I have no clue to what I'm doing, taken the jab at my inability to perform basic mechanics of a 10 year old. Now that it's not on me at all, just my money and much of my time on a false claim, where do I go from here
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posted December 16, 2014 03:03 PM
Just a little vague but maybe you are saying you have a problem with a machined head?
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posted December 16, 2014 03:20 PM
dont get it.; Jim's a very talented guy. Is there an issue that can be described with less pronouns?
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posted December 25, 2014 11:54 PM
Well it started when a friend of mine spoke highly of Jim and his headwork on the ZX14. Now I haven’t had a Kawasaki since 2007 and that was a ZX12. I did some research on the internet and found a few posts about CNC and seemed to all be positive. Well I didn’t want my bike tore down for long periods of time so no reason to really mess with it. Well friend of mine stated those words that cause most to do things their mind is saying not to do. “ I have a spare head that I can send to him and you can just return your head to me once it’s finished”.
I called and spoke to Jim at length about what could be done and how long. Wanted to do a Super Sport Head (SSH) and porting. Jim assured me this was a common practice and the bike should make about 220 or more on pump gas. His words “ we do this all the time and it’s a proven package, I have done many of these and you can keep stock cams with no issues at all”. Okay sounds great I figured. How long will it take was my next question. One week Jim assured me, it will take a week and you will see it the following week.
I spoke with my friend about what we discussed and he replied “ man I have it already boxed up, will drop it off at the post office and let’s get this thing going”. Well I have the upcoming 3 weeks off so this should work out fine. Jim will take a week to do the head, that leaves me about a week and a half to switch heads and get the bike to the dyno for tuning. The head was shipped to CNC and I called Jim to inform him it was on the way. I asked him for the price and could not get an answer on the phone. He stated he had to email me the invoice, can post if necessary,
Looked over the invoice and it was much higher than I expected. Told Jim that I didn’t want the throttle bodies and might try them at a later date but not in my plans for now since the motor is stock. We went over the entire invoice again and agreed to the job. Still don’t understand why the price couldn’t be given over the phone and this is the first time ever having this done by a company. The head was shipped and I headed to the post office to get the money orders and have them on the way so there wouldn’t be any issues.
Contacted Jim Monday and he stated the head was there and he would have it done within the week. I told him the money orders should be there Tuesday, Wednesday at the latest depending on the mail. No problem and he assured me the head would be done and sent out Friday. Great since I was on leave for the next 3 weeks things should go fine.
Called Jim that Friday to see how things went and to get a tracking number to make sure I would be home for the delivery. Jim informed me that he did not start on the head yet. He has the money, the head and cams are fine, but no work. Stated he would have it done next week and not to worry. I reminded him that I was told it would be this week and I’m on a tight schedule. He reassured me it would be next week and not to worry, you’re going to love this head.
Well I call again on Friday, lost two weeks of leave not being able to get this done and next week is the last free week that I have. Jim tells me that he still has not started on the head and his wife was sick. Now I understand that issues come up that is out of our control, but you stated that it would be done. No phone call, no email or any type of communication to your customers. I’m not cold hearted at all but I do feel some sort of message could be given letting me know not this week either. After all he promised me 1 week and he didn’t even bother to touch it.
Third week of leave and no head or phone call from Jim. I called on Friday to see what BS excuse I would get now since I feel his word means nothing at all. Well there is another excuse from Jim which I already expected. He just ordered a new valve machine and it will be set up next week. Now I didn’t ask what happened to the old valve machine that I would presume was going to be used when he told me a week for the head. Since my leave was up it really doesn’t matter at this point. Not like I have free time to mess with the bike. He still hadn’t touched the head. Now I’m on the pissed side of this ordeal but hey, such is life.
