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posted February 12, 2012 08:47 AM
Just GREAT the AMA got the gooberment to study E85
Right now it's legal to sell fuel blended with up to 10% ethanol. Almost any vehicle can safely burn that but it's suspected of causing premature wear to lawn mowers, boat engines, chainsaws and small engines. I guess there is concern that the same issues will be present in motorcycle engines which is perhaps why the AMA pushed for this study.
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Motorcycle Legislation
A key U.S. House committee has approved a bill that would require an independent scientific study of the effects of ethanol-gasoline blends on engines, the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) reports.
By a 19-7 vote on Feb. 7, the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology approved H.R. 3199 to require the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to seek an independent scientific analysis of the effects of E15 - a new gasoline formulation that contains up to 15 percent ethanol by volume - on engines.
The measure, introduced by committee Vice Chairman Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), now goes to the full House for a vote. If approved, it then moves to the Senate for further consideration.
Wayne Allard (AMA Vice President for Government Relations) says: "This independent research is needed to ensure that new ethanol-gasoline blends won't damage motorcycle and all-terrain vehicle engines. We applaud the committee for supporting this crucial legislation."
The AMA has repeatedly expressed concerns to government officials and federal lawmakers about possible damage to motorcycle and all-terrain vehicle (ATV) engines caused by the inadvertent use of E15 when the new fuel becomes widely available, and has asked that motorcycles and ATVs be part of any scientific study into the effects of E15.
In October 2010, the EPA approved the use of E15 in model year 2007 and newer light-duty vehicles (cars, light-duty trucks and medium-duty passenger vehicles). Then, in January 2011, the EPA added model year 2001-2006 light-duty vehicles to the approved list.
No motorcycles or ATVs are currently on the list.
The AMA and its partner group, the All-Terrain Vehicle Association, have expressed concerns about E15 being mistakenly used and damaging engines in motorcycles and ATVs, and about the continued availability of gasoline that has no ethanol - or gasoline with only a 10 percent blend - that is safe for use in motorcycles and ATVs.
To contact your federal lawmakers to urge them to support H.R. 3199, go to AmericanMotorcyclist.com > Rights > Issue & Legislation.
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posted February 12, 2012 08:51 AM
 Edited By: 1badzx12r on 12 Feb 2012 16:52
even tho i've run E85 for 2 years and think it great and had no issues from it.. i don't like them using food for fuel .. just look at corn prices and everything that feeds off of corn has skyrocketed .. from steaks to chicken's to milk to cerals .. but them poor ass farmers aren't making any money .. must be the gas companies that are making the money ... or the moonshiner's
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posted February 12, 2012 09:01 AM
gsxr-1000 is lighter than a zx-14
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posted February 12, 2012 09:09 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 12 Feb 2012 17:10
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gsxr-1000 is lighter than a zx-14
wee
any gsxr is faster and quicker than your zx14R ..
i told you to buy a vmax
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posted February 12, 2012 09:10 AM
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gsxr-1000 is lighter than a zx-14
wee
any gsxr is faster and quicker than your zx14R ..
you get on one and show me.
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posted February 12, 2012 09:12 AM
i can get on a peddle bike and run your numbers
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posted February 12, 2012 09:17 AM
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Wheelie quit talking on the internet and get your ass to the track to get them great number.. its today or never no excuses
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posted February 12, 2012 09:20 AM
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Density Altitude: -1399 feet
Relative Density: 104.16 %
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Wheelie quit talking on the internet and get your ass to the track to get them great number.. its today or never no excuses
http://www.texasraceway.com/index.html
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posted February 12, 2012 09:21 AM
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Density Altitude: -1399 feet
Relative Density: 104.16 %
Texas Raceway
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Wheelie quit talking on the internet and get your ass to the track to get them great number.. its today or never no excuses
http://www.texasraceway.com/index.html
wee
that's my excuse
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posted February 12, 2012 09:23 AM
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Density Altitude: -1399 feet
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Wheelie quit talking on the internet and get your ass to the track to get them great number.. its today or never no excuses
http://www.texasraceway.com/index.html
wee
that's my excuse
wee
well theres only 5 more tracks
http://www.yellobellydragstrip.net/
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posted February 12, 2012 09:25 AM
GSXR-1000 is lighter.
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posted February 12, 2012 09:27 AM
but a vmax is faster
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posted February 12, 2012 09:28 AM
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but a vmax is faster
not in Dallas.
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posted February 12, 2012 09:32 AM
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but a vmax is faster
not in Dallas.
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must be because your tracks sux and have no traction.. just to much power for your tracks
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posted February 12, 2012 09:34 AM
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but a vmax is faster
not in Dallas.
