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posted June 22, 2013 08:23 PM
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Are you willing to nurse me through the install?
sure .1st thing to do is call cold fusion and put a kit together .. whatever hp you want they will sell you the fuel and N20 jets for the set-up . tell them you looking for a all steel line 4 cylinder wet kit.. but don't use their fuel pump just go to a local parts house and get 1
I'll check with Cold Fusion. When I'm ready, I'll get a hold of you for installing this thing. We didn't blow anything up in the valve clearance adjustment. Nitrous install should be less invasive than that.
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http://www.nitroustech.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-92.html
I think there is some good pro/con, general info that can be extracted from that article even if it is not specific to the most current systems. I have a little reading to do there but at this point, I'm leaning toward a dry system. A 100 shot is as much as I can see using any time in the next few years. After that, I will know if I need a wet system and if I even want higher boost than that.
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Besides you can't intro more than a 60hp shot on your 14 (that's about 45rwhp) without motor work, or you'll fuck it up.....Forget the wet plumbing it's a pain in the ass and completely unnecessary.
Cliff
I'm interested in beefing up the necessary engine parts for boost but that is years down the road. I think I can get a system that can be adjusted over a range of boost levels and keep it at a level where I feel safe with a stock engine. If I can handle more boost, I will do the engine work if that is what is needed.
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Does the spray bar obstruct the flow of air from the ram air system?
No! We demonstrated that fact 'posted dyno results for your review in the HT build thread' here on 14.com......It's 2013 brother not 1999, FI motors work just fine with today's simple and inexpensive dry shot n2o systems that allow added fuel via a PC5 controller.
Cliff
Glad to hear that. I have confidence in the Adams spray bar.
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It hangs above and shoots down into the ducts.
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The MPS is cool looking and there can be no doubt that every spec of nitrous is going into the T-bodies. Only thing, it changes the smooth regular shape of the bellmouths by hanging over the edge. Schnitz assures me that either the Adams or the MPS will have no effect on NA.
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What spray bar should I go with?
  
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posted June 23, 2013 12:59 AM
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What spray bar should I go with?
I don't know but thats a dumb pic
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posted June 23, 2013 04:00 AM
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What spray bar should I go with?
I don't know but thats a dumb pic
Why dumb? You no like the nozzles hanging over the sides of the ducts? I can't tell for sure but I think the main part of the sprayer is attached to the ceiling of the airbox between the bulkhead doors. Sure looks to me like the tubes rest against the inner edge of the bellmouths..or maybe that is just a camera trick.
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posted June 23, 2013 04:40 AM
it dumb because ..the spider is trapped by the flies...who would add nitrous and leave the 2nd throttle plates in .. duh
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posted June 23, 2013 12:20 PM
I recommended Adam's.
Even distribution of nitrous due to having a nitrous pill for each Cylinder.
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posted June 23, 2013 04:00 PM
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it dumb because ..the spider is trapped by the flies...who would add nitrous and leave the 2nd throttle plates in .. duh
good one! I thought the same thing...but I assumed nitrous would only be be used in the upper revs where the secondaries would be open. I'd still want those out of the way. Had mine out four 4 years and I think it improves throttle response but some people said the opposite.
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I recommended Adam's.
I think so BLK ICE. Thats what I would get if I had to jump on it right now. Prolly be what I end up with.
Question #3: How much of an issue is bottle temperature? I see there are bottle warmers. I was thinking about mounting my bottle on the left away from the exhaust. Will bottle temperature be something I will need to be monitoring before/during every NOS use?
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posted June 24, 2013 12:49 PM
Question #3:
How much of an issue is bottle temperature?
Will bottle temperature be something I will need to be monitoring before/during every NOS use?
Question #4:
how much does nitrous oxide gas cost and is it something that is available all the time?
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posted June 24, 2013 01:18 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 24 Jun 2013 21:18
being I don't use n2o I can only pull an answer out of my ass
Q#3 NO unless your anal and just have to run the same number everytime
Q#4 HERE around $6.00 per LB
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posted June 24, 2013 06:44 PM
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being I don't use n2o I can only pull an answer out of my ass
Q#3 NO unless your anal and just have to run the same number everytime
Q#4 HERE around $6.00 per LB
#3, ok. I see there are warmers for bottles. My guess is that the most extreme temp chages are caused by using the nitrus. The bottle gets cold as it empties, I would think. I can deal with that when I get to it. i guess in the hot weather a purge system blows off the hot nitrus in the lines. I gotta have that. That's too sick to not have even if I don'y need it.
#4 $6 / lb is cheap. Can't be much more around here.
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posted June 24, 2013 07:13 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 25 Jun 2013 03:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w7NgxyrK8s heater explained
not talk about is the pressure regulator but you won't need that either but its small and a good idea to have .. remember cars you have room and a charging system to run all this crap and to store it ..
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posted June 24, 2013 07:16 PM
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Rook
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posted June 25, 2013 08:01 AM
That's a good vid.
Yeah, the most powerful of those heaters is 240 watts. IDK...that could get to be a bit much for the bikes charging system and my little 14 ah Shorai. ..I mean with headlights and PC and the other little demands on the charging system.. Also, I would need smaller heater blankets because I'm not hauling around a big bottle like the ones they show in the vid. I'm thinking two or three bottles about three or four inches in diameter.
The pressure control switch looks like a higher level of precision. The less expensive blankets have a thermostat to heat the gas to where it should be to maintain optimum pressure. The control switch will actually read the pressure coming out of the bottle and turn the blanket on or off to maintain the pressure you want.
