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posted May 02, 2012 12:39 PM
1/8 Mile question
Hello. I'm new to the sight but have been lurking for awhile now.
I have a question for some of you drag racers with more experience than me. I took my bike to the track for the first time last week and made 9 passes with the best pass being a 6.54@114 with a 1.70 60' time. My bike is a 2011 ZX14 (I know, I shoulda waited for the 2012). It's lowered, strapped,stretched to 66", Brocks AH, flies out, BMC filter, PCV with Brocks map and 16/43 gearing. I weigh 186 un-suited.
It had been about 9 years since I had anything on a track. My goal is to get into the 5.90's. My question is, are 5.90's a reasonable goal or is that to fast for my weight. I know I need to work on my 60' but how much more could I pick up by getting it into the 1.50's.
Thanks for any help.
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posted May 02, 2012 02:07 PM
get that 60" down into the 1.4s and you will get your .90s
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posted May 02, 2012 02:25 PM
From what it reads, your bike is set up to easily go 5.90's. I'd guess you just need to leave the line much harder. Like smokes said, 60' in the 1.4s will do it. I ran high 5.90's with a high 1.4 60' on my old 2006. One thing you didn't list is what tire you are running, and at what pressure.
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posted May 02, 2012 02:25 PM
I ran 5.9 at 300lbs stock motor, so your weight should not be a problem.With alot of set time, you should be able to do 1.4-1.3 60'
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posted May 02, 2012 02:26 PM
That would be a hell yes ... Maybe 5.80s with seat time ..
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posted May 02, 2012 03:34 PM
you should be in the mid-1.40s 60 foot time. a 48 rear sprocket would help, but sometimes that doesn't work out with your street riding. You need to be leaving at 7500, the 14 don't make a lot of power below 7000 it's important to keep the motor happy, stay on the clutch. The first 3 feet is the most important. At your weight that bike can run low 5.80s hi 5.70s in good air and with a good rider, low 70s. You should invest in a auto shift. It makes life a lot easier.
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posted May 02, 2012 03:39 PM
Thanks for all the quick input. Glad to see people willing to help. With the responses I got, it looks like I"ll get into the 5.90's with some seat time. Guess it'll just take practice. I think my biggest issue is just not letting the clutch out fast enough. Get's kinda scary about 8000rpm's. Don't wanna loop it.
CraZX14--My rear tire is the factory Bridgestone but I was running about 5 lbs in it. Felt like it was spinning a few times.
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posted May 02, 2012 03:45 PM
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Thanks for all the quick input. Glad to see people willing to help. With the responses I got, it looks like I"ll get into the 5.90's with some seat time. Guess it'll just take practice. I think my biggest issue is just not letting the clutch out fast enough. Get's kinda scary about 8000rpm's. Don't wanna loop it.
CraZX14--My rear tire is the factory Bridgestone but I was running about 5 lbs in it. Felt like it was spinning a few times.
you foot shifting?
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posted May 02, 2012 03:47 PM
Yes, foot shifting. Want an air shifter but havn't gotten one yet.
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posted May 02, 2012 03:54 PM
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Yes, foot shifting. Want an air shifter but havn't gotten one yet.
air shifter will really help you.
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posted May 02, 2012 03:58 PM
 Edited By: vailes3705 on 3 May 2012 00:05
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you should be in the mid-1.40s 60 foot time. a 48 rear sprocket would help, but sometimes that doesn't work out with your street riding. You need to be leaving at 7500, the 14 don't make a lot of power below 7000 it's important to keep the motor happy, stay on the clutch. The first 3 feet is the most important. At your weight that bike can run low 5.80s hi 5.70s in good air and with a good rider, low 70s. You should invest in a auto shift. It makes life a lot easier.
Ken
When you say leave at 7500 do you mean leave at 7500 and keep it around 7500 unitl the clutch is all the way out or leave at 7500 then go to WOT soon as I leave? I realize this is a clutch control issue and I think this may be where I'm messing up.
Wee--I can see where an air shifter would help alot. I have a hard time getting my foot to the peg with a 1.70 60'. It seems like it would be next to impossible to get my foot up in time to shift with a 1.40-50 60' without banging the rev limiter.
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posted May 02, 2012 04:03 PM
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you should be in the mid-1.40s 60 foot time. a 48 rear sprocket would help, but sometimes that doesn't work out with your street riding. You need to be leaving at 7500, the 14 don't make a lot of power below 7000 it's important to keep the motor happy, stay on the clutch. The first 3 feet is the most important. At your weight that bike can run low 5.80s hi 5.70s in good air and with a good rider, low 70s. You should invest in a auto shift. It makes life a lot easier.
Ken
When you say leave at 7500 do you mean leave at 7500 and keep it around 7500 unitl the clutch is all the way out or leave at 7500 then go to WOT soon as I leave? I realize this is a clutch control issue and I think this may be where I'm messing up.
read Drag racing 101 at the top of the page .. that will help you get started ..
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posted May 02, 2012 04:07 PM
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you should be in the mid-1.40s 60 foot time. a 48 rear sprocket would help, but sometimes that doesn't work out with your street riding. You need to be leaving at 7500, the 14 don't make a lot of power below 7000 it's important to keep the motor happy, stay on the clutch. The first 3 feet is the most important. At your weight that bike can run low 5.80s hi 5.70s in good air and with a good rider, low 70s. You should invest in a auto shift. It makes life a lot easier.
Ken
When you say leave at 7500 do you mean leave at 7500 and keep it around 7500 unitl the clutch is all the way out or leave at 7500 then go to WOT soon as I leave? I realize this is a clutch control issue and I think this may be where I'm messing up.
read Drag racing 101 at the top of the page .. that will help you get started ..
Thanks Smokin, I'll do that...