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must be because your tracks sux and have no traction.. just to much power for your tracks
GSXR-1000 is lighter.
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posted February 12, 2012 10:44 AM
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even tho i've run E85 for 2 years and think it great and had no issues from it.. i don't like them using food for fuel .. just look at corn prices and everything that feeds off of corn has skyrocketed .. from steaks to chicken's to milk to cerals .. but them poor ass farmers aren't making any money .. must be the gas companies that are making the money ... or the moonshiner's
Have u ever had gum recidue, or corroded lines in those 2 yrs?
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posted February 12, 2012 11:17 AM
Edited By: zx996 on 12 Feb 2012 19:53
we only have 10% here in the great white north,bike i know of 3 bikes that ran like crap after putting this stuff in.one zx14 wouldn't even start till they drained the tank and put different gas in it.supposedly premium gas has no ethenal in it here,put if you use a pump that shares a hose for all 3 grades,the first gallon with be what ever was used last.
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joel787
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posted February 12, 2012 11:41 AM
Isnt winter blend and summer blend different? Wouldnt that be one of the reasons it had trouble?
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posted February 12, 2012 11:49 AM
a good friend of mine owns a sprint car shop, he told me years ago, when they started using methanol that it would where the cylinders, because there was no oil content in the fuel. They started using a lubricant in the fuel and the problem was fixed.
Here is something I found
Internal combustion engine fuel
Both methanol and ethanol burn at lower temperatures than gasoline, and both are less volatile, making engine starting in cold weather more difficult. Using methanol as a fuel in spark-ignition engines can offer an increased thermal efficiency and increased power output (as compared to gasoline) due to its high octane rating (114[8]) and high heat of vaporization. However, its low energy content of 19.7 MJ/kg and stoichiometric air-to-fuel ratio of 6.42:1 mean that fuel consumption (on volume or mass bases) will be higher than hydrocarbon fuels. The extra water produced also makes the charge rather wet (similar to hydrogen/oxygen combustion engines) and with the formation of acidic products during combustion, the wearing of valves, valve seats and cylinder might be higher than with hydrocarbon burning. Certain additives may be added to the fuel in order to neutralize these acids.
Methanol, just like ethanol, contains soluble and insoluble contaminants.[9] These soluble contaminants, halide ions such as chloride ions, have a large effect on the corrosivity of alcohol fuels. Halide ions increase corrosion in two ways; they chemically attack passivating oxide films on several metals causing pitting corrosion, and they increase the conductivity of the fuel. Increased electrical conductivity promotes electric, galvanic, and ordinary corrosion in the fuel system. Soluble contaminants, such as aluminum hydroxide, itself a product of corrosion by halide ions, clog the fuel system over time.
Methanol is hygroscopic, meaning it will absorb water vapor directly from the atmosphere.[1] Because absorbed water dilutes the fuel value of the methanol (although it suppresses engine knock), and may cause phase separation of methanol-gasoline blends, containers of methanol fuels must be kept tightly sealed.
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zx996
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posted February 12, 2012 11:55 AM
Edited By: zx996 on 12 Feb 2012 19:58
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Isnt winter blend and summer blend different? Wouldnt that be one of the reasons it had trouble?
guess you could say that if it was early in the season,but this was in the middle of summer after the switch over was done.also know of a few cars that were getting misfire codes in the computers after using ethenal.my own turbo cruiser will barely run on ethenal gas,i have to use no ethenal premiun to make it run right.
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posted February 12, 2012 12:43 PM
My RV (Ford E450 chassis) specifically says no E85. And I know when i run Husky brand gas, which adds "up to" 10% ethanol in all their fuels, it seems to be down on power.
But if it means getting off foreign oil dependence, i'm all for using ethanol where we can (ie. make new cars accept it safely). Tho would probably be much easier to jsut do more domestic drilling. That and just reduce fuel consumption across the board. More rail, less cargo trucks would be a good starting point.
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posted February 12, 2012 12:50 PM
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even tho i've run E85 for 2 years and think it great and had no issues from it.. i don't like them using food for fuel .. just look at corn prices and everything that feeds off of corn has skyrocketed .. from steaks to chicken's to milk to cerals .. but them poor ass farmers aren't making any money .. must be the gas companies that are making the money ... or the moonshiner's
Have u ever had gum recidue, or corroded lines in those 2 yrs?
Gum recidue i've had after a year .. i took a hint from the car guys and just ran a couple gallons of pump gas thru the system and it cleans up.. i run a tank full of pump gas every 6 months now just cruising around town
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