lazarosp
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posted April 23, 2013 03:57 PM
 Edited By: lazarosp on 24 Apr 2013 01:56
ZX14 Turbo built help
So I am starting to built my homemade ZX14 turbo.
It is my first turbo built and I want to built it all alone. The bike is a 08 and it is going to be 220hp max.
I will buy a used header with a K0422-582 turbo and all the rest are going to be made myself.
I am not familiar with turbos as I said so I can use a little help.
Lets start, header and turbo are going to be as I said. The turbo has an internal wastegate and this is my first question, how can I minimize the boost pressure to keep it low?
Bike as I said is a 08 but I hav a set of 07 injectors which are bigger to be used, what else I have to do about the fuel system? Can I use the stock pump and regulator for just 220hp?
Last where should I put the blow off valve? In the one ram air hole of the airbox?
Thanks In advance!
  
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smokinstorm
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posted April 23, 2013 04:03 PM
Please don't take this the wrong way but why in the world would you limit it to 220 horsepower max? With a turbo????
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lazarosp
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posted April 23, 2013 04:12 PM
Because it will be a daily ride and stock motor. I just built it because I like the look and sound of the turbo and not for the performance. I also don't want to mess with the fuel pump to keep the smoothness in low rpm cruising.
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01smokes
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posted April 23, 2013 05:40 PM
I have a kit I'll sell you cheaper than you can build one. Muzzy header t04e turbo tial external gate scavenge pump the sky is the limit with this kit 400+hp or run 4-5 psi and make 220ish on the stock fuel and the 06 injectors. That's the exact same set up I have the bike running on right now actually.
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lazarosp
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posted April 23, 2013 05:47 PM
How much for the kit?
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posted April 23, 2013 05:51 PM
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How much for the kit?
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lazarosp
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posted April 23, 2013 05:52 PM
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Oz Booster
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posted April 24, 2013 02:16 AM
220 is going to be difficult , 250 would be easier 
Get 01smokes kit , you will not be sorry , the external wastegate and supplied scavenge pump will eliminate the first few threads you would have started here
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Lou_ZX12R
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posted April 24, 2013 03:43 AM
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Because it will be a daily ride and stock motor. I just built it because I like the look and sound of the turbo and not for the performance. I also don't want to mess with the fuel pump to keep the smoothness in low rpm cruising.
from a financial stand point only, why not sell it and put that money towards a2012 zx14r with some mods? you will at or around 220hp and no hassle for a daily communicator?
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posted April 24, 2013 05:35 AM
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We want to know how much.
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BenzTech
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posted April 24, 2013 06:00 AM
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I just built it because I like the look and sound of the turbo and not for the performance.
Why not get some whistle tips and call it a day...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnzw_i4YmKk
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MotoCycho
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posted April 24, 2013 09:42 AM
Edited By: MotoCycho on 24 Apr 2013 17:42
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I just built it because I like the look and sound of the turbo and not for the performance.
Why not get some whistle tips and call it a day...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnzw_i4YmKk
Ha ha! Exactly!
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lazarosp
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posted April 24, 2013 11:12 AM
These are for the retards. I want the look and sound of turbo not whistles
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MotoCycho
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posted April 24, 2013 12:28 PM
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These are for the retards. I want the look and sound of turbo not whistles
Says the guy installing a turbo for the "Look" and "sound".
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Stu64
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posted April 24, 2013 01:26 PM
Edited By: Stu64 on 24 Apr 2013 21:37
Turbo bikes are boring.........not much fun at all.... 
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BenzTech
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posted April 24, 2013 09:30 PM
That bike is sick. Nice work
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smokinstorm
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posted April 24, 2013 11:20 PM
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Turbo bikes are boring.........not much fun at all....
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Yeah, I hear ya there. You ought to sell me that one cheap, huh???? Congrats on a beautiful stupid fast bike. I'm jealous.
