tking
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posted February 19, 2012 04:39 PM
zx14 head milling ?
I currently have my head off and was going to have it milled .020. But then I've been reading about a 60/40 cut on the head and was wondering if any valve work was needed for this to be done. This is mostly street driven with some track. I have adjustable cam sprockets and was also wondering what numbers to use when degreeing the cams in going either way?
  
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Swiftkart
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posted February 19, 2012 05:21 PM
Do the .020 or even .030 mill, it will aloow you to do other stuff like porting down the road if you chose, if you do the 60/40 the head will be pretty much useless for anything else.
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tking
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posted February 19, 2012 05:28 PM
What kind of power increases do you expect with .030 and what cam numbers should be used?
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smokinZX14
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posted February 19, 2012 05:34 PM
.020 will give you right at 13.1 ... If you go 40/60 15.1 maybe more ..
Here is the deal .. cut the head 20 ... use the stock head gasket ... set cams to 105 105 ... Seeing you have to remove the valves to mill the head do a light blowl clean up on the intake side .. Don't worry about the exhaust side ... 13+ HP increase in power ... Trust me been there done that and it works ..
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tking
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posted February 19, 2012 05:40 PM
So 105/105 is optimum for this setup? Are ported throttle bodies worth anything on this setup?
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smokinZX14
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posted February 19, 2012 05:47 PM
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So 105/105 is optimum for this setup? Are ported throttle bodies worth anything on this setup?
105 105 are the best numbers ... Can't say about the TBs , never tried them ...
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Bently
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posted February 19, 2012 06:01 PM
I just had my head done by osr and they milled 20 off and we put the cams in at 105/105 so I hope I see a noticable difference this spring at the track!
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tking
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posted February 19, 2012 06:05 PM
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I just had my head done by osr and they milled 20 off and we put the cams in at 105/105 so I hope I see a noticable difference this spring at the track!
Did you get a dyno tune done?
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tking
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posted February 19, 2012 06:24 PM
and why .020 is .030 too much?
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posted February 20, 2012 04:03 AM
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I just had my head done by osr and they milled 20 off and we put the cams in at 105/105 so I hope I see a noticable difference this spring at the track!
Did you get a dyno tune done?
Not yet, just got bike together. Will be in the near future.
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posted February 20, 2012 04:55 AM
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.020 will give you right at 13.1 ... If you go 40/60 15.1 maybe more ..
Here is the deal .. cut the head 20 ... use the stock head gasket ... set cams to 105 105 ... Seeing you have to remove the valves to mill the head do a light blowl clean up on the intake side .. Don't worry about the exhaust side ... 13+ HP increase in power ... Trust me been there done that and it works ..
Smoking,I thought you would leave the intake alone ,and clean up the exhaust side
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darrylez1
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posted February 20, 2012 05:33 AM
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.020 will give you right at 13.1 ... If you go 40/60 15.1 maybe more ..
Here is the deal .. cut the head 20 ... use the stock head gasket ... set cams to 105 105 ... Seeing you have to remove the valves to mill the head do a light blowl clean up on the intake side .. Don't worry about the exhaust side ... 13+ HP increase in power ... Trust me been there done that and it works ..
Smoking,I thought you would leave the intake alone ,and clean up the exhaust side
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tking
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posted February 28, 2012 08:11 AM
I milled the head .025 and set cams at 105/105 and put carpenter springs in it and took it to the dyno and it made 196hp, they suggested moving the rev limiter up 500 because it was still climbing, do those numbers sound right?
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tking
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posted February 28, 2012 08:21 AM
Not sure if it matters but bike was dyno'd with 93 octane and is sitting at 67 inches with power one tires
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Rajun Cajun
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posted February 28, 2012 10:30 AM
How much does this upgrade/power increase cost?
milling the heads
bowl clean up
adjustable cam sprockets and installing them
tear down and reassemble
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posted February 28, 2012 02:42 PM
Milling the head 60/40 will give you 13.2 to 1 that's all you will ever get from milling the head because you are right at the 45 seat angles.
We do the 60/40 in our super-sport head package along with a valve job that reshapes the seat profile and choke. We also do some work on the short turn of the intake ports as well as some exhaust port work.
With our bored out 47mm throttle bodies and mr-12 fuel we have seen 210 rwhp on Brocks dyno. Cams were at 110 on the intake and 108 on the exhaust.
give us a call for more details.
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posted February 28, 2012 02:43 PM
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I milled the head .025 and set cams at 105/105 and put carpenter springs in it and took it to the dyno and it made 196hp, they suggested moving the rev limiter up 500 because it was still climbing, do those numbers sound right?
