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posted July 21, 2012 02:49 PM
ECU Flash Comparison ECUleashed vs. Ivan's
This comparison consisted of riding around, testing functions, and dyno pulls. For this I had my ECU re-flashed back to the last version which did not add fueling but removed the lower gear restriction (cough), Top Speed limiter, and a few other bells and whistles that escape me now... I believe there might have been fueling left in, and Ivan said it also. With that being said, here is what I found out regarding the flashes.
First thing we did (Ivan and I) was to put his flashed ECU in my bike and ride around. I honestly thought my bike was running the same with both ECU's at first I did not notice anything ground breaking and said "If I didn't know that you swapped these I would never have noticed". That was after a quick 5 minute blast, literally. When I mentioned this to Ivan he told me to go on & off the gas at low RPM's and notice the response. I did notice that his ECU was a bit more responsive. Next we took the bikes out and did some rolls from 2nd and the "safety" mode has definitely been removed from his ECU, mine has definitely not..... After that I took his bike out and he told me to go 2nd gear 5K-6K and go WOT, which I did several times and his bike is much easier to wheelie (stock ride height). Well after this was all fresh, I popped my ECU back in and went for another blast on my bike with my ECU for another comparison. The differences were more dynamic after riding around with back to back ECU's, and his KTRC stays in the last mode it was left in.... Mine was supposed to but did not....
OK next is the Dyno runs, as you can see from the dyno chart the ECU's are so damn close after 6K that its negligible. We did several pulls in 2nd but there were traction issues, and all the pulls were within 3-4HP overall. BTW, we only ran his bike... He offered to put my bike up and run it also but frankly I only wanted to see ECU results, didn't want to turn this into what setup works best thread (besides if there was fueling left into my ECU it would not be a proper test).
In a nut shell, if I was going to get my ECU reflashed.... Ivan would get my business at this point. Ivan's bike with his flash, map & pipe felt seamless from way low to way up high. If any of the other ECU guys feel up for a comparison I would be willing to do this again with all 3 or 4. Just as a point of reference, Ivan's flash is DIFFERENT than the one Guhl sells and Brock sells so you need to go through Ivan to get this.... If you send your flash to Guhl, you're going to get A Guhl flash, not Ivan's.
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posted July 21, 2012 03:04 PM
 Edited By: hagrid on 21 Jul 2012 23:17
For reference what exhaust was the dyno bike equipped with? Never mind... I see Akra.
Any idea why third gear was chosen for dyno pulls as opposed to fifth or sixth? (sixth is closest to 1:1 on ratio for the 14R)
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posted July 21, 2012 04:01 PM
Ok lets be clear here , whos flash was in your bike to start with ? And you have your flies in place correct ?
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posted July 21, 2012 07:37 PM
I believe he initiated the ECU Unleashed flash, which is what I'm pretty sure he has. I wonder how Brock's compares. I need answers. Very simple, layman answers. Come on, people.
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posted July 21, 2012 07:39 PM
Smokin, ECUnleashed flash is in my bike.... not for long though. Regarding the flies, they are still in place.
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posted July 21, 2012 07:48 PM
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remove those pesky flies!!!!  
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posted July 21, 2012 07:57 PM
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posted July 22, 2012 03:15 AM
From what I have read, if you remove the flies you will eliminate safe mode from functioning but lose a few HP up top. I was thinking about what has transpired with my bike and how many times it's been in & out of the tuning center...... I'm done dealing with it at this point, going to have Ivan flash my ECU and pay the man his money... Yes, it was really that much better. I got the ECUnleashed ECU mods for free, well at the expense of my bike being tied up over there 2 months this winter, and 6+more trips back and forth.... And they want my bike back again to test another flash... Not worth my time at this point.
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posted July 22, 2012 07:42 AM
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Smokin, ECUnleashed flash is in my bike.... not for long though. Regarding the flies, they are still in place.
Thank you .. I just wanted it to be clear because in your first post at the bottom was Brocks name ..I just wanted to make it clear to everyone that Brocks / Guhl flash and mapping was not tested in this test .....
Thanks for the info ..
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posted July 22, 2012 07:58 AM
Edited By: Seno on 22 Jul 2012 17:30
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Just as a point of reference, Ivan's flash is DIFFERENT than the one Guhl sells and Brock sells so you need to go through Ivan to get this.... If you send your flash to Guhl, you're going to get A Guhl flash, not Ivan's.
Sorry if that was not spelled out clear enough. For the record, I like Brock as a person and as a vendor. I would never say anything bad about him.... he has always taken care of me and went out of his way to help.
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posted July 22, 2012 08:16 AM
Just remove the godam flies for free.I dont get people. He'll pay someone $475 to open them up sooner yet wont just pull them out for free and have zero problems. Oh i guess your butt dyno can feel a 2hp loss. You dont even race.
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posted July 23, 2012 12:03 AM
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Just as a point of reference, Ivan's flash is DIFFERENT than the one Guhl sells and Brock sells so you need to go through Ivan to get this.... If you send your flash to Guhl, you're going to get A Guhl flash, not Ivan's.
Sorry if that was not spelled out clear enough. For the record, I like Brock as a person and as a vendor. I would never say anything bad about him.... he has always taken care of me and went out of his way to help.