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SpazOnaConcours
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posted April 25, 2013 01:54 PM
Edited By: SpazOnaConcours on 25 Apr 2013 21:57
I did this on a C14, and there are some things you just cannot be cheap about. First is the fuel system. A Walboro 255/Aeromtive Stealth pump will fit in a ZX10R housing, and said housing will fit the ZX-14 tank. You'll need an external fuel pressure regulator that will raise fuel pressure 1:1 (or more) with boost. This means you will need to T the feed line and drill the tank for a return. Do not buy cheap shit here or cut corners. I wouldn't go smaller than -6 on the feed, but -4 will work for the return. About 60psi of base fuel pressure using the 06 injectors will do the trick. Use whatever aftermarket engine management you like, but make certain that it can add fuel based on a voltage input (ie map sensor), and also make timing changes based on the same input. This means buying add ons for PC3 stuff (a LOT of add ons), or fit a PCV on it and use the ignition module as well. Or use something like AEM's F/IC (<----better choice by far). If you run Dynojet stuff you'll also have to vent the stock MAP sensor under positive manifold pressure.
An internal gate turbo will work, but the wastegate actuator will have to be sprung quite low... around 3-4psi for what you're trying to accomplish. Your wastegate spring will set your minimum boost level. You can use controlers/vents to raise it, but not to lower it. Garret makes 5ps wastegate actuators, FWIW. If boost is too high you have tochange wastegate actualtors/springs. If the exhaust following the turbine outlet is at all restrictive, you will have boost creep. Avoid this. Good header design is critical, along with sizing your turbine housing appropriately. If this sounds like greek, read Corkey Bell's book "Maximum Boost". Twice. If it still doesn't make sense, get a kit or hire someone else to do it... or be prepared to spend a LOT of money from learning mistakes the hard way.
You can put a blow-off valve anywhere in the charge side of the intake track (one of the ram air intakes, the charge pipe, etc). You'll have to plug/epoxy the drain holes for the tripple-tree bearings in the frame, or boost will blow through and cause you issues. You'll also have to remove/plug the crankcase breather from the frame (and the moisture drain), and re-route the crankcase breather elsewhere.
It's a lot of work for just look/show. Don't think for a minute that you can cut any corners though... even at 4-5psi it will lunch the #4 piston in a blink if it's not set up properly. If you don't feel like spending at least a few grand and WEEKS of learning/breaking/fabricating shit, get that kit from Smokes. All that typing and that's just the big stuff... there's a TON of little things that go into a kit that will live long... it will nickle and dime your ass to death.
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Stu64
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posted April 25, 2013 02:30 PM
A turbo Concours must be really nice if set up for pump gas!! Riding comfortable with power to spare.
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SpazOnaConcours
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posted April 25, 2013 02:40 PM
Edited By: SpazOnaConcours on 25 Apr 2013 22:41
It was really nice for about 8K miles, but cheap fuel system parts caused problems. In my own defense, I though I had bought good parts, but I was liiiiied to. 'Nother story there. Soon as I can afford to finish my SC ZX10R project I'm putting the snail back on. 
The C14 with a turbo was great. it was about 7psi or so on pump gas. It was fast for a 880lb rider/weight combo on completely stock suspension & gearing (went 9.9's @ 144 in Tucson, and would break the double ton with the bags off.... and I have video proof). It would barely outrun my 07 Zx10R with the bags on, and I did a few 1000 mile days with it no problems. You can have your cake and eat it too if you do it right.
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kawpower
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posted April 25, 2013 03:38 PM
AMEN brotha !!!!!!!!!! LEW got a Turbo Connie, and my turbo 14 does nickle and dime me!
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Meangreen14
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posted April 25, 2013 04:52 PM
Yep listen to these guys they now what there talking about, I have a decent system and still managed to melt 3 pistons on my 0914 turbo... Lack of knowledge a $2 clogged fuel filter screen & a jack ass dyno operator costed me some major $$$$!
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Stu64
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posted April 25, 2013 04:54 PM
Mine has been trouble free the last couple of years, but i'm only running 5psi and use E85. I may go up to 7psi once i add a couple inches to the wheelbase. Mine was a kit that i bought from a board member and has been upgraded in a few areas including the fuel system.
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1badzx12r
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posted April 26, 2013 03:47 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 26 Apr 2013 11:48
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Mine has been trouble free the last couple of years, use E85..
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SpazOnaConcours
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posted April 26, 2013 05:59 AM
Good stuff. I fully believe that they can be just as reliable as an NA bike if you have the right parts, have a good tune, and keep up on maintenance. But everything breaks at some point..... turbo bikes just tend to break in a more spectacular fashion. Fuel pump/regulator goes tits up on your NA bike and it runs poorly. Same thing on your boosted motor and it energetically disassembles itself. Just a fact of life.
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