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posted September 17, 2012 08:02 AM
Good MR12 is definitely a boost. Sometimes I wonder if the fuel might stratify from sitting, which could be easily cured.
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Shane661
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posted September 17, 2012 08:03 AM
Btw, Lee...bring it to MIR in the Fall. You will be in mid 8.30's...we can see -1000DA or better here, with perfect track prep.
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Slowninja
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posted September 17, 2012 09:03 AM
Lee would have won the race anyways. Just look at the R/Ts... haha
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posted September 17, 2012 09:14 AM
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Good MR12 is definitely a boost. Sometimes I wonder if the fuel might stratify from sitting, which could be easily cured.
Shane
I'm betting it was old ( from the dust on the can ) I still have the can in my shop and i'm going to check the date on it .. I have been using it in my lawn mower , seemed a waste to toss out a 130 dollars of fuel .. 
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posted September 17, 2012 09:18 AM
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Btw, Lee...bring it to MIR in the Fall. You will be in mid 8.30's...we can see -1000DA or better here, with perfect track prep.
Shane
I have not seen our DA that low ever !! but if it gets down to 600 feet i think i can get it done here .. I have a few mods to test that may help me get there also .. Fingers crossed ..
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posted September 17, 2012 09:21 AM
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Lee would have won the race anyways. Just look at the R/Ts... haha
I was told it was a flag start race .. Meaning the pre stage bulbs are on but no tree count down ..You have to wait for the flag man to drop the flag not the tree ... So that acounts for his slow R/T ...I'm told this young man is real sharp on the tree..
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posted September 17, 2012 01:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWuzcrG6Dow
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smokinZX14
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posted September 17, 2012 02:07 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWuzcrG6Dow
Old News... Try again with something we haven't seen a millon times..
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posted September 17, 2012 02:14 PM
Well, that would explain the poor r/t.
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posted September 17, 2012 03:55 PM
Smokin: As I've said before, I'm a beginner yet to have my first race. Do I understand correctly that running race fuel doesn't necessarily make the machine go faster? It makes the octane higher and allows the engine to be tuned for more power?? Without proper tuning for the fuel being used, no faster?? Chris Jones is dyno tuning my Concours 14 using water injection as well as C16. That will be only for the upper rpm range/high boost for top speed mile runs. Will use water/methanol injection for drag racing. Will use water injection for the street tune with a 2 stage boost controller set around 9 psi to produce max 250 hp. It can be set higher but only if I determine the bike is street rideable at higher hp. I think, for street, it will be boosted from a 5 lb. spring. Need to learn throttle/clutch control and revs at launch, front wheel lift and rear wheel spin. Don't know how much difference there will be between the chain driven ZX14 and the drive shaft driven C14? There will be some power loss to the rear wheel through the drive shaft. Also don't know how reliable the drive shaft will be with the increase of power. The C14s and my extra weight are also factors. Chris is putting finishing touches on my bike now. Hope to have it next weekend. Hope you are feeling better.
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posted September 17, 2012 05:07 PM
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Smokin: As I've said before, I'm a beginner yet to have my first race. Do I understand correctly that running race fuel doesn't necessarily make the machine go faster? It makes the octane higher and allows the engine to be tuned for more power?? Without proper tuning for the fuel being used, no faster?? Chris Jones is dyno tuning my Concours 14 using water injection as well as C16. That will be only for the upper rpm range/high boost for top speed mile runs. Will use water/methanol injection for drag racing. Will use water injection for the street tune with a 2 stage boost controller set around 9 psi to produce max 250 hp. It can be set higher but only if I determine the bike is street rideable at higher hp. I think, for street, it will be boosted from a 5 lb. spring. Need to learn throttle/clutch control and revs at launch, front wheel lift and rear wheel spin. Don't know how much difference there will be between the chain driven ZX14 and the drive shaft driven C14? There will be some power loss to the rear wheel through the drive shaft. Also don't know how reliable the drive shaft will be with the increase of power. The C14s and my extra weight are also factors. Chris is putting finishing touches on my bike now. Hope to have it next weekend. Hope you are feeling better.
On a stock motor the lowest octane you can use WITH OUT spark knock will yeld the best power .. But in your case with a turbo at high boost you need as much octane you can get .. You can run 93 octane at low boost if tunned right , i'm sure Chris Jones tunned it right ..
As far as your drive shaft , stock wheel base and not being able to use full power on take off i'm sure it will hold up just fine .. You are the only one to try this so you will be the first one to find out if it will hold up .. It's going to be a learning curve getting a C14 to be a drag bike .. If the bike can be lowered with lower links like the zx14 that will help , a front end strap is going to be a must at stock wheel base .. The power loss between a chain and shaft on these new bikes is not as much as it was in the old days of shaft drive .. I don't think with a turbo you need to think about that too much ..
