gottzx14
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posted January 13, 2013 04:54 AM
This is some FUNNY shit! Don't stop now....
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eklipse636
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posted January 13, 2013 05:04 AM
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This is some FUNNY shit! Don't stop now....
Gott, your a drag racer. Weighmaster said you don't know anything about street riding. No need in posting here. He has it all figured out. His IQ is over 100, (but he has shit for common sense)
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gottzx14
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posted January 13, 2013 06:18 AM
Know one thing about street riding, Chicks dig fake oil filters
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gottzx14
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posted January 13, 2013 07:22 AM
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I thought about this kit too but the more I researched it, the more I disliked it. First of all, the weight savings is only about 2 pounds front and 5 pounds rear with about 1 pound of the rear savings in the rotor, where it makes the LEAST amount of difference. The front wheel is a direct swap so that is cost effective but the rear is not and requires a lot more parts and money to make it work. According to Michelin, just running a 1.5 pound lighter tire in the back will match (or possibly beat) the performance gain of the rear wheel swap (10 rear wheel on 14) based on their formulas of 1 pound shed in the tire = 3 pounds shed in the wheel and 4 pounds shed in the rotor.
So I decided to go with a 14 rear wheel and a 10 front wheel because that is the most cost effective solution and should help quicken my steering or at least require less effort to turn. I am also going with a lighter front tire which should help even more. So I will be losing about 3 rotating pounds up front in the wheel and tire where it matters most.
OSR quoted "close to 10lbs savings..." and "more than 7 pounds on the rear alone" but I challenged that claim and won. OSR has since revised their listing to reflect a more accurate weight savings which is only 5 pounds rear, not 7+ as originally advertised. OSR busted my chops about this but I was right all along and they "fixed" it after I complained and now they are refusing to sell me a kit because I gave them such a hard time (even though I was right and they "fixed" their listing). That shows me what type of people I am dealing with. I don't want to buy that kit anyway. It seems like a waste of money to me since the $125 saved can be put towards a lighter rear tire like a Michelin Power Pure 190/50/17 which is only about 12 pounds and my Shinko 009 190/50/17 rear tire is 14 pounds so that is a full 2 pound savings which translates into 6 pound savings in the wheel, thus effectively beating OSRs weight savings at a fraction of the cost.
Also, occasionally I see a fat dude with a fat chick on the back of his already heavy bike so would you trust a ZX-10R rear wheel in a situation like that? The Kawasaki Engineers made the 14 wheels stronger and heavier for a reason. They could have probably saved a lot of money just "slapping" 10 wheels on the 14 but then one lawsuit could have changed that all if the wheel failed on the 14 and someone got hurt and/or killed. I prefer the reassurance of the 14 rear wheel and mine doesn't seem as heavy as the one OSR weighed so the weight savings for me would be LESS than 5 pounds anyway.
If you look at the orignal post it has the correct weights listed,
Weight Savings :
Front wheel with one rotor
ZX14 14.8 lbs
ZX10 12.8 lbs
Rear wheel with rotor and sprocket carrier
ZX14 22.0 lbs
ZX10 17.0 lbs
Thats a savings of 7 lbs -- on the wheels alone!!!!
Might want to quit bashing OSR
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weighmaster
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posted January 13, 2013 09:21 AM
 Edited By: weighmaster on 13 Jan 2013 17:21
The reason those weights are NOW correct is because I "busted" osr for having it wrong. After complaining multiple times they FINALLY fixed it from "close to 10 pounds" and "over 7 pounds in the rear wheel alone" to what it currently is.
Can't you people figure that out? If it wasn't for me complaining, it would likely still be wrong and misleading people.
I challenged osr and won and Shannon knows that. He seemed upset about it and refused to sell me a kit (which I really didn't want anyway).
Bashing osr is justified but I do give them credit that they did fix it and not just ignore me.
It is also still somewhat misleading because the 7 pounds is not totally in the wheels. A significant chunk of the rear savings is in the rotor. The 10 rear rotor has a 4.5mm minimum thickness but the 14 rear rotor has 5.5mm minimum thickness and I think the difference in weight of those 2 rotors is about 1 pound so it would be more accurate in osr stated 6 pounds saved in the wheels and 1 in the rear rotor. It is important because weight saved in the rotor is less significant than in the wheel (especially the outermost part of the wheel where the tire mounts)
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gottzx14
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posted January 13, 2013 09:27 AM
How can it be edited from the original post back in March 2010. There is nothing misleading at all ...It states the front wheel weight of both ZX14 and ZX10 along with the rear wheel weights of the ZX14 and ZX10. Doesn't get much more clear...
