zixxer14
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posted August 23, 2012 07:14 AM
So with those coils & Brisk plugs I should add at least 10hp without mapping, right? And I only spent $900. I got some nice land for sale in the Everglades too, cheap.
   
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1badzx12r
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posted August 23, 2012 09:18 AM
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I got some nice land for sale in the Everglades too, cheap.
how much for the land
then i can have my own reality show...
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Wheelie
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posted August 23, 2012 01:07 PM
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I got some nice land for sale in the Everglades too, cheap.
how much for the land
then i can have my own reality show...
BigFoot Speaks?
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zixxer14
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posted August 23, 2012 01:52 PM
Or, Survivor-Everglades BigFoot or National Geographics Swamp Monster or Gater Bait, the Real Story.
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ILUVNOS
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posted August 25, 2012 01:42 AM
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Not saying his Ti Winder made 6 hp with a map, but those who think a sidewinder type exhaust makes more hp then an under pan exhaust better wake up. The ONLY reason for a sidewinder is to allow for the bike to be lower to the ground.
sorry but i have to disagree. i've built numerous bikes, and i can tell you from some serious back to back testing on a dyno that a sidewinder does offer more than just ground clearance. it is fact that a sidewinder provides not only ground clearance but more hp. why do you think a lot of drag guys opt for them. and don't say because of ground clearance because most organizations have ground clearance rules that keep the bike much higher than what you'd need for a sidewinder. matter of fact when i had my bike at the track and teched it, i could have went atleast 2 more inches lower but i wouldn't pass tech inspection.
not sure where this turned into a bash sidewinder thread versus a " those coils are b.s." thread". but your info is wrong and i offer my bike up for testing if you doubt me.
and for the record, i'm not a brocks fan boy, matter of fact i'm trying to sell this damn brocks to go tsukigi, so that name is off my fuckin bike. i didn't drink the cool aid and never will...... goin back to the small company that's more into hp rather than profit margin !
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smokinZX14
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posted August 25, 2012 05:27 AM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 25 Aug 2012 13:38
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Not saying his Ti Winder made 6 hp with a map, but those who think a sidewinder type exhaust makes more hp then an under pan exhaust better wake up. The ONLY reason for a sidewinder is to allow for the bike to be lower to the ground.
sorry but i have to disagree. i've built numerous bikes, and i can tell you from some serious back to back testing on a dyno that a sidewinder does offer more than just ground clearance. it is fact that a sidewinder provides not only ground clearance but more hp. why do you think a lot of drag guys opt for them. and don't say because of ground clearance because most organizations have ground clearance rules that keep the bike much higher than what you'd need for a sidewinder. matter of fact when i had my bike at the track and teched it, i could have went atleast 2 more inches lower but i wouldn't pass tech inspection.
not sure where this turned into a bash sidewinder thread versus a " those coils are b.s." thread". but your info is wrong and i offer my bike up for testing if you doubt me.
and for the record, i'm not a brocks fan boy, matter of fact i'm trying to sell this damn brocks to go tsukigi, so that name is off my fuckin bike. i didn't drink the cool aid and never will...... goin back to the small company that's more into hp rather than profit margin !
Cool Aid ? Really ? Well my bike runs pretty good on that Cool Aid .. 
Brock is a very small company also ..I guess you don't know that ..
I have also tested two sidewinders Vs other pipes , on a stock motor i saw little or no differance in power ..When i asked Brock about this he said " they make pretty much the same power but the extra ground clearance and being able to lower the bike is what will help your ETs and MPH" His words not mine ..
Now if you put that big sidewinder on a big built motor it will make more HP that the street type pipe.
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Wheelie
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posted August 25, 2012 07:56 AM
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Not saying his Ti Winder made 6 hp with a map, but those who think a sidewinder type exhaust makes more hp then an under pan exhaust better wake up. The ONLY reason for a sidewinder is to allow for the bike to be lower to the ground.
sorry but i have to disagree. i've built numerous bikes, and i can tell you from some serious back to back testing on a dyno that a sidewinder does offer more than just ground clearance. it is fact that a sidewinder provides not only ground clearance but more hp. why do you think a lot of drag guys opt for them. and don't say because of ground clearance because most organizations have ground clearance rules that keep the bike much higher than what you'd need for a sidewinder. matter of fact when i had my bike at the track and teched it, i could have went atleast 2 more inches lower but i wouldn't pass tech inspection.
not sure where this turned into a bash sidewinder thread versus a " those coils are b.s." thread". but your info is wrong and i offer my bike up for testing if you doubt me.
and for the record, i'm not a brocks fan boy, matter of fact i'm trying to sell this damn brocks to go tsukigi, so that name is off my fuckin bike. i didn't drink the cool aid and never will...... goin back to the small company that's more into hp rather than profit margin !
