Lucky14
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posted March 23, 2012 05:27 PM
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Are you saying these bikes come with a special oil to break them in or are you calling the oil that went the first 200 miles break in oil. cause as far as I know there is not a bike that comes with "break in Oil" they come with a standard oil just like you put back in at the first 600 mile oil change.
You tell me ..........
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posted March 23, 2012 05:47 PM
Yup, had the same oil in my bike....
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ZXedOUT
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posted March 23, 2012 11:01 PM
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I agree with all of the above. When I get home from work today, I'll have approximately 60 miles on mine and plan on doing my first oil change. In those miles, I constantly change engine load / rpm and ride enthusiastically but not insane. I've got the revs up to 9k once but usually stick between 6-7k going through the gears. After the fresh oil (Castrol GTX 10w-40 car stuff), I'll be a bit more agressive....and I'm sure by some, I'm being too conservative. I think Smokin said he was running the 1/4 on his new ride before it had 100 miles.
don't tell anyone but mine had 35 miles on it at the first drag strip outing. Did my first oil change before going with Castrol GTX.
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Is there anything special about using castrol gtx car oil or is any good oil ok for flushing?
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cruiserman_83
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posted March 24, 2012 12:53 AM
I changed factory oil at 600km to 5w40 syn, then again @ 5700km. Just dynoed 203hp sae with brocks ct single. Im happy with that!
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Bently
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posted March 24, 2012 04:46 AM
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Are you saying these bikes come with a special oil to break them in or are you calling the oil that went the first 200 miles break in oil. cause as far as I know there is not a bike that comes with "break in Oil" they come with a standard oil just like you put back in at the first 600 mile oil change.
You tell me ..........
Unless they are doing something different with the 14r that's still not special break in oil.
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Bently
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posted March 24, 2012 04:47 AM
Maybe someone can send a sample of the oil they drain out of the new 14r to a lab and get a report on what it is.
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Wheelie
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posted March 24, 2012 05:13 AM
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Are you saying these bikes come with a special oil to break them in or are you calling the oil that went the first 200 miles break in oil. cause as far as I know there is not a bike that comes with "break in Oil" they come with a standard oil just like you put back in at the first 600 mile oil change.
You tell me ..........
Unless they are doing something different with the 14r that's still not special break in oil.
you still say it's "standard" oil?
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Bently
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posted March 24, 2012 08:08 AM
That's what I was told by the kawasaki and suzuki reps when I was working at the dealership. they don't use special break in oil. not saying they didn't change it on the 14r but I wiould be surprised. And 9 out of 10 bikes we sold never got the first oil change until between 600 and 1000 miles. the average customer is not draining there oil after 30 to 60 miles or even 200 miles.
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zx9rmal
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posted March 24, 2012 08:09 AM
Mine looked nothing like that at the first change on my 14R. At 500 miles it looked liked regular oil needing a change, very dark.
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Bently
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posted March 24, 2012 08:12 AM
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Mine looked nothing like that at the first change on my 14R. At 500 miles it looked liked regular oil needing a change, very dark.
That's what I always see as well.
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Artanis
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posted March 24, 2012 08:48 AM
The breakin oil that comes from the factory is a special formula that is designed to do certain things. It stinks of sulfur that is used to break in gears and other moving parts. Kawasaki wants it gone in 600 miles. I put a new filter on at 300 miles to make sure all of the filings would be trapped and at just over 600 miles I went to Amsoil full synthetic and a new filter. Do not use any oil that is not designed to be used in anything but a motorcycle. I just follow the break-in procedure that Kawasaki recommends up to the first 1000 miles. Just makes sense.
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Bently
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posted March 24, 2012 09:40 AM
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The breakin oil that comes from the factory is a special formula that is designed to do certain things. It stinks of sulfur that is used to break in gears and other moving parts. Kawasaki wants it gone in 600 miles. I put a new filter on at 300 miles to make sure all of the filings would be trapped and at just over 600 miles I went to Amsoil full synthetic and a new filter. Do not use any oil that is not designed to be used in anything but a motorcycle. I just follow the break-in procedure that Kawasaki recommends up to the first 1000 miles. Just makes sense.
