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posted March 27, 2012 06:36 PM
But I wonder if that would have happend as bad with 10-40 oil in it or if the zero weight is a bigger factor then the bike it's self?
  
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posted March 27, 2012 06:41 PM
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But I wonder if that would have happend as bad with 10-40 oil in it or if the zero weight is a bigger factor then the bike it's self?
i wonder if KHI warranty is valid with 0 wt oil
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posted March 27, 2012 06:44 PM
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thank gawd ..busa's don't have this issue
And if it did you could take the air box off and clean it, just saying. but who would buy a busa they need a clutch mod!
you can also run your crankcase vent into the PAR system so it can pull a vacum on your crankcase at high rpm .. from what i hear..
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posted March 27, 2012 06:50 PM
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Wee the black over flow bottle is from the gas tank vent .. Should not be any oil in the there ... The only drain for the air box is the clear bottle that goes to the lower part of the air box .. I checked mine and it's clean and dry ( no oil at all ) .. The Gen one had it down by the water pump and had a plug that you could remove to drain the air box .. The gen two has nothing but a very short hose and clear bottle ... Took me a few seconds to find it because it's tucked up under the TBs ..
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posted March 27, 2012 06:54 PM
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But I wonder if that would have happend as bad with 10-40 oil in it or if the zero weight is a bigger factor then the bike it's self?
Possible i guess .. My guess it was over full ... This happened all the time on Gen 1s that were over filled ..
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posted March 27, 2012 06:54 PM
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Wee the black over flow bottle is from the gas tank vent .. Should not be any oil in the there ... The only drain for the air box is the clear bottle that goes to the lower part of the air box .. I checked mine and it's clean and dry ( no oil at all ) .. The Gen one had it down by the water pump and had a plug that you could remove to drain the air box .. The gen two has nothing but a very short hose and clear bottle ... Took me a few seconds to find it because it's tucked up under the TBs ..
its oily, but it did smell gassy
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posted March 27, 2012 06:56 PM
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thank gawd ..busa's don't have this issue
And if it did you could take the air box off and clean it, just saying. but who would buy a busa they need a clutch mod!
go play with your 14R CLONE. LOL
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posted March 27, 2012 06:57 PM
Looks like he's still running the flies in... To much oil is what it looks like to me!
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posted March 27, 2012 06:58 PM
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Wee the black over flow bottle is from the gas tank vent .. Should not be any oil in the there ... The only drain for the air box is the clear bottle that goes to the lower part of the air box .. I checked mine and it's clean and dry ( no oil at all ) .. The Gen one had it down by the water pump and had a plug that you could remove to drain the air box .. The gen two has nothing but a very short hose and clear bottle ... Took me a few seconds to find it because it's tucked up under the TBs ..
its oily, but it did smell gassy
wee
Wee i traced it and it goes right to the back of the gas tank .. There are two nipples at the back of the tank , one is the drain from the gas cap ( water from rain or washing the bike ) the other is for the pressure being vented from the tank ..
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posted March 27, 2012 07:12 PM
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thank gawd ..busa's don't have this issue
And if it did you could take the air box off and clean it, just saying. but who would buy a busa they need a clutch mod!
go play with your 14R CLONE. LOL
I will in April, but with lack of seat time it will probably only be about .04 quicker then before.
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posted March 27, 2012 07:22 PM
wee, did you lube your chain? could be wd-40.
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posted March 28, 2012 02:38 AM
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wee, did you lube your chain? could be wd-40.
I use chain wax, I'll mess with it when I get home.
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posted March 28, 2012 02:41 AM
its oily, but it did smell gassy
wee
Stop eating so much beans... Problem solved!
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posted March 28, 2012 05:12 AM
Edited By: BobC on 28 Mar 2012 13:14
My 2006 bike would get oil up the crankcase breather into the airbox after LSR or dyno work but not as much as Brock's video. That bike was really pumping! Could the oil-level in the sump have been a little high?
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posted March 28, 2012 05:38 AM
I am going to check mine over the weekend. I checked in the box after near 25 dyno pulls with the 0wt oil, and all was fine. I've since put more pulls on it and some road miles.
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posted March 28, 2012 08:33 AM
just a thought , bigger engine same crankcase capacity. maybe will be more of an issue on the 14r, possible the oil level will be a bit more critical
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posted March 28, 2012 09:21 AM
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what them goobers needed is the ram air pressure to push the oil into the bottle and intakes.. no ram air on a dyno.. but what you'll get is a brock's mod for $300.00.. hehe
LOL lmfao
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posted March 28, 2012 12:33 PM
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thank gawd ..busa's don't have this issue
And if it did you could take the air box off and clean it, just saying. but who would buy a busa they need a clutch mod!
idot so does the new zx14r need a clutch mod
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posted March 28, 2012 12:40 PM
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thank gawd ..busa's don't have this issue
And if it did you could take the air box off and clean it, just saying. but who would buy a busa they need a clutch mod!
idot so does the new zx14r need a clutch mod
What exactly did you just try saying?