I call the following Friday expecting something to be done. Heck at least take the thing apart and clean it or something. Spoke with Jim and no work has been performed. He stated that the new valve machine has arrived and someone is supposed to set it up next week and give a class on it. He wants to use the machine to do this head. What the heck, only been there about a month now. Missed my opportunity to complete the swap while I was on leave, no idea when its going to comeback but I’m pissed at the lie that he told to get my business. If I was told that you send me your head and money and I’ll get it done in about a month or so this wouldn’t be a problem. Only thing positive about this is my bike is still together.
Another week goes by and I make my normal Friday call to CNC to see how much of the shaft he’s going to give me this week. States the new machine is awesome and he will do the head next week. I’m tired of dealing with Jim now so I state that I will have someone else do the head. It’s been over a month and he hasn’t done anything to the head but give excuses. Just send back the head and my money and ill take another approach to this.
Monday I check my email while at work. There is an email from Jim stating the head came out great. This new machine held .002 on the valves and I’m going to be pleased with the head. Thanks for having the patience and he looks forward to hearing the results. Now I’m lost because it seems that asking for my money back caused the head to get done.
Later during the week the head shows up. Open the box and look it over to see what was done. Looked clean and since I never seen a 14 head before, really didn’t know what I was looking at. I know they come hand ported but didn’t see anything special about this one. Asked a zx14r guru buddy of mine about the head and he stated it looked okay, give it a try.
My schedule is limited during the week and I have a 40x36 garage I’m constructing that takes up my weekends. During the week I break the bike down and get the head off. Looking at the stock head in comparison to the CNC head doesn’t really show much of a difference. I see the exhaust has a major difference but the intake looks similar. There are a few light scratches on the intake valve guides where the machine brushed up against them but that’s it.
I called Jim and had a few questions about the head and any cam numbers that he recommended. He was adamant about 110/108 and with MRX02 he would like to know what HP it makes. I stated to him again that I run pump gas since it’s my street bike but I would give it a try. He gave a few PTV clearances to check for and that ended that conversation.
Well degreed the cams in per his numbers and checked the valve clearance. 10 of the valves are out of tolerance. Most are too tight but a few are on the loose side. Now I was charged for bench shimming but for some reason they are not right. Removing the buckets I can see HOT CAMS shims in the bike so I know something was done. Moved a few around and had to get a few from a fellow 14R buddy and put the bike back together. Fired right up and had a nice little lope to it. Then again it always had a nice little lope to it. Made sure all was okay with no leaks and called to make an appointment to get the bike tuned. Now the bike previously made a 207 pull in the summer heat. It was 91 degrees outside and it put down 207/130 on an MPJ dyno. AFR was holding strong at 13.2
Took a day off from work, just recently came off 3 weeks of leave but the only way to get the thing tuned was during work hours. Arrived at the dyno the bike was first on to keep the comparison close as possible to see the HP gains. Strapped the bike down and did a few warm up pulls, nothing hard just getting the bike warm. Two HP pulls and there is a major problem.
Now I never stated what was done to the bike, just told the operator I wanted to make a few pulls since the weather had changed. He remembers the bike because of the paint scheme. Bike picked up 2 to 3 HP above 10,900 rpm but lost 12 to 14 HP from 3K to 10K. This was a major let down to me and he asked what happened to the bike. He pulled up the last graph and laid them on each other. I then explained to him that it has a CNC head with milling and cams at 110/108. Well he stated that moving the cams would hurt the bottom end and move HP up top but the bike was actually much stronger when it was stock.
Now the first thing I did was call Jim while at the dyno but didn’t get an answer. We looked at a few other dyno charts of 14s that I know the owners of and my bike was performing worst with the CNC head. I took the bike home feeling depressed that I spend money and the thing is actually weaker. I was told just moving the cams is what moved the HP and if they were put back it should fall back to it’s original hp. Wow, I spend money to go slower down the track. Jim stated that it has to be cam timing. Made the statement that maybe I bent a valve installing the cams. There has to be a problem with the work that I did and it’s not the head.
