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There is no serious professional team that doesn't individually set EACH engine's cam timing for best power.

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But, I'd take a guy who says "I don't know, I haven't tried that." over a guy who says "Just set it at blah de blah and that will(?) be perfect.".

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Lee whay would porting the head and milling it 0.20 on a 2012 zx 14r result in as far as power gains

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http://www.factorypro.com/tech/tech_tuning_procedures/tuning_cam_timing_tuning_proc.html

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There is no serious professional team that doesn't individually set EACH engine's cam timing for best power.

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But, I'd take a guy who says "I don't know, I haven't tried that." over a guy who says "Just set it at blah de blah and that will(?) be perfect.".

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http://www.factorypro.com/tech/tech_tuning_procedures/tuning_cam_timing_tuning_proc.html

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There is no serious professional team that doesn't individually set EACH engine's cam timing for best power.

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But, I'd take a guy who says "I don't know, I haven't tried that." over a guy who says "Just set it at blah de blah and that will(?) be perfect.".

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Kawi set the cams at 105 105 , i'm sure they spent pleanty of time to find the best numbers for the bike just like a race team .. I have tried pleanty of numbers on the gen 1 zx14s and 105 105 is the best number for our stock cams ... Aftermarket cams may work better with a different numbers .. The cam grinders will tell you the best numbers when you buy the cams .. You can play with the numbers a bit to move the power up or down the RPM band .. But there is no Harry Potter wand to wave around and make power that is not there ..Most all cams have a number .. lets say you got a Cam ground on a 112 center line , cam Grinder will have you install that cam at 4 Deg advanced or 108 installed .. That number will be very very close to making the best overall HP and TQ .. You can put it at 104 and make a bit more low end but it will take away some top end ... Set it at 114 and lose some bottom end and pickup a little top end power .. Or use the numbers the Cam grinder gave you and have a good all around power band .. I have done this for years , tried many many numbers to find that last bit of HP .. 99 times out of a 100 the Cam grinders numbers are the best ..

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Kawi set the cams at 105 105 , i'm sure they spent pleanty of time to find the best numbers for the bike just like a race team ...

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Lee our cams are set at 109- 105.

14R cam specs

In...33.4mm valves

In ....366 lift...opens 34*...close 72*...= 286*...109 Lobe Center

Ex...28.3mm valves

Ex...366 lift...opens 66*...close 36*...= 282*....105 Lobe center
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Kawi set the cams at 105 105 , i'm sure they spent pleanty of time to find the best numbers for the bike just like a race team ...

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Kawasaki set those cams for fuel economy and warranty and emissions .. not for best over all hp .. but why don't you take a stock bike and run against those racing teams that they talking about.. and see where it places you so confident in stock settings .. i'm confident them factory pro guys know were to set cams i see their bikes at race season RACING..

I think i'll call KWS and tell them to use stock settings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9dpY_OalZQ

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http://www.factorypro.com/tech/tech_tuning_procedures/tuning_cam_timing_tuning_proc.html

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There is no serious professional team that doesn't individually set EACH engine's cam timing for best power.

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But, I'd take a guy who says "I don't know, I haven't tried that." over a guy who says "Just set it at blah de blah and that will(?) be perfect.".

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Kawi set the cams at 105 105 , i'm sure they spent pleanty of time to find the best numbers for the bike just like a race team .. I have tried pleanty of numbers on the gen 1 zx14s and 105 105 is the best number for our stock cams ... Aftermarket cams may work better with a different numbers .. The cam grinders will tell you the best numbers when you buy the cams .. You can play with the numbers a bit to move the power up or down the RPM band .. But there is no Harry Potter wand to wave around and make power that is not there ..Most all cams have a number .. lets say you got a Cam ground on a 112 center line , cam Grinder will have you install that cam at 4 Deg advanced or 108 installed .. That number will be very very close to making the best overall HP and TQ .. You can put it at 104 and make a bit more low end but it will take away some top end ... Set it at 114 and lose some bottom end and pickup a little top end power .. Or use the numbers the Cam grinder gave you and have a good all around power band .. I have done this for years , tried many many numbers to find that last bit of HP .. 99 times out of a 100 the Cam grinders numbers are the best ..

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1. with short stacks, 47mm tbs, and 800 more rpms; do you think 105-105 is still the best "stock cams" setting to use the extra rpm/power up top?

2. If I shaved my gen1 head .025 and made no other changes would I pick up 15hp just from that? also, would cam settings be effected, or would 105-105 still be the best ?

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Oh wait if you move the cams the cam sensor well be off and it will not run ,,,, Right 1bad ?

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Lee whay would porting the head and milling it 0.20 on a 2012 zx 14r result in as far as power gains

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He didn't say porting the head , he said flowing the head .. Flowing the head is nothing but puttin it on a flow bench and check the flow numbers .. Now if he finds a good head porter and mills it 20 he will get more than 10 HP IF it is done right .. Seeing that the gen 2 head is already ported ( some what ported ) I don't think you will pick up much extra HP from a port job ... I guess maybe if ported correctly with 20 milled off the head you might see 20 HP , maybe less .. maybe more ..

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1. with short stacks, 47mm tbs, and 800 more rpms; do you think 105-105 is still the best "stock cams" setting to use the extra rpm/power up top?

2. If I shaved my gen1 head .025 and made no other changes would I pick up 15hp just from that? also, would cam settings be effected, or would 105-105 still be the best ?

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1. with short stacks, 47mm tbs, and 800 more rpms; do you think 105-105 is still the best "stock cams" setting to use the extra rpm/power up top?

2. If I shaved my gen1 head .025 and made no other changes would I pick up 15hp just from that? also, would cam settings be effected, or would 105-105 still be the best ?

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210 hp is about all your gonna get with stock cams and pistons. But you will need our 47mm throttle bodies and our super sport head burning mr12 fuel and a good tune.
On pump fuel your looking at 202 hp.

The super-sport head is bowl blended, special valvejob, and angle milled to to bring the CR to 13.2 and you will need to degree the cams. Set the intake cam as low as possible until you have .050" piston to valve clearance usually about 109-110.
The exhaust p to v should be about .060" and about 108-110.

Its the best bang for the buck if you dont plan on ever going bigger with the engine or putting our ported head and cams on it. If you want future build ability then dont do the SS head, there's better options.

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