I remember seeing a video of Ricky Gadson on a C14 at the track ..He was having trouble keeping the front end down .. Just think about your C14 with a turbo trying to keep the front end down .. I believe spinning is going to be the least of your problems . In fact a little tire spin might help ..
I think a turbo C14 will do very good in Land speed racing but not so good at drag racing .. I think your bike will be kind of like drag racing a new Vmax , only with more power .. Heavy bike with upright seating and not being able to change gear ratios may hold the bike back .. But you never know it may be faster than we think .. One thing for sure it is going to be a blast finding out ..
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posted September 17, 2012 05:18 PM
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I think a turbo C14 will do very good in Land speed racing but not so good at drag racing not being able to change gear ratios may hold the bike back ..
HOW is it gonna be good at LSR when it tops out gearing at lets say 180mph and bangs on the limitor the other 1/2 mile .. guess this is the bar http://www.baggersmag.com/events/1010_hrbp_worlds_fastest_bagger_title_owned_byt_man_performance_183mph/photo_01.html
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posted September 17, 2012 05:22 PM
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I think a turbo C14 will do very good in Land speed racing but not so good at drag racing not being able to change gear ratios may hold the bike back ..
HOW is it gonna be good at LSR when it tops out gearing at lets say 180mph and bangs on the limitor the other 1/2 mile ..
I didn't say it would set records .. In land speed racing he doesn't have to take off like a drag bike .. That would make LSR easier than drag racing for him ..
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posted September 17, 2012 05:30 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 18 Sep 2012 01:32
And Big Foot , when you Quote me like you did above don't chop up my sentences and mix them together ...
I don't think he is going to go 180 in a half mile either , that is Bill Warner stuff ..
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posted September 17, 2012 05:57 PM
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And Big Foot , when you Quote me like you did above don't chop up my sentences and mix them together ...
I don't think he is going to go 180 in a half mile either , that is Bill Warner stuff ..
180 mph in a 1/2 mile is not bill warner stuff ..my fat ass on 835lbs of bike and rider total weight could hit 170mph in a 1/4 mile with a cycle-logic stage 1 kit .. and he's got a chris jones set-up..
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posted September 17, 2012 06:12 PM
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And Big Foot , when you Quote me like you did above don't chop up my sentences and mix them together ...
I don't think he is going to go 180 in a half mile either , that is Bill Warner stuff ..
..my fat ass on 1035lbs of bike and rider total weight could hit 125mph in a 1/4 mile with a cycle-squatch turbie stage 5 kit .. ..
and i quote how ever i like and make you like it ..
what?
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posted September 17, 2012 06:18 PM
Lol
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posted September 17, 2012 06:19 PM
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And Big Foot , when you Quote me like you did above don't chop up my sentences and mix them together ...
I don't think he is going to go 180 in a half mile either , that is Bill Warner stuff ..
..my fat ass on 1035lbs of bike and rider total weight could hit 125mph in a 1/4 mile with a cycle-squatch turbie stage 5 kit .. ..
and i quote how ever i like and make you like it ..
what?
wee
lol Wee
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posted September 17, 2012 06:37 PM
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wee
pull your pants up wee... your showing butt crack ..
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posted September 18, 2012 04:25 AM
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I don't know where everyone is getting their mr12, but the two times I have tried it my bike fell on its face, even tried multiple maps.
I think my bike is racist. It only likes mr9
you must have really gotten some bad gas because justin's gen1 with brocks LSR map absolutely loves mr12. What map were you running when you were using it?
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posted September 18, 2012 08:00 AM
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I don't know where everyone is getting their mr12, but the two times I have tried it my bike fell on its face, even tried multiple maps.
I think my bike is racist. It only likes mr9
you must have really gotten some bad gas because justin's gen1 with brocks LSR map absolutely loves mr12. What map were you running when you were using it?
i was using brocks MR12 map .. Shane used the same map and it worked for him .. That's why i felt it was old gas ..
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posted September 18, 2012 08:47 AM
brock has an mr12 map? wth! i need to get with the times!
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posted September 18, 2012 09:39 AM
MR12 is great but believe it or not I've had better results with MRX01 and that's with my 07 and the new 2012 14 too and its a bit cheaper than mr12
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smokinZX14
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posted September 18, 2012 09:52 AM
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brock has an mr12 map? wth! i need to get with the times!
He has a map for the zx14r for MR12 ... I don't know what he has for maps for the gen 1 using MR12..
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posted September 18, 2012 10:19 AM
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MR12 is great but believe it or not I've had better results with MRX01 and that's with my 07 and the new 2012 14 too and its a bit cheaper than mr12
Is the mrx01 like mr12 (you have to get it mapped) or like mr9 (will work on pump gas map)?
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