Now I have built quite a few motors in my time. Have a few built Busas, degreed in cams on many 14R motors for my brother in law and never had an issue. He insisted that I have the cams to far advanced and the problem isn’t with the head. Many , many, many heads have all made 220+ and mine is no different. I asked if there could be any issues with the head and he assures me that it’s something that I did.
Well I know how to degree cams but maybe I could make a mistake. No one is perfect and acceptance isn’t hard to when it comes to engine work. Now the bent valve is out the window. Bike runs smooth, valve train noise is so quiet you would think the bike was a sewing machine. So there isn’t a reason to even entertain the idea of a bent valve. Jim wants a compression test done to start pinpointing the problem. Well I get off work and snatch the fairings off. Check the compression and the bike has 195 across all 4 cylinders.
Jim tells me that something is wrong and I need to do a leak down test. But the cams can still be off and kill the compression on the motor. He sees this all the time and they even make this mistake. Do a leak down test and then see where the motor is at. The bike has all of 1300 miles on it so I know that the bottom end is good. I pull the motor and go through the cams again. I do it with a buddy on the phone and reading the numbers off that I’m getting for valves opening and closing. He checks them with the book and this thing is hitting pretty much dead on the money.
Okay I’m tired of playing this game so I snatch the head off. Place it beside the stock head and get the calipers out. After 35 minutes of measuring all different areas of the head, I arrive at the conclusion that it wasn’t milled. I call Jim and he assures me the head was mille and it’s correct. Okay, now the valves were off, the cams were right, but I can’t read a digital caliper now. Whatever, I told Jim I would send the head back and I know it’s not right. He tells me to send it back and he will go through it for FREE and get it back to me. Now the problem is my bike is tore down. The very thing I didn’t want to happen.
I next day ship the head back to CNC because I don’t have time to mess around with this thing and have my bike in pieces. Jim gets the head and states that it wasn’t milled properly. Wow, didn’t I tell you that the head was milled for what you charged me for. Then the whole conversation goes south.
Jim states he talked to the guys that do the milling and they don’t mill the Gen 2 heads for what I was charged for. Now I’m lost because he told me this was done all the time and now this isn’t done at all. Okay so what is the truth? Either you do or you don’t and you told me you do. You charged me for it and stated that this is a common head done on a regular basis making 220+.
Jim goes into the spill about the cams may need to be closer to stock and maybe the exhaust doesn’t like 108. Okay so now you gave me numbers that you’re not sure of, a LIE about doing this all the time, and I’m now on the R&D side of the house. We went from a known factual process to a it should work and let’s just try this type of deal.
Pissed I asked him why did you state that you did this all the time when in fact you have never done this. Well he figured it would work, he can see if the head can be milled the way he charged me and stated he would be wasn’t sure. You have to be kidding me. Pissed I tell him I’ll speak with him later because right now I livid. You lie to me about something so simple it’s ridiculous.
Called my buddy who loaned me the head and explained what was going on. At this point I would just like to put my head back on but it’s no longer mine. I owe it to him and have a head that can’t be done what I was charged for. He is in disbelief and states he wants to call Jim because he is at a loss for words.
I get a call back from my buddy and he doesn’t know where to begin. He does apologize for the situation but don’t know what there is to do. I told him I really don’t want the head and will seel it to him for half price. He says he will take the deal but see what Jim is going to do. Now Jim comes with the most Jacked up scenarios there are to fixing his LIE and SCREW UP.
Jim’s options: first he has a head that is stock to replace the one that he has worked one. Take that head and refund me my money which I’m all for. All I lost is the time, new head gasket, dyno fee, gas fee since the dyno is a hour and a half away, shipping fees, and probably something else I’m missing. Second option he can angle mill the head he has and send it out. Now this makes no sense because I have 1400 tied up in the head that he didn’t do right and he just wants to send out a stock angle milled head. Wow I guess that works great for him.