Brock isn't into making hp? Why is Brocks slogan "Stupid Fast"? Saying Brock would rather make profit than hp is a flat out lie! Brocks hp makes the profit... Not sure what Brock did to you but it's obvious you are not happy with him, we should be greatful that a company like BDE is out there to supply us with go fast parts, his company doesn't seem to be slacking, they are improving all the time, trust me if Brock made junk I would be bashing him,
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JZX
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posted August 25, 2012 08:26 AM
Edited By: JZX on 25 Aug 2012 16:43
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Not saying his Ti Winder made 6 hp with a map, but those who think a sidewinder type exhaust makes more hp then an under pan exhaust better wake up. The ONLY reason for a sidewinder is to allow for the bike to be lower to the ground.
sorry but i have to disagree. i've built numerous bikes, and i can tell you from some serious back to back testing on a dyno that a sidewinder does offer more than just ground clearance. it is fact that a sidewinder provides not only ground clearance but more hp. why do you think a lot of drag guys opt for them. and don't say because of ground clearance because most organizations have ground clearance rules that keep the bike much higher than what you'd need for a sidewinder. matter of fact when i had my bike at the track and teched it, i could have went atleast 2 more inches lower but i wouldn't pass tech inspection.
not sure where this turned into a bash sidewinder thread versus a " those coils are b.s." thread". but your info is wrong and i offer my bike up for testing if you doubt me.
and for the record, i'm not a brocks fan boy, matter of fact i'm trying to sell this damn brocks to go tsukigi, so that name is off my fuckin bike. i didn't drink the cool aid and never will...... goin back to the small company that's more into hp rather than profit margin !
My info is wrong? Maybe your just slow. So you are saying that you tested a2 brock's pipes back to back, one sidewinder- the other a-?????
Who's bashing a sidewinder? Wake up, on a stock bike, the side-swept bends of the headpipes won't make more hp.
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smokinZX14
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posted August 25, 2012 11:40 AM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 25 Aug 2012 23:33
list of pipes tested 2006 to 2012 ... Muzzy gen 1 street pipe, muzzys sidewinder ...Brocks street smeg , Brocks alien head 1 , alien head 2 , Brocks sidewinder , Brocks CT .. VH sidewinder, Tsukigi and two other brands ... My best numbers where with Brocks T/C on both my gen 1 zx14s ..Gen 2 I have only run two pipes so far , street smeg and alien head 2 .. If i had the cash it would get a CT like i had on my gen 1 ..
Man this is a funny last four years in the USA .. Anyone that finds a way to my money is an ass hole and people attack them for doing so .. Before that we all loved people that could make a buck or a lot of bucks... I guess brock should sell his pipes at cost and put his ass on food stamps and then everybody would love him .. Shame on the man for making a good living !!!!!!
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JZX
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posted August 25, 2012 11:57 AM
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list of pipes tested 2006 to 2012 ... Muzzy gen 1 street pipe, muzzys sidewinder ...Brocks street smeg , Brocks alien head 1 , alien head 2 , Brocks sidewinder , Brocks T/C .. VH sidewinder, Tsukigi and two other brands ... My best numbers where with Brocks T/C on both my gen 1 zx14s ..Gen 2 I have only run two pipes so far , street smeg and alien head 2 .. If i had the cash it would get a T/C like i had on my gen 1 ..
Man this is a funny last four years in the USA .. Anyone that finds a way to my money is an ass hole and people attack them for doing so .. Before that we all loved people that could make a buck or a lot of bucks... I guess brock should sell his pipes at cost and put his ass on food stamps and then everybody would love him .. Shame on the man for making a good living !!!!!!
Amen !
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ILUVNOS
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posted August 25, 2012 12:47 PM
i never bashed him, and i never said he didn't make a good product. i've had numerous brocks pipes over the years. and i have no issue with someone making money off of me but when the entire focus becomes money then i lose interest in them. there's a lot of things that have happened over the year that have made me change my mind if regaurds to bde, i won't go into detail because these things are my opinion and again i don't want to bash anyone. if you guys like him and his product, more power to you, but sayin a sidewinder doesn't make more hp, when i've personally seen it (vs alien head, short meg, and street meg) just isn't correct.
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JZX
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posted August 25, 2012 12:53 PM
So because YOU saw it, makes you correct?
Others, including myself have seen it also-
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Wheelie
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posted August 25, 2012 12:56 PM
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i never bashed him, and i never said he didn't make a good product..
i'm trying to sell this damn brocks to go tsukigi, so that name is off my fuckin bike. i didn't drink the cool aid and never will...... goin back to the small company that's more into hp rather than profit margin.
That's a strange way of not bashing someone.
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JZX
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posted August 25, 2012 01:02 PM
How much you want for the Brock pipe?