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gottzx14
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posted January 13, 2013 09:31 AM
.... That's funny though... You busted THEM... So is OSR being hauled off by the Sphincter Police..
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eklipse636
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posted January 13, 2013 09:38 AM
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How can it be edited from the original post back in March 2010. There is nothing misleading at all ...It states the front wheel weight of both ZX14 and ZX10 along with the rear wheel weights of the ZX14 and ZX10. Doesn't get much more clear...
We are drag racers brad. We know nothing about "butt dynos"
The only thing we know is how to go in a straight line.
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gottzx14
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posted January 13, 2013 09:43 AM
What's a butt Dyno ?
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joseph702
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posted January 13, 2013 08:48 PM
Osr makes stuff to help all of us , who really ride are bikes , not call people out talk a lot of shit and say I have a high iq , some of the best and fastest riders are in here . I respect and look up to all of u .
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mick46
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posted January 14, 2013 01:05 AM
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What's a butt Dyno ?
The same as an
"uneducated guess Dyno"
or a
"I'm talking shit Dyno"
and similar to a
"fuck measuring I'll just make it up Dyno"
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weighmaster
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posted January 14, 2013 01:50 AM
Edited By: weighmaster on 14 Jan 2013 09:53
A butt dyno can be even more significant than a real dyno. For example, suppose someone "gears down" their bike and as a result, it makes the bike feel more powerful, even though obviously it is not. That is an example of getting more of an adrenaline rush without increasing HP. I did this on my previous ZX-10R. Gear a bike down like this and put it on a real dyno and what will the dyno tell you... no improvement which is WRONG!
Similarly, some guys pay quite a bit of money to squeeze 5 to 10 HP more out of their bikes but cannot really feel it, however it shows up on the dyno.
So those are 2 good examples where the butt dyno "wins".
For me on my street 14, who cares what the real dyno tells me? As long as the bike performs well for me on the street and gives me the rush I like and of course is good looking, good sounding, and safe, then I am "good to go".
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eklipse636
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posted January 14, 2013 05:25 AM
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quote:
What's a butt Dyno ?
The same as an
"uneducated guess Dyno"
or a
"I'm talking shit Dyno"
and similar to a
"fuck measuring I'll just make it up Dyno"
B. I. N. G. O.
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weighmaster
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posted January 14, 2013 09:50 AM
Edited By: weighmaster on 14 Jan 2013 17:52
A regular dyno has issues. If it was really good, it would have variable ram air to simulate real world conditions. It would also double as a scale so power to weight ratio could be checked and included on the printout.
So I am not that impressed with dynos generally speaking. How the bike feels to me is more important that what a dyno tells me. For example, take 2 identical bikes and gear one way up and gear the other one way down then go for a ride on them both. Which one will feel quicker? Which one will have higher top speed? Obviously the 2 bikes would then NOT be equal but according to the dyno, they are (with the exception that it may detect a speed difference in the same gear at the same RPMs such as 4K in 4th gear). How would a dyno know the top speed of the bike? IT CANNOT! The butt dyno CAN!
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gottzx14
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posted January 14, 2013 09:57 AM
Your butt knows the differance between 145 and 150?
What else can it do ?
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eklipse636
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posted January 14, 2013 03:55 PM
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Your butt knows the differance between 145 and 150?
What else can it do ?
I don't want to know the answer to that question..
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weighmaster
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posted January 14, 2013 05:33 PM
No I didn't say the butt dyno can detect 145 vs 150 (HP I assume). I am just saying it "wins" because if you cannot feel a 5 HP difference, why spend the money on a dyno to confirm it is there? That is such a small "gain" that it could just be dyno error and thus wasted money. If you want 5 more effective HP for free, lose 20 pounds of bodyweight like I did. I dropped from 185 to 165 in "street" clothes and 170 suited up (jacket + helmet). Do both your body and your bike a favor. Less weight has big advantages to both "machines".