My friend calls him back and asks an easy fix that sounds so fair that it’s just wrong. He asks Jim to do the stock head that he has there and sell the one he messed up to someone else. Now this just doesn’t work for Jim for some odd reason. Do what he was paid to do just isn’t right. It can’t be done and he doesn’t want to mess up his good stock head. Had no problem doing mine but not his. So we’re stuck with his options. Jim does make the comment that he can’t lose money on the head. GUY YOU LIED AND CAUSED ALL THIS.
Now it cost me 150 for the next day shipping and I never said a word about it. Jim was quick to say I see what It cost on the box to ship the head and I’m not paying for that. That’s ridiculous to pay that much for shipping. I didn’t ask for shipping to be paid by him. I’m trying to hurry and get my bike together. A few dollars for shipping to get this thing fixed didn’t bother me. But I see Jim is all about a dollar. He will not lose a dollar on this head that he lied about. He can’t do what he said, charged for what he can’t do, then took forever not to do it.
Jim states that there is nothing he can do to satisfy me. The reason there is nothing he can do is because GUY YOU LIED. You can’t fix a lie and I no longer trust you. You can’t do what you stated, never did what you stated, and can’t deliver what you gave your word on. Now my friend still believes things can work out but how do you trust someone that will say anything to get business. To be honest and I’m not a rich man, I would have paid a few dollars to have never met Jim.
There are many that have great success stories from him and I am aware of that. My story just isn’t so but I did my part. Sent a good head and put the money in his hands to do the job. I paid what he asked and waited over 5 times the original agreed upon time. Never received what I was charged for and told it couldn’t be done. That’s my story dealing with CNC. Never a foul word or hot tempered reaction. I do have pictures off all measurements, dyno charts, and receipt from Jim.
Maybe others will have a better experience with him than I did but I will never use him again because of his inability to do what he says, not to mention he is a straight out liar. Either tell me what I’m getting into and let me decide for myself or don’t take on work you have never done. It’s just that simple.
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posted December 27, 2014 08:41 PM
Even though you have a story really why did you join? Just to air some dirty laundry? First post on this forum and you've never had anything else to contribute or discuss not very much of a member. Sounds like you're just using this forum to inflict damage and take revenge.
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posted December 28, 2014 07:30 AM
He put it on here to let people know what happened so maybe it doesn't happen to anyone else. If Jim would have handled the situation differently and just said I made a mistake and I will get you right this would not be an issue. But no he tells the man that he did something wrong with the cams and maybe this maybe that. Then when he got the head back and actually saw that it wasn't milled more excuses come up. When all he had to do was just admit he messed up and make it right without trying to get out of the situation.
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posted December 28, 2014 07:35 AM
Jim's been a member here for like 14 years. I'd be interested in hearing his side. I honestly can't remember ever having heard a single complaint about him - only good things.
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posted December 28, 2014 07:49 AM
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Jim's been a member here for like 14 years. I'd be interested in hearing his side. I honestly can't remember ever having heard a single complaint about him - only good things.
So have I. But I witnessed this one first hand so I can vouch for everything he said. I was one of the ones that recommended him to use Jim. I have seen so other things that Jim has done but it didn't go in this direction. The customer just didn't go back to Jim. Fortunately my stuff came back like it was supposed to. Maybe he just needs to personally check every item before it leaves his shop for quality. It just wasn't handled professionally.
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posted December 28, 2014 01:42 PM
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Even though you have a story really why did you join? Just to air some dirty laundry? First post on this forum and you've never had anything else to contribute or discuss not very much of a member. Sounds like you're just using this forum to inflict damage and take revenge.
Posting a dealing isn't inflicting damage or revenge. I've been a member her for quite a while. Posting a dealing with someone that was poorly handled shouldn't be a problem. Maybe it will help someone else from having to deal with the same situation.