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ILUVNOS
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posted August 25, 2012 01:06 PM
So because your opinions differ I'm wrong? Lol ill accept that lol
And wheelie I agree, that may have been a little more "bash" than I wanted to put out there. My issues with Brocks company are more of a difference of opinion on how some things were handled. So for publicly bash I apologize. I meant it but shouldn't have put it out there the way I did.
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JZX
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posted August 25, 2012 01:13 PM
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So because your opinions differ I'm wrong? Lol ill accept that lol
And wheelie I agree, that may have been a little more "bash" than I wanted to put out there. My issues with Brocks company are more of a difference of opinion on how some things were handled. So for publicly bash I apologize. I meant it but shouldn't have put it out there the way I did.
It's not an opinion, it also my experience and others. Either way, Brock himself said long ago that the strertmeg has the same power. (Psychobike)
How much for your brock sidewinder? Is it a TI-winder?
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Shane661
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posted August 25, 2012 03:15 PM
A good sidewinder is designed with shorter primary tubes than a street type exhaust. That combined with the muffler design can lead to more top end power due to the tuning characteristics of a shortened port. They are particularly well suited for a larger motor. I have seen the results.
It's not really worth debating, imo. Buy and believe what you want. 
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smokinZX14
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posted August 25, 2012 03:26 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 25 Aug 2012 23:31
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A good sidewinder is designed with shorter primary tubes than a street type exhaust. That combined with the muffler design can lead to more top end power due to the tuning characteristics of a shortened port. They are particularly well suited for a larger motor. I have seen the results.
It's not really worth debating, imo. Buy and believe what you want.
Shane
Ditto
And i should add this .. A Sidewinder may make more power on this new ZX14R with Brock/Guhl flash Because of the extra rev limit that is added.. My guess is that the CT will do the same or close to the same as the Sidewinder .. I don't have a CT or a Sidewinder so i can't say for sure ..
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joseph702
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posted August 25, 2012 06:11 PM
and pipes pull diffrent hp with stroker motors.
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Brock
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posted August 27, 2012 07:11 AM
Edited By: Brock on 27 Aug 2012 15:13
If I made a sidewinder that didn't work on stock engines, guys would kill me on the Internet. Our TiWinder makes 201 RWHP on my 08 Busa Chronic on MR12… and 278 RWHP on my 1697cc grudge bike Sledgehammer. It took me MONTHS of dyno and track development to come up with a pipe that did both.
As far as profit: I have 9 full time employees, and 5 part time - with families … I pay them above the motorcycle industry standards, offer health care coverage that my company pays most all of, paid vacations, a Simple IRA retirement plan (Brock’s also matches their contributions), and we even cover disability coverage at no charge to them.
Personally, I still live in the same house I purchased in 1994, where I started Brock’s performance in the living room… completely broke after racing every penny away in 2000 after my quest to become the first streetbike into the 7’s. I know what it’s like to turn your passion for bikes from the American nightmare, over $1 million in debt, into the American dream where you can’t believe people actually pay you to do what you love. I work in excess of 80 hours a week in the peak season, and haven’t had a real vacation in years. I’ve also come to terms with the fact that there will be haters; I simply can’t please everyone, and don’t really want to in all cases – I’ve had my fill of bad people in this world. And you know what… that’s just fine with me, because in the end, what matters most is that I really enjoy what I’m doing, so I’ll take the good with the bad.
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joseph702
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posted August 27, 2012 07:53 AM
brock we all thank you for all u have done for the sport and us. your a great guy to deal with and ur pipes work .
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dakota9498
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posted August 27, 2012 08:52 AM
Thanks Brock, I and most people love that a person that has a real passion for the sport is out there developing products that help us go faster. You can't please everyone, and like you said, you don't want to in some cases.
And on a personal note, thanks for the support and the discount to military members as well. I have ordered things and it was shipped quickly and correctly so I could get it and play a little before a deployment. That means a lot to me, and you will always have my business.
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Master
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posted August 28, 2012 10:22 AM
WOW brock did I read correctly you said 201 hp out of a 08 busa now I know why you call it the chronic. Oh yeah that was the first stock motor bike to run 8's.
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smokinZX14
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posted August 28, 2012 12:50 PM
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WOW brock did I read correctly you said 201 hp out of a 08 busa now I know why you call it the chronic. Oh yeah that was the first stock motor bike to run 8's.
Master where you been the last 4 years , Taking a nap ? Brocks 08 busa pulled that off 4 years ago and also run over 200 MPH at Maxton mile .. You can read about it on Brocks website if you want all the details .. Were you napping also when Ricky went 8.90s on a stock ZX14R with nothing but the stock mufflers pulled off at Atco ?
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smokinZX14
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posted August 28, 2012 01:00 PM
Master i'm sure you missed this also .. 161 pound non pro rider on Brocks tuned 2012 ZX14R slugger .. And Brocks bike did it in a 3000+ DA
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