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posted May 02, 2012 04:14 PM
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you should be in the mid-1.40s 60 foot time. a 48 rear sprocket would help, but sometimes that doesn't work out with your street riding. You need to be leaving at 7500, the 14 don't make a lot of power below 7000 it's important to keep the motor happy, stay on the clutch. The first 3 feet is the most important. At your weight that bike can run low 5.80s hi 5.70s in good air and with a good rider, low 70s. You should invest in a auto shift. It makes life a lot easier.
Ken
When you say leave at 7500 do you mean leave at 7500 and keep it around 7500 unitl the clutch is all the way out or leave at 7500 then go to WOT soon as I leave? I realize this is a clutch control issue and I think this may be where I'm messing up.
Wee--I can see where an air shifter would help alot. I have a hard time getting my foot to the peg with a 1.70 60'. It seems like it would be next to impossible to get my foot up in time to shift with a 1.40-50 60' without banging the rev limiter.
What works for one won't work for another. We can just point in the right direction, you have to figure out what you can do with the gearing and weight you have. Some launch off idle some with the shift light already on. What works for them won't always work for the next guy. Best thing to do is get out to the track and make as many passes as you can
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posted May 02, 2012 04:31 PM
Thanks for all the help.
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posted May 02, 2012 05:25 PM
CraZX14--My rear tire is the factory Bridgestone but I was running about 5 lbs in it. Felt like it was spinning a few times.
Get a power 0ne or a shinko (u/soft or hook-up).
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posted May 02, 2012 05:37 PM
If I can go 5.98 at stock wheelbase, you can go sub 6 on a stretched bike easy. You have a ton of work to do getting it off the line and through 1st gear.
Running that low of tire pressure is not going to do you any favors either. At stock wheelbase I rarely went under 30psi on a shinko 003. Stretched you should not have to drop below 15...normally around 20 from my experience.
Best advice is seat time seat time seat time seat time and have FUN. Ask alot of questions from the fast guys...we all start out slow.
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posted May 02, 2012 05:40 PM
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If I can go 5.98 at stock wheelbase, you can go sub 6 on a stretched bike easy. You have a ton of work to do getting it off the line and through 1st gear.
Running that low of tire pressure is not going to do you any favors either. At stock wheelbase I rarely went under 30psi on a shinko 003. Stretched you should not have to drop below 15...normally around 20 from my experience.
Best advice is seat time seat time seat time seat time and have FUN. Ask alot of questions from the fast guys...we all start out slow.
do you weigh 186 unsuited like the OP?
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posted May 02, 2012 06:23 PM
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you should be in the mid-1.40s 60 foot time. a 48 rear sprocket would help, but sometimes that doesn't work out with your street riding. You need to be leaving at 7500, the 14 don't make a lot of power below 7000 it's important to keep the motor happy, stay on the clutch. The first 3 feet is the most important. At your weight that bike can run low 5.80s hi 5.70s in good air and with a good rider, low 70s. You should invest in a auto shift. It makes life a lot easier.
Ken
Holy shit 7500 leave? wow I leave at 4500 to 5000 tops and go 1.35 60 foots and ran 5.71 last year at 185 unsuited and stock motor pump gas. I don't see no need to leave higher then 5000
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posted May 02, 2012 06:37 PM
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CraZX14--My rear tire is the factory Bridgestone but I was running about 5 lbs in it. Felt like it was spinning a few times.
Get a power 0ne or a shinko (u/soft or hook-up).
Yes, a MUST do!
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posted May 02, 2012 06:46 PM
trust me shinko hooks so much better then stock will drop ur 60 foot time. the harder u come out the more ur gana spin, so buy tire and try 5500 rpm and see if it works 4 u then go up and down and see whats ur style. i come out around 6500.
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posted May 02, 2012 07:46 PM
Well I Just read Drag Racing 101...guess I shoulda read that first. I also just ordered a Shinko Hook Up. It should be here in a few days. Between the tire and the tips on here, hopefully I'll see some low 6's in the near future and 5.90's after some seat time. Thanks again for all the replys. I think this is about the most helpful forum I've ever been on.
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posted May 02, 2012 08:10 PM
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Well I Just read Drag Racing 101...guess I shoulda read that first. I also just ordered a Shinko Hook Up. It should be here in a few days. Between the tire and the tips on here, hopefully I'll see some low 6's in the near future and 5.90's after some seat time. Thanks again for all the replys. I think this is about the most helpful forum I've ever been on.
Good to hear - keep us posted on the progress!
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posted May 02, 2012 08:16 PM
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you should be in the mid-1.40s 60 foot time. a 48 rear sprocket would help, but sometimes that doesn't work out with your street riding. You need to be leaving at 7500, the 14 don't make a lot of power below 7000 it's important to keep the motor happy, stay on the clutch. The first 3 feet is the most important. At your weight that bike can run low 5.80s hi 5.70s in good air and with a good rider, low 70s. You should invest in a auto shift. It makes life a lot easier.
Ken
Holy shit 7500 leave? wow I leave at 4500 to 5000 tops and go 1.35 60 foots and ran 5.71 last year at 185 unsuited and stock motor pump gas. I don't see no need to leave higher then 5000
that's about the rpms I leave at. pull 1.26-1.27 every time and several 1.25. like someone said. what works doe one doesn't always work for everyone.
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posted May 02, 2012 10:25 PM
Sam and Dave both leave at high RPM's like that also on our 14. We're not pulling 60's like quick6 (he's amazing BTW) but 1.33's for Dave @ 160#'s and 1.34's for Sam @ 240#'s have been achieved so far. Good 60's and 330's don't happen overnight. Both Sam's (drag racing for 30 years) and Dave's (drag racing for 2 years) 60's continue to fall with more seat time. Yours will too as you keep at it. Good luck and have fun.
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