Reason many get done wrong is because everyone just takes it and says nothing. If I would have read such a story I could have avoided the experience. Just because someone's post count is lower than yours doesn't mean they just joined or have an issue. Means they may only speak if there's a reason and not just post to feel like they need to be heard for self assurance
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posted December 28, 2014 02:32 PM
Would be good to hear the other side of the story.
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posted December 29, 2014 07:33 AM
This is an unfortunate situation that could have been avoided. I'll try and clarify a few things here.....
We offer several combinations of heads, cams etc. for the Gen 1 and Gen 2 zx14, Busas etc. Super Sport, Stage 1 CNC ported, Stage 2 CNC ported, Stage 3 CNC ported, Stage 4 CNC ported and there are different cam options for each. Street, strip, nitrous, etc. and we offer the angle mill 20/40, 30-50, 40/60 or flat milling.
We have done countless Gen 1 Super Sport heads with stock cams and they make 195-205+ hp depending on fuel, how much its milled and what size throttle bodies. We have done Gen 2 Super sport heads, the cams are slightly larger on Gen 2's so we have been limiting the milling to .020" so far. The cost is the same if we mill it .020" or .040" or .060" or whatever. And a quote was given to Dave before the head was shipped.
Normally we don't CNC port a Super Sport head, but Dave wanted it CNC ported he also wanted it with the more aggressive angle mill that we do on the Gen 1 Super sport head.
I was supposed to tell the guys in the shop to do the angle mill it instead of the usual .020" that's on the Gen 2 SS build sheet. I forgot. That was totally my fault and not the guys in the shop, and I apologized to Dave for that on the phone more than once.
As for the performance of this particular combo I had to make an estimate and I told him it was an estimate, We don't usually do this combo and I recommended cam timing of 110 on the intake and 110 on the exhaust based on the expected available piston to valve clearance and what we know usually works well, but stressed that P to V clearance had to be checked and if the intake cam can go lower, advanced, like 106 vs 110 then set it lower while maintaining enough P to V clearance. That's something I cant exactly predict.
Now lets back up for a min.
I told Dave we were getting a new seat and guide machine and we were ordering it on October first and that Rottler had it in stock ready to ship and said we would have the machine in 7-8 days. I explained that the new machine will hold better concentricity and perform better valve jobs and he preferred to wait for the new machine.
It ended up not getting here for 4 weeks and the Rottler training rep came the following week. That's a whole different story in itself right there as to what happened with the old machine and the delivery of the new machine that I wont bore you with. I talked to Dave several times and during this time and kept him informed of the machines delivery pushback etc.
The head arrives and we do the work. Dave puts it on and its not making the power it should or I expected. Cecil at HTP suspected it was the cam timing, I did as well. Typically when you retard the intake cam it looses dynamic compression and looses midrange power and gains top end power. Advancing the exhaust cam also has an effect.
So I started to ask questions to try and figure out over the phone what the problem might be. I started to propose all the different possibilities as to what the problem might be so we could start to eliminate them one at a time, like cam timing, bent valves, valve job not sealing, rings not sealing, air fuel ratio, type of fuel, etc. etc. Dave seemed very insulted that I was questioning anything he had done. But this is how you trouble shoot any problem with anything. You have to start to eliminate things. I told him setting cam timing can be confusing and he could call me any time day or night and I will help him with it over the phone. Apparently that highly insulted him. I'm sorry.
So we needed to do a leak down test to try and isolate the problem.
Dave did a compression test because he didn't have a leak down tester. Compression was much lower than expected. With out a leak down test its hard to pinpoint anything. So after much discussion I told him to take the head off and ship it back to me and I would pay for the shipping and the dyno time at HTP and I would drop everything and personally go threw the head and check everything myself.
A week, 7 days, went by and the head arrived from the USPO over night for $150.
Normal UPS ground to Virginia is 2 days for less than $40. I had agreed to pay for normal shipping.
