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posted June 08, 2013 12:03 PM
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Any tuning questions, feel free to drop me a line at cliff@randallsearch.com
Cheers,
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When you can get your bike to make 25 to 40 passes on spray and run good numbers at a drag event every weekend . then i'll listen to your tuning advise.. Cheers
Relax Bad, the mapping was done by one of North America's top 14 n2o guys - Dan at Champion Cycle.......He's not only a factory trained DynoJet tuning expert, he's a 7 second pilot. If you have any questions feel free to reach out.
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posted June 08, 2013 04:25 PM
 Edited By: cliffrandall on 9 Jun 2013 03:56
FYI - I was asked a good question today, "could I have run the same n2o map with pump fuel?" Answer - maybe, but I'm a coward! The higher octane C12 provided the added detonation protection (that's what race fuel is, protection not power) that allowed us to squeeze all the hp out of the Muzzy 50hp shot. If I were to hit it on pump fuel I would have used much a more conservative F/A mixture of 12 to 1, not 13 to 1. Sadly I've seen what happens if you get it wrong.
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posted June 08, 2013 06:00 PM
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Any tuning questions, feel free to drop me a line at cliff@randallsearch.com
Cheers,
Cliff
When you can get your bike to make 25 to 40 passes on spray and run good numbers at a drag event every weekend . then i'll listen to your tuning advise.. Cheers
Relax Bad, the mapping was done by one of North America's top 14 n2o guys - Dan at Champion Cycle.......He's not only a factory trained DynoJet tuning expert, he's a 7 second pilot. If you have any questions feel free to reach out.
Cliff
like I said 25 to 40 passes a weekend then i'll listen to advise from someone that's getting it done . until then its all theory not reality ..
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posted June 08, 2013 06:28 PM
Tough crowd tonight.....Who the hell does 25 to 40 passes a weekend!
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posted June 08, 2013 06:40 PM
Ummmm....we have on occasion when racing more than one day. Stock bike though.
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posted June 08, 2013 07:11 PM
Christ, I'd need a nitrous refilling station and an IV line!!!!
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posted June 08, 2013 07:14 PM
And some ointment for the saddle sores....
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posted June 08, 2013 07:51 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 9 Jun 2013 03:55
All in good fun! Goodnight fellows, I hope you enjoyed the exchange.
All the best,
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posted June 09, 2013 01:21 AM
Edited By: tuusinii on 9 Jun 2013 09:34
Good question - my 'initial' plan would be to get up into 6th and at about the 1/2 mile mark, hit the juice. Having never run a mile on this bike I'd be interested to know the best method used by 'mile experienced' 14 owners with n2o??
Thanks,Cliff
Not an N2O racer but the question is just mathematics: half mile = 1609m/2=804.5m. 10s time means 804.5m/10s=80.45m/s = 289.62km/h = 180MPH. So your mean speed should be 180MPH after you hit nitrous if you want to keep it under 10 seconds. After the first half mile I'd assume you're quite close to that speed so the half mile mark could be good starting point. But that requires that you reach at least 190 MPH at the end. And if piped bike without the bags can hit 200MPH I think with the juice you should hit at least that 190MPH. I'm really waiting the results and have been watching this thread closely since the start. Keep up the good work!
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posted June 09, 2013 03:49 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 9 Jun 2013 12:25
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Tough crowd tonight.....Who the hell does 25 to 40 passes a weekend!
Cliff
9 passes yesterday 1/8th mile 2 classes went out early.., made 3 of those passes within 10 minutes "the unthinkable hotlapping" but it was that or drop out a class .. today running 3 classes . its a test on your equipment for sure... turbo bike e85 300rwhp 840lbs total weight
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posted June 09, 2013 04:53 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 9 Jun 2013 13:10
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Good question - my 'initial' plan would be to get up into 6th and at about the 1/2 mile mark, hit the juice. Having never run a mile on this bike I'd be interested to know the best method used by 'mile experienced' 14 owners with n2o??