Did you dyno before hand to see the gains by chance?
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tking
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posted February 28, 2012 02:56 PM
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I milled the head .025 and set cams at 105/105 and put carpenter springs in it and took it to the dyno and it made 196hp, they suggested moving the rev limiter up 500 because it was still climbing, do those numbers sound right?
Did you dyno before hand to see the gains by chance?
No I didn't but I was expecting more, I just bought the bike a couple weeks ago
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tking
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posted February 28, 2012 02:57 PM
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Milling the head 60/40 will give you 13.2 to 1 that's all you will ever get from milling the head because you are right at the 45 seat angles.
We do the 60/40 in our super-sport head package along with a valve job that reshapes the seat profile and choke. We also do some work on the short turn of the intake ports as well as some exhaust port work.
With our bored out 47mm throttle bodies and mr-12 fuel we have seen 210 rwhp on Brocks dyno. Cams were at 110 on the intake and 108 on the exhaust.
give us a call for more details.
I tried to get a hold of you before I started but wasnt able too, left a couple messages.
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posted February 28, 2012 03:00 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 28 Feb 2012 23:01
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Milling the head 60/40 will give you 13.2 to 1 that's all you will ever get from milling the head because you are right at the 45 seat angles.
We do the 60/40 in our super-sport head package along with a valve job that reshapes the seat profile and choke. We also do some work on the short turn of the intake ports as well as some exhaust port work.
With our bored out 47mm throttle bodies and mr-12 fuel we have seen 210 rwhp on Brocks dyno. Cams were at 110 on the intake and 108 on the exhaust.
give us a call for more details.
Jim, what are you charging for your SS head package? That sounds like a streetable CR and setup?
Shane
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tking
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posted February 28, 2012 03:02 PM
Edited By: tking on 28 Feb 2012 23:08
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How much does this upgrade/power increase cost?
milling the heads
bowl clean up
adjustable cam sprockets and installing them
tear down and reassemble
Milling head 60.00
bowl blending just some time
cam sprockets 50.00
springs 150.00
Head gasket 90.00
oil and filter 50.00
plugs 40.00
engine ice 40.00
tear down and reassemble just some time
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Rajun Cajun
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posted February 29, 2012 06:37 PM
quote:
quote:
How much does this upgrade/power increase cost?
milling the heads
bowl clean up
adjustable cam sprockets and installing them
tear down and reassemble
Milling head 60.00
bowl blending just some time
cam sprockets 50.00
springs 150.00
Head gasket 90.00
oil and filter 50.00
plugs 40.00
engine ice 40.00
tear down and reassemble just some time
That sounds like a nice price! Thank you!
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posted March 01, 2012 04:39 AM
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Milling the head 60/40 will give you 13.2 to 1 that's all you will ever get from milling the head because you are right at the 45 seat angles.
We do the 60/40 in our super-sport head package along with a valve job that reshapes the seat profile and choke. We also do some work on the short turn of the intake ports as well as some exhaust port work.
With our bored out 47mm throttle bodies and mr-12 fuel we have seen 210 rwhp on Brocks dyno. Cams were at 110 on the intake and 108 on the exhaust.
give us a call for more details.
I tried to get a hold of you before I started but wasnt able too, left a couple messages.
Sorry, this time of year is crazy and i cant always get to the phone. I try and call everyone back same day, Not sure what happened.
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posted March 01, 2012 04:40 AM
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Milling the head 60/40 will give you 13.2 to 1 that's all you will ever get from milling the head because you are right at the 45 seat angles.
We do the 60/40 in our super-sport head package along with a valve job that reshapes the seat profile and choke. We also do some work on the short turn of the intake ports as well as some exhaust port work.
With our bored out 47mm throttle bodies and mr-12 fuel we have seen 210 rwhp on Brocks dyno. Cams were at 110 on the intake and 108 on the exhaust.
give us a call for more details.
Jim, what are you charging for your SS head package? That sounds like a streetable CR and setup?
Shane
$650 ready to bolt on
$530 for 47mm throttle bodies
$60 adjustable cam sprockets
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posted March 01, 2012 08:25 AM
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How much does this upgrade/power increase cost?
milling the heads
bowl clean up
adjustable cam sprockets and installing them
tear down and reassemble
Milling head 60.00
bowl blending just some time
cam sprockets 50.00
springs 150.00
Head gasket 90.00
oil and filter 50.00
plugs 40.00
engine ice 40.00
tear down and reassemble just some time
If I knew you were close to me, I'd drop my bike off and have it done, if of course you wouldn't mind (and charge me of course the labor because I just don't have it in me to do it myself).
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