As it turns out the head was flat milled .020" and not angle milled. This was totally my fault for not telling the guys to do the angle mill and I apologized to Dave for the error.
I vacuum checked the valve job and it was sealing perfectly. We vacuum test all heads before they leave here so this ruled out any bent valves or excessive seat run-out.
At this point I offered to give Dave a full refund, and swap with the low mile stock head I have here and pay for his dyno session at HTP. He stated that his friend wanted the head and to go ahead and do the angle milling and he was going to put the stock head back on without trying it.
We angle milled the head the maximum like a Gen 1 SS head and I reassembled the head and checked the valve lash. I had to change out several shims because the lash was too tight on several valves.
We shipped it back and they did a compression test and it was now way higher (267psi?) and I thought everyone was happy until a friend called me about posts about this were on the internet. Apparently I got the wrong impression from our last conversation and he wasn't going to use the head its on his friends engine. Last I knew they hadnt run it on the dyno again.
Bottom line is that its my fault that the guys did the normal gen2 .020" mill that is on the SS instruction sheet because I didn't tell them otherwise. All of this could have been avoided.
Also I should have just done the valve job on the Sunnen machine in the first place and we would have avoided the delay waiting for the new machine. Again my fault, but I thought Dave was ok with it.
As for slamming my credibility, and calling me a liar? I think that's a totally inaccurate depiction of how it really transpired. Sadly.
I'm not going to get into a he said/she said argument on the internet over this.
I don't have time and its so pointless.
Again Dave I'm sorry for the initial delay and that the head didn't get angle milled the first time. I take full responsibility. I'm sorry you felt insulted and offended when I was just trying to trouble shoot this.
Remember I said the dyno session was on me. I contacted Cecil and he's going to charge me for the next dyno session.
Jim
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posted December 29, 2014 06:19 PM
Thanks for responding Jim.
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posted December 31, 2014 06:26 AM
Glad I was able to.
Thanks Oliver, have a happy new year.
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posted January 09, 2015 04:33 AM
just goes to show you there is two sides to every story ! jim I hope your wife is ok
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posted January 09, 2015 03:15 PM
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just goes to show you there is two sides to every story ! jim I hope your wife is ok
She passed her 6 month scan but her 1 year scan showed another spot on her lung.
They are going to do more radiation on in a few weeks. I hope its the last one and we get this behind us. She went thru chemo and then surgery and then radiation... now another spot...  she hasn't smoked in almost 30 years now.
To top it off I just found out my dad has bone cancer 3 weeks ago also.... So I spend a lot of time lately away from the shop. Its hard to keep focused some times.
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posted January 11, 2015 08:34 AM
That's tough. Cancer really sucks man. Hang in there.
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posted January 14, 2015 11:36 AM
It's interesting that the guy who started this thread hasn't come back and told everyone how the so called head work he claims lost power did after Jim's efforts to make it right, the word on the street is 207hp before to 227hp now on pump gas with stock cams and throttle bodies on Cecil's Dyno, I would say that's a killer setup.
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posted January 14, 2015 12:21 PM
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Re: Competition CNC WHY
The reason it was never posted is because I let it die. Now since you know me and my bike, plus was there, due tell. I would like to know. Especially since my bike doesn't make 227.
Is the head even on my bike? That's why I didn't reply to Jim's BS explanation. But since you know so much enlighten the forum on the head that isn't on the bike. We're all listening
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posted January 14, 2015 12:25 PM
Oh and by the way, my bike doesn't have throttle bodies and never did, but I'm sure Jim told you that I didn't buy them so your information comes from ?
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posted January 14, 2015 04:38 PM
 Edited By: Swiftkart on 15 Jan 2015 00:56
I said stock cams and throttle bodies, meaning stock throttle bodies, I didn't say bored throttle bodies or 47mm throttle bodies. I do know the head did what Jim said it would on power, if it wasn't on your bike when it was tested, that's to bad you missed out.
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