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posted March 28, 2012 12:58 PM
Looks like two main reasons for the blowby....
1. High engine rpm due to extensive dyno testing.
2. Extremely thin viscosity oil being used for HP development.
3. Oil in crankcase may be slightly above center levels in sight window.
Just part of the job of doing business to develop high performance....just clean it up and keep testing
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posted March 28, 2012 01:34 PM
C'mon guys... do you REALLY think I'm going to have too much oil in my bike on the dyno?
1. The oil was at the low level in the window.
2. I use tunning link software, so the bike sees SEVERE loads most people will never see - unless they race top speed, tag the limiter a bunch or a combination of both.
3. ALL oil is 'light' under severe pressures and high speeds.
4. I am testing at 500 RPM BEYOND the manufacturer's limit for this bike
5. My point is there is NO DRAIN whatsoever, so watch out for the issue. It doesn't need to be as severe as mine to slow you down and it doesn't take long to inspect - just look at your overflow bottle.
Slugger has seen 400 miles of pure dyno hell with <<0 weight oil and Petron, and hasn't broken a sweat... We just made 227 RWHP (STD scale) last night on MR12 after a couple Alisyn shooters! BuuuuuurrrrrP... We will be at the track soon, so watch the F*ck out boys, it's about to get REALLY FUN in my world (:
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posted March 28, 2012 01:46 PM
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Looks like two main reasons for the blowby....
1. High engine rpm due to extensive dyno testing.
2. Extremely thin viscosity oil being used for HP development.
3. Oil in crankcase may be slightly above center levels in sight window.
Just part of the job of doing business to develop high performance....just clean it up and keep testing
you've come along way since asking how to tighten a chain. lol
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posted March 28, 2012 02:09 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 28 Mar 2012 22:10
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5. My point is there is NO DRAIN whatsoever, so watch out for the issue. It doesn't need to be as severe as mine to slow you down and it doesn't take long to inspect - just look at your overflow bottle.
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so you saying theres no way in hell the oil can drain back down the same vent hose it came up from with motor off .. i just don't know if the crankcase vent tube in the air box is flush or heighten .. you didn't show that part in your video...
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posted March 28, 2012 02:11 PM
Edited By: RICH CRAFT 1 on 28 Mar 2012 22:20
quote: you can also run your crankcase vent into the PAR system so it can pull a vacum on your crankcase at high rpm .. from what i hear..
yes I have done this on my ZX12 and ZX14. I checked the vacuum it pulled about 1 pound WOT, and about 8 pounds When you close the throttle at hi RPM. that 8 pounds would pull the oil up out of the oil pan and inject it into the exhaust port. My son rides the bike, shortly after we had done this. He made a eighth mile run, and when he let off on the other in it look like the bike had blown up. Smoke was roaring out the exhaust. So here was the fix, I used a piece of Scotch Brite. About three quarters of an inch long and lightly rolled it up and stuck it in the half inch hose at the highest point close to the injectors. So the oil can run back down the hose to the crankcase. also make sure if you do this, that all parts of the hose or run down he'll back into the engine. So no puddling can occur.
here is an important fact that happen to me, I use a bulldog stand under the rear wheel to keep the bike straight up. If you check your oil like this. It will show a half a quart low, so I put a have a quart in it and went to the track. I lost about .05 ET and about one Mph or about 5 hp. it took me a couple weeks to figure out what the problem was. I drank a half a quart out, went back to the track, and it went back to running what it did before. I don't recommend running the engine low. I have an oil pressure gauge on both bike, if you roll along at 20 mph and whacked the throttle. It will lose oil pressure from 60 pounds down to about 20 pounds for about 3 seconds. It only takes 5 pounds to put you oil light out, it is dumping the oil out of the pan into the transmission. The lower you get on the site glass the worse this problem gets. I have not noticed any horsepower gains from running it low on oil so I run mine, full, but never below half a glass.
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posted March 28, 2012 03:09 PM
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5. My point is there is NO DRAIN whatsoever, so watch out for the issue. It doesn't need to be as severe as mine to slow you down and it doesn't take long to inspect - just look at your overflow bottle.
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so you saying theres no way in hell the oil can drain back down the same vent hose it came up from with motor off .. i just don't know if the crankcase vent tube in the air box is flush or heighten .. you didn't show that part in your video...
It didn't... I'm not sure if they have a reed valve like the Gen 2 Busa or ? No time to investigate such details - too busy making maps.
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