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posted September 20, 2012 07:21 PM
Tight chain or lose chain , what is faster?
I heard that a lose chain is a fast chain .. I ran my best numbers and MPH with the tight chain .. I'm running a ZZZ and just love it .. I was running a DZR2 race chain on my gen 1 bikes but it takes a lot of work because it's a non 0ring chain .. I just hate cleaning and lubing chain every race day .. The ZZZ i just lube and run the snot out of it ... It seems to run the same numbers with less work .. So what do you guys like lose or tight ? Have you seen any difference in ETs or MPH having it tight or having it lose ?
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posted September 20, 2012 07:52 PM
I like a little slack- also, shane should know, the land speed guys use some Teflon spray instead of chain lube. I use it, no problems.
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posted September 20, 2012 07:58 PM
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I like a little slack- also, shane should know, the land speed guys use some Teflon spray instead of chain lube. I use it, no problems.
Hummm teflon , never tried that ..
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posted September 20, 2012 08:02 PM
Is that the teflon spray the bicycle guys use?
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posted September 20, 2012 08:13 PM
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posted September 20, 2012 08:27 PM
I gotta find my can, but I figure those guys can do 200 with it, I'm good to go. used it on an o ring and non o ring chain.
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posted September 20, 2012 11:25 PM
 Edited By: BobC on 21 Sep 2012 10:19
Like this? Jack Frost at Santa Pod for the Hayabusa tenth birthday bash.
Look at the lower chain run !!!
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posted September 21, 2012 06:37 AM
No matter how tight you have it at a standstill it'll still look like in the above pic on the launch. I know if we don't have the chain really tight it skips on the launch. Now we've got a 16 tooth front sprocket, a helluva lotta weight to get moving and a long wheelbase so I'm sure those are factors. 60's in the low 1.3's usually.
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posted September 21, 2012 08:28 AM
The Moto GP guys chains have Teflon o-rings, very hard to get a hold of, I have a couple in size 415 & 520 I run on my RS125 & TZ250V powered superkarts, real trick stuff, been trying to get my GP contection to get me one in 530, no luck.
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posted September 21, 2012 11:00 AM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 21 Sep 2012 19:32
quote:
I heard that a lose chain is a fast chain .. I ran my best numbers and MPH with the tight chain .. I'm running a ZZZ and just love it .. I was running a DZR2 race chain on my gen 1 bikes but it takes a lot of work because it's a non 0ring chain .. I just hate cleaning and lubing chain every race day .. The ZZZ i just lube and run the snot out of it ... It seems to run the same numbers with less work .. So what do you guys like lose or tight ? Have you seen any difference in ETs or MPH having it tight or having it lose ?
I set my chain as tight as I can (with the swing-arm parallel with the ground !), and the wheel still roll freely.
Have someone sit on the bike or adjust your lowering links until the swing-arm is parallel with the ground ( readjust lowering links back to your race setting afterwards).
Once parallel, tighten the chain snuggly.
Then, loosen the adjustment screws (a half a flat at a time) just until the wheel rolls freely.
I know this sounds time consuming, but it well result in free horsepower.
Chain lube:
Most chain lubes are sticky, resulting in increased rolling resistance.
I use WD40 and lube the chain about every 4 passes.
side note: If you don't already do so, and feel safe doing so; set your front tire to 50psi.
Again, time consuming, but I have seen several cases were bikes have gained more than 2mph by apllying all of these steps ZZZ and non-oring.
Hope this helps,
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posted September 21, 2012 11:52 AM
I agree with BLK ICE on the WD-40, thats all I use at the track and on the Dyno. Usually 2mph or more and as much as 3-4hp on the dyno, especially if the chain is dirty. On the dyno I'll get the drum rolling about 10mph and spray the hell out of the chain while holding a rag under the chain.
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posted September 21, 2012 05:24 PM
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I agree with BLK ICE on the WD-40, thats all I use at the track and on the Dyno. Usually 2mph or more and as much as 3-4hp on the dyno, especially if the chain is dirty. On the dyno I'll get the drum rolling about 10mph and spray the hell out of the chain while holding a rag under the chain.
wd 40 hurt the 0rings ?
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posted September 21, 2012 06:00 PM
i use wd40 only. had my chain on since 07 (90% drag use) im finally due for a new one tho.
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posted September 21, 2012 06:33 PM
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i use wd40 only. had my chain on since 07 (90% drag use) im finally due for a new one tho.
Thanks Scott..  I just didn't want to screw up a 170.00 dollar Chain .. But if WD40 works it works ..
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posted September 21, 2012 07:08 PM
ZZZ here, and I also only use wd40.
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posted September 22, 2012 01:01 PM
WD40 HERE
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posted September 23, 2012 05:12 AM
I have used WD40 a few times on my last chain to clean it but didnt pay attention to speed/power gains. WD40 works very well to remove spray wax from your chain; wheels and fairings! It leaves a film that makes cleanup easy too.
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posted September 23, 2012 03:35 PM
I use sewing machine oil . lol funny but works
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posted September 23, 2012 04:05 PM
We have used this in our lockshop for almost 20 years. It works on everything and has teflon in it. I also use it on my guns...
http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222358379/152/TriFlow-Superior-Lubricant.html?gclid=CIjjpqX1zLICFehDMgodvk0AEg
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posted September 23, 2012 04:21 PM
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We have used this in our lockshop for almost 20 years. It works on everything and has teflon in it. I also use it on my guns...
http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222358379/152/TriFlow-Superior-Lubricant.html?gclid=CIjjpqX1zLICFehDMgodvk0AEg
Wow. I sell this where I work but we've always used Ballistol and PB Blaster instead of this product. Maybe I should take a can back to the shop and tell the guys to try it.
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posted September 23, 2012 06:32 PM
I notice the same thing Lee...Bike reacts faster with a tight chain !!!
I use gear oil as chain lube...
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smokinZX14
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posted September 23, 2012 07:44 PM
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I notice the same thing Lee...Bike reacts faster with a tight chain !!!
I use gear oil as chain lube...
That sounds good to me .. I had Chris Jones tell me to run it tight also .. I watched him set RG chain with RG setting on the bike .. He had it pretty tight .. I was thinking the best lube to free up HP would be to some Syn Oil on a rag and lightly wipe down the chain with it .. I tried that with my DZR2 chain and it took longer for the chain to start kinking up while street riding ..Lasted much longer than chain lube did ..It does get a little nasty if you use too much ..
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posted September 24, 2012 02:01 AM
wd doesn't hurt anything. I think you could put it on toast and it wouldn't hurt ya
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posted September 24, 2012 03:47 AM
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wd doesn't hurt anything. I think you could put it on toast and it wouldn't hurt ya
I agree I use WD 40 on almost anything.... I hate to go old school but anyone ever try the 3 in 1 oil it worked miracles for the chain on my HUFFY back in the day,LOL
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posted September 24, 2012 09:31 AM
In an ET game, a tight chain makes sense. For mph, I stick by a looser chain.
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