I can do without a bottle warmer system for now. That can be an add-on.
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posted June 25, 2013 11:26 AM
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=3&TID=72668&set_time=1371664494
found you a n2o set-up for sale
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posted June 26, 2013 10:35 AM
Looks like what I want but I am more in favor of the Spyder spray system over the Adams. That Adams takes up a lot of space in the airbox and I am having a hard time accepting that that will make no difference for NA. (if you saw what the Adams system does to a busa airbox you would not want that for anything but a race bike, NOS all the time, no NA ever.).
I can get a brand new Dynotune system for $360. They make a sprayer called Black Widow which is a copy of the Spyder. Maybe another $150. All new stuff. I might want to upgrade the little solenoid some day.
Would have to add a progressive controller some day. Those are across the boards on price.
I might try this guy you have the link to ..but it's not exactly what I was looking for. It would make a damn nice NOS for a newbie like me.
You think the DynoTune system is ok, 1bad? A lot of people get that ....but something about seems just too cheap and easy...
https://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=237
How much do you suppose that used system would cost me new for the progressive controller spray bar bottle solenoid and lines?
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posted June 26, 2013 11:37 AM
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I had 1 those back in 2007 and with-in a week the 2 knobs to open the bottles feel off...
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posted June 26, 2013 08:30 PM
Edited By: Rook on 27 Jun 2013 04:32
they updated the knobs. maybe you were not the only one who had them break.
"will have the larger round knobs. The knobs are much easier to turn, will not come off, and the brackets are thicker and stronger than ever!..."
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bottom of this page:
https://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=237
I like the way those bottles mount...and there is SO much stuff on their site.
here is the Black Widow. Same thin as a Spyder.
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here's my system. $479 w/twin bottles. If I get hooked on this, I'll hollow out the passenger seat and hook up a 2.5 lb bottle to go along with the small external ones.
http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=354
OMG. Bad, you see all the COOL junk they have? I could get totally lost in this stuff.
http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scripts/prodlist.asp?idcategory=116
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posted June 29, 2013 10:39 AM
At what point does one need a progressive controller?
I'm not going to be using this in first gear, second maybe?? just for fun...but I could see reserving it strictly for 3,4 5 and 6th gears.
What exactly does a progressive controller take control over?
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posted June 29, 2013 04:56 PM
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Bad....Give us all a break, you don't even use n2o do you? That article is 5 yrs old and probably based on car systems from 10 yrs ago.....Advice to all internet travellers - listen to guys with proven experience in whatever product you wish to review, the rest is BS.
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Dyno testing ain't real world Mr $60,000.00 HT .. . hell just a zx12 I had for 3 months went thru 100lbs while I had it and I didn't ride it much . and I didn't break nothing with a 100 shot.. you try that buddy ..but I don't know nothing i'm just a dumbass with no achievements ...
Bad.........Show us the dyno work of your 12 making 260hp on juice..........FYI, the phrase should read, "and I didn't break ANYTHING......"nothing" in this context is bad grammar and you're right, it makes you look like a dumb ass!
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posted June 29, 2013 06:53 PM
naw, it just looks like someone with bad grammar....or perhaps we should say, "poor grammar."
so anyhoo,
At what point does one need a progressive controller?
I'm not going to be using this in first gear, second maybe?? just for fun...but I could see reserving it strictly for 3,4 5 and 6th gears.
What exactly does a progressive controller take control over?
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posted June 30, 2013 12:43 PM
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Even distribution of nitrous due to having a nitrous pill for each Cylinder.
So does the MPS Spider. Very efficient system as is the Adams bar.
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posted June 30, 2013 12:53 PM
Edited By: BrucerZX14 on 30 Jun 2013 20:55
Rook - I have an MPS Spider system in my ZX14. 40 shot with progressive controller. I start at 50% of the shot on the launch progressing to 100% in .8 seconds. I'm at full blow before I hit the 60 ft. My motor is stock. No springs...nothing. Just a Rock Solid clutch...air shifter...12 over arm...Brocks sidewinder. 60 ft times average 1.37. Runs 5.63 - 5.67 @ 123 1/8 mile here at my home track in Abilene TX. Air isn't that good here. Usually over 4500 ft DA. I weigh 215 suited and the bike has most of the stock stuff still on it.
I made a bottle heater system that runs off the bike and off a external battery. The battery is great while in the pits. Keeps the bottle ay pressure while waiting for my next run. I plug it into the bike system before I head to the lanes. The bike doesn't need to bring it up to pressure...just maintain it. Works awesome.
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posted July 01, 2013 09:20 AM
I have the Adams spray bar in my 14. It hasn't been a problem Running NA.
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posted July 01, 2013 06:04 PM
Thank you both for inputs on spray bars. I'm getting thumbs up on both from everyone I ask. No real clear winner either way. I think I'm going to have to have a look at as many install pics as can get my eyes on before I decide.
"Rook - I have an MPS Spider system in my ZX14. 40 shot with progressive controller. I start at 50% of the shot on the launch progressing to 100% in .8 seconds. I'm at full blow before I hit the 60 ft."
I seems like progressive controllers might have a bunch of different capabilities.. Some might have everything and others might be very basic. Picking a progressive controller will be even more of a challenge than picking a spray bar. At least spry tbars all do pretty much the same thing.
Sounds like this could be a whole new thread but, QUESTION #6:
What progressive controller should I get ? ...and please explain why you like if you could. I am not at all familiar with these devices.
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