Seno where can I get hold of Ivan by email, I need to post my ECU from Africa how long is his turn around time?
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posted July 23, 2012 01:43 AM
His turn around time is a day or two, as far as email there is none listed on his site under contact info. I would give him a call and talk to him or even send a fax.... Phone: 845-268-1212 Fax: 845-268-8291
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posted July 23, 2012 02:15 AM
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His turn around time is a day or two, as far as email there is none listed on his site under contact info. I would give him a call and talk to him or even send a fax.... Phone: 845-268-1212 Fax: 845-268-8291
Thanks will send a fax
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posted July 23, 2012 12:18 PM
I wouldn't expect your flash to work better on his bike with a tune up for the Akro exhaust...
I am sure his tune up is designed for the his exhaust. How much for the Ivan's reflash?
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posted July 23, 2012 04:40 PM
Edited By: Seno on 24 Jul 2012 00:46
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I wouldn't expect your flash to work better on his bike with a tune up for the Akro exhaust...
I am sure his tune up is designed for the his exhaust. How much for the Ivan's reflash?
Contact him for pricing. http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/12zx14.htm BTW, for the record his dyno is "stingy", my bike was making 208 on a different dyno and only 191 on his. I assume by 'tune up" you are referring to map , in a couple of weeks he will have a map available for the CT pipe which is on my bike.
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posted July 24, 2012 10:07 AM
Seno what about mapping, are you still running the Brocks map for your CT?
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posted July 24, 2012 10:13 AM
BTW, for the record his dyno is "stingy", my bike was making 208 on a different dyno and only 191 on his.
Maybe...that other dyno was 'gracious'LOL!!!!!J/KLOL!!!!
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posted July 24, 2012 11:39 AM
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BTW, for the record his dyno is "stingy", my bike was making 208 on a different dyno and only 191 on his.
Maybe...that other dyno was 'gracious'LOL!!!!!J/KLOL!!!!
one never knows does one? That's why a dyno is a tuning tool and not the gospel.
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posted July 24, 2012 12:03 PM
Edited By: Seno on 24 Jul 2012 20:05
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Seno what about mapping, are you still running the Brocks map for your CT?
I was running a custom map but I believe there was fuel added to the ECU flash I had (which there was not supposed to be). Bike wound up running better with a 0 map.
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BTW, for the record his dyno is "stingy", my bike was making 208 on a different dyno and only 191 on his.
Ivan was willing to put my bike on his dyno and run it but frankly we had spent several hours going over stuff and I was kind of beat. In addition I did not want to turn a flash comparison into a "whose pipe is best" thread. Next week I will post numbers that my bike is putting down on his dyno with Ivan's ECU Flash and Brock's CT pipe... (Got flamed in a PM & Email over that... SORRY!)
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posted July 24, 2012 01:50 PM
Flamed for what? You pay for your parts! They are not given to you! Boo Hoo if someone is upset because your doing some informational comparisons! I thank you for the info!
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posted July 24, 2012 02:48 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 24 Jul 2012 22:53
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Flamed for what? You pay for your parts! They are not given to you! Boo Hoo if someone is upset because your doing some informational comparisons! I thank you for the info!
That was Seno flaming me in a PM NOT me flaming him . ..In a post above I asked him to keep Brocks name out of his post since Brocks flash and mapping wasn't tested but in the end of his post he used Brocks name .. That is all i asked and i didn't do it in a PM ... Seno PM ME and said i'm kissing Brocks ass ... Now you tell me who flamed who ? And i Never sent Seno a Email EVER !
My post above was only to ask that Seno made it clear that is was Ivans flash Vs ECU Unleashed and had nothing to do with Brocks/Guhl flash and mapping ..
As you can read in my post i thanked him for the info and his and Ivans testing .. Then in a PM i get called an ass kisser by Seno .. I replied in a PM " Let me make this very clear , i kiss no ones ass EVER " If you read any of my posts i have jumped on Ricky Gadon as well as Brock and others , I'm far from an ass kisser .. If something doesn't work i tell you , if it works i tell you .. And i could give a shit if i step on someones toes in doing so ..
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posted July 24, 2012 02:56 PM
Edited By: blue07 on 24 Jul 2012 22:58
." If something doesn't work i tell you , if it works i tell you .. And i could give a shit if i step on someones toes in doing so .. "...yep...stand up guy......FLAME ON!!!!!!
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posted July 24, 2012 03:58 PM
Edited By: Seno on 25 Jul 2012 00:02
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." If something doesn't work i tell you , if it works i tell you .. And i could give a shit if i step on someones toes in doing so .. "...yep...stand up guy......FLAME ON!!!!!!
I agree
Funny thing is my post had nothing at all to do with Smokin...
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posted July 24, 2012 04:12 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 25 Jul 2012 00:36
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." If something doesn't work i tell you , if it works i tell you .. And i could give a shit if i step on someones toes in doing so .. "...yep...stand up guy......FLAME ON!!!!!!
I agree
Funny thing is my post had nothing at all to do with Smokin...
If that is the case you should have been more clear about who PM and Email you .. After your PM it looked to me that the post was aimed at me ..
End of story , all is well and lets move on ..
Thread Hijack over .. 
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