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dakota9498
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posted January 14, 2013 06:48 PM
In the spirit of weighmaster, I decided to drop a few pounds and in order to do so, I am going to get rid of some unused parts.
My list is as follows:
Tonsils
Appendix
Right Kidney (I had to choose one, this way it offsets my exhaust weight)
Maybe all my teeth too, I can remove my dentures when I really want to go fast
I figure all told, that should add up to at least ten pounds, half way there to weighmaster's 20lb mark. I will have to work harder to come up with some other things to remove. Or maybe I will just try some "speed holes" here and there a la Shervin (probably weighmaster's alter ego).
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Bently
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posted January 14, 2013 07:21 PM
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No I didn't say the butt dyno can detect 145 vs 150 (HP I assume). I am just saying it "wins" because if you cannot feel a 5 HP difference, why spend the money on a dyno to confirm it is there? That is such a small "gain" that it could just be dyno error and thus wasted money. If you want 5 more effective HP for free, lose 20 pounds of bodyweight like I did. I dropped from 185 to 165 in "street" clothes and 170 suited up (jacket + helmet). Do both your body and your bike a favor. Less weight has big advantages to both "machines".
7lbs is 1 hp on a bike so it would take 35 pounds to get 5 hp. All this light weight talk do you have a light weight battery in your bke already?
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weighmaster
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posted January 14, 2013 07:49 PM
Edited By: weighmaster on 15 Jan 2013 03:52
How do you figure 7 pounds equals 1HP on a bike? If the weight to power ratio is 4 to 1 (lets say 680 pounds rider + bike and 170 peak HP), then it seems that shedding 20 pounds would give you a new weight to power ratio of 660/170 = 3.88:1 so that would mean it would be roughly equivalent to keeping the 680 pound setup and having 175 HP (680 / 3.88 = 175) in "round" numbers.
Yes I took out that lump of lead called a stock battery and replaced it with a much lighter lithium one. That saved about 7 pounds as well.
With the front end mod of -10 pounds, I suspect I will be right around 500 pounds with 2 gallons of gas so that will be 670 pounds with me on the bike since I am 170 suited.
If I took "y'alls" advice and got the flies removed and a full exhaust installed, that would be one "mean" street machine and probably even 10 pounds lighter. Someday I may try that but for now, I am playing with other weight reduction and slip on exhausts for simplicity.
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Timewarp
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posted January 17, 2013 01:31 AM
If you still need wheels I have a black set from an 08 ZX10R black gloss black Stock color. Much easier to keep clean than the flat black 10R wheels. Also new very trick bearings for these wheels.
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weighmaster
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posted January 17, 2013 10:08 AM
Edited By: weighmaster on 17 Jan 2013 18:14
Well try the PM system here to see if it works. I already have a front bare wheel I think with standard bearings. Mine weighs 9.82 pounds. The Michelin Power Pure 120/60/17 tire I will be having mounted is only 7.9 pounds so that is only 17.72 pounds for the pair. Pretty impressive cuz I workout with 20 pound dumbbells so my front wheel tire combo is even lighter than those. A typical stock 14 front bare wheel with a typical stock 120/70/17 front tire is about 21 pounds so I saved about 3 pounds where it counts.
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Wheelie
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posted January 17, 2013 12:33 PM
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Well try the PM system here to see if it works. I already have a front bare wheel I think with standard bearings. Mine weighs 9.82 pounds. The Michelin Power Pure 120/60/17 tire I will be having mounted is only 7.9 pounds so that is only 17.72 pounds for the pair. Pretty impressive cuz I workout with 20 pound dumbbells so my front wheel tire combo is even lighter than those. A typical stock 14 front bare wheel with a typical stock 120/70/17 front tire is about 21 pounds so I saved about 3 pounds where it counts.
same old post blah blah blah wastemaster, how many times are you going to keep posting this?
wee
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weighmaster
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posted January 18, 2013 09:09 AM
Wheelie, I learned how to ride my motorcycle on just the back tire by a Chinese stunt instructor. His name was Wee Lee.
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masszx14
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posted January 20, 2013 12:24 PM
So what's the deal with the zx12 rear sprocket? Do I need a zx12 cush hub or do I bolt on a zx12 sprocket to the 10 hub?
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