Well you couldn't be more wrong about not using any oil except motorcycle oil. Hate to say we have been doing it for years. and where did you get the info on the break in oil? we get over 500 passses from our clutches with mobil 1 car oil.
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Wheelie
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posted March 24, 2012 09:42 AM
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The breakin oil that comes from the factory is a special formula that is designed to do certain things. It stinks of sulfur that is used to break in gears and other moving parts. Kawasaki wants it gone in 600 miles. I put a new filter on at 300 miles to make sure all of the filings would be trapped and at just over 600 miles I went to Amsoil full synthetic and a new filter. Do not use any oil that is not designed to be used in anything but a motorcycle. I just follow the break-in procedure that Kawasaki recommends up to the first 1000 miles. Just makes sense.
Well you couldn't be more wrong about not using any oil except motorcycle oil. Hate to say we have been doing it for years. and where did you get the info on the break in oil? we get over 500 passses from our clutches with mobil 1 car oil.
you get over 800 passes with nos!
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MJ
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posted March 24, 2012 10:21 AM
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That's what I was told by the kawasaki and suzuki reps when I was working at the dealership. they don't use special break in oil. not saying they didn't change it on the 14r but I wiould be surprised. And 9 out of 10 bikes we sold never got the first oil change until between 600 and 1000 miles. the average customer is not draining there oil after 30 to 60 miles or even 200 miles.
I'm sure all the assembly lube makes the first batch of oil that comes out of a new bike look a little funny, especially if you dump it super quick before it has a chance to darken up. I doubt its anything but regular oil though.
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Artanis
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posted March 24, 2012 02:08 PM
I just got off the phone with the service rep @ Power Sports in Sublimity, Or. where I picked up my 2012 and I asked him about the oil that came in the bike. He told me that the bike came with the oil in it and all they did was to check the level. I asked him if it was special break-in oil and he said that was.
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bigwil
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posted March 25, 2012 05:51 AM
I dont no we're you got your bike but mine came with no oil in it we put standerd oil in it Right out of the crate there is no breaking oil Kwai is using maybe your bike came from another dealer that prep it . Kwai does not ship with oil in them
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Bently
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posted March 25, 2012 06:15 AM
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I dont no we're you got your bike but mine came with no oil in it we put standerd oil in it Right out of the crate there is no breaking oil Kwai is using maybe your bike came from another dealer that prep it . Kwai does not ship with oil in them
Unless kawasaki changed something for 2012 all there bikes ship with oil in them.
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Bently
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posted March 25, 2012 06:16 AM
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The breakin oil that comes from the factory is a special formula that is designed to do certain things. It stinks of sulfur that is used to break in gears and other moving parts. Kawasaki wants it gone in 600 miles. I put a new filter on at 300 miles to make sure all of the filings would be trapped and at just over 600 miles I went to Amsoil full synthetic and a new filter. Do not use any oil that is not designed to be used in anything but a motorcycle. I just follow the break-in procedure that Kawasaki recommends up to the first 1000 miles. Just makes sense.
Well you couldn't be more wrong about not using any oil except motorcycle oil. Hate to say we have been doing it for years. and where did you get the info on the break in oil? we get over 500 passses from our clutches with mobil 1 car oil.
you get over 800 passes with nos!
wee
Well my buddy gets that many on his Busa clutch but I can't gewt that many 300 to 400 for me nos or not. but I'm happy with 300 to 400 passes
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riaansh
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posted March 26, 2012 03:36 AM
Brock noted on his forum he is using Mobil 1 with a Busa that cures a clutch problem.
Does anyone know if all Mobil 1 oil the same and shipped all over the world or is it mixed at various ditribution centres for local use? How will you know if there is friction modifiers in oil. What does friction modifiers do to a clutch, will it make it slip?
This oil thing is always worrying me.
We only have Shell Helix here in South Africa and not the Rotella product, wondering if it is the same thing!