Thanks,Cliff
Not an N2O racer but the question is just mathematics: half mile = 1609m/2=804.5m. 10s time means 804.5m/10s=80.45m/s = 289.62km/h = 180MPH. So your mean speed should be 180MPH after you hit nitrous if you want to keep it under 10 seconds. After the first half mile I'd assume you're quite close to that speed so the half mile mark could be good starting point. But that requires that you reach at least 190 MPH at the end. And if piped bike without the bags can hit 200MPH I think with the juice you should hit at least that 190MPH. I'm really waiting the results and have been watching this thread closely since the start. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Tuu, what are you a rocket scientist?
Here's my theory - put fresh rubber on, wait for a good tail wind and floor it baby! Get into 6th, hit the friggin juice (243hp and 17/38 gearing) and this HT should blow thru 200mph.......I think?
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posted June 09, 2013 03:53 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 10 Jun 2013 00:07
Bad, sounds wild and hot!.......Frankly, if I were to do it again, I think I might consider building a turbo 14. Question - how much 'safe' horsepower can you make on pump gas with a 14R?
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posted June 09, 2013 07:33 PM
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Bad, sounds wild and hot!.......Frankly, if I were to do it again, I think I might consider building a turbo 14. Question - how much 'safe' horsepower can you make on pump gas with a 14R?
Cliff
I'M sold on e85 and will only use pump gas to kill ants . I've never found a safe set-up for pump fuel pass stock . if i'm racing it i'm running e85
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posted June 10, 2013 04:44 PM
Bad........What's E85?
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posted June 10, 2013 06:01 PM
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Bad........What's E85?
Cliff in Toronto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85
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posted June 11, 2013 10:08 AM
Never seen it up here before.
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posted June 11, 2013 11:45 AM
VP sells it in a race gas style in 5 gallon cans . it is more expensive but for race only purposes and piece of mind going WOT i'd buy it.. http://www.vpracingfuels.com/blogs/vp-racing-fuels-latest-news/2012/05/03/taking-e85-to-the-next-level---more-power--more-consistent-tuning-
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posted June 11, 2013 12:15 PM
Thanks Bad, that's interesting.
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posted June 13, 2013 01:26 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 14 Jun 2013 00:33
Question was asked - how much HP did we actually gain from the Muzzy pipes, Guhl's re-flash and Champion Cycle's dyno tuning? We went up on the same dyno from a stock 14R at 183hp to 198hp, SAE corrected, so we gained 15hp.......The Muzzy juice hit added another 'honest' 44HP. We essentially gained 60HP, the safe limit (in Dan's experience at Champion), without opening the motor and beefing it up with valve springs etc.
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posted June 17, 2013 06:10 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 18 Jun 2013 02:37
For all of you Canadian 14 lovers, get a copy of this months (just out today) 'Inside Motorcycles Magazine', fabulous coverage of the HT project. Christallmighty that's a great looking ride!
For our US brothers, the CycleWorld Mag story should be out in the Sept/Oct issue.
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posted June 21, 2013 04:47 AM
Tuner's notes.....Lots of folks have asked me about the Dynojet 'ignition box' and why you need it., Here's the deal, for max hp on a ZX-14R (as tested on the Champion Cycle dyno) we found that 2 degrees of advance was best for max power on pump gas, then an immediate 3 degrees of 'retard' (when we hit the Muzzy n2o button) made the best power on the juice.....IMO the DJ ignition controller is a must have for max performance.
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posted June 21, 2013 07:40 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 21 Jun 2013 15:40
Another interesting note for tuners - We found that when we introduced VP Fuels C12 our motor dropped 10 hp across the board, however we used it just to be safe first time out with the Muzzy 45rwhp n2o kit.........Frankly, I am of the opinion that you probably could run this shot safely - with your PC5 map switch adding about 15pts of additional fuel and pulling 3 degrees of timing out - on Sunoco pump 94 octane, which I'll test next time out.
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posted July 07, 2013 05:34 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 7 Jul 2013 13:35
Super coverage of the HT project from Inside Motorcycles Magazine up here in Canada.......
http://www.insidemotorcycles.com/features/item/1271-ripped-from-the-pages-of-im-cliff-randalls-zx-14r-hypertouring-machine.html
You'll have to cut and paste it as I couldn't figure out how to make it interactive. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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posted July 07, 2013 07:56 AM
http://www.insidemotorcycles.com/features/item/1271-ripped-from-the-pages-of-im-cliff-randalls-zx-14r-hypertouring-machine.html
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posted July 08, 2013 12:20 PM
Thanks WB!
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