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Bently
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posted March 26, 2012 03:42 AM
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Brock noted on his forum he is using Mobil 1 with a Busa that cures a clutch problem.
Does anyone know if all Mobil 1 oil the same and shipped all over the world or is it mixed at various ditribution centres for local use? How will you know if there is friction modifiers in oil. What does friction modifiers do to a clutch, will it make it slip?
This oil thing is always worrying me.
We only have Shell Helix here in South Africa and not the Rotella product, wondering if it is the same thing!
Been using mobil1 car oil synthetic in my bikes since 02 and have never had a clutch slip weather it be a Busa or a 14, can't speak of the 14r as it appears to have a clutch that needs a clutch mod.
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riaansh
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posted March 26, 2012 03:47 AM
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Brock noted on his forum he is using Mobil 1 with a Busa that cures a clutch problem.
Does anyone know if all Mobil 1 oil the same and shipped all over the world or is it mixed at various ditribution centres for local use? How will you know if there is friction modifiers in oil. What does friction modifiers do to a clutch, will it make it slip?
This oil thing is always worrying me.
We only have Shell Helix here in South Africa and not the Rotella product, wondering if it is the same thing!
Been using mobil1 car oil synthetic in my bikes since 02 and have never had a clutch slip weather it be a Busa or a 14, can't speak of the 14r as it appears to have a clutch that needs a clutch mod.
Thanks Bently I think I must give it a try.
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posted March 31, 2012 06:43 AM
Before I spoke, I wanted to do some research about oils, this one link that I find very interesting (http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/api_comparative_motor_oil_testing.htm)
Here's a performance oil dyno shoot out:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49kETjPZP9Y)
www.rigoli.com.au/evo_dyno.jpg for the printed results
Where is can you purchase the Nulon 5w 30 motor oil
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VINCE12
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posted April 07, 2012 10:18 AM
Mine didn't look like the pics above but it had lots of very fine metal flake and was very dirty for only having 36 miles. Wish I would have changed it sooner.
I put in Rotella T 15W-40 and I'll probably change to synthetic around 500 miles.
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blue07
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posted April 07, 2012 11:57 AM
Edited By: blue07 on 7 Apr 2012 20:06
At 85 miles...my oil(factory) looked almost clear...as when it was put in.It looked new.Nothing in there strange...no pieces of anything...nada.No sediment.Went from that to 10/40 Motul Full syn 7100.Ran that till 1100 miles...now have 3100V Motul in there...10/40.Gonna add some petron to it as well.The second oil change...that Motul looked virtually brand new as well...same results...clean.Break in was very similar to Rook's...although I stayed clear of 130.But going into the 9's and such...and powering through the gears and back down...ya...I did that...I did not stay with the 'Kawasaki" break in guidelines.My baby runs awesome..smooth as glass and quiet.1200+ miles on er now.
Just made two high speed runs yesterday on her...the tach was at 10,900 something,the needle was reading at the spot where 190 would have been along the speedo dial face.If that means anything.Both times I had to back out...ran out of road.She will corner however at 170!
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sands
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posted April 07, 2012 05:04 PM
Yup, the "break in oil" is simply regular oil (probably Kawichem)...The only reason it's called "break in" oil is because it just so happens to be the oil in there while you're breaking it in...But it's not a "different" type of oil....Don't bother asking the folks at the dealership either, most of them have zero clue and repeat the "special break in oil" phrase just because they heard it somewhere before.
As far as break in is concerned I do a "hard" break in....And when I say hard I DO NOT mean mindlessly riding it hard with no thought or concern of high rpm...When I say hard break in I mean HEAVY throttle...My only concern during break in gas pressure, not rpm...Heavy to full throttle inputs and let off throttle to keep rpms down...I try to find an area where I can spend most of my time either accelerating or decelerating and try to keep the rpms down to a moderate level.....It's gas pressure, not high rpm which seats rings so short bursts of heavy throttle and you would have no problem following most manufacturers break in recommendations (for rpm limits) and still have properly seated rings..
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