quote:errybody always wants to dis the other person because their ideas differ....IMO drag racing from a dig is cool and does prove skillz are involved. But a stock 2012 ZX14R with me on it drag racing RG on a stock ninja 650 will prove NOTHING other than i get there first. Roll on racing is
" like you said " popping up everywhere and becoming more popular. I think its cool and different as well. I like all fast stuff and all kinds of racing in many different forms. Dont hate the other guy because he does not agree with you, try to be respectful to his or her opinions. I would be willing to bet you on heads up even bikes Dynasty Spulock 120lb self would bust your ass and then what? Exactly...Its all good and fun, try to enjoy.
posted February 06, 2012 11:16 AM
Is Alex a red headed guy?
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posted February 06, 2012 11:48 AM
+1, Roll ons require 0 skill....
Drag racing separates the men from the boys, no offense to anyone before someone gets offended.
When they talk about performance it is the quarter mile, not roll ons. Again we are all here because we like ZX-14's...
quote:Okay but say if someone has a lowered and stretched bike, why the fuck would they wanna do a roll race?!!?
My 14 is streched, I prefer racing from a dig, but after moving up here to north Washington from Houston Texas I've noticed a serious lack of skilled riders willing to go from a dig. I'll take what I can get, more often than not it's a roll on race. Even though the extended chain and heavy sticky tire are hurting me in roll ons, I still manage to do very well up here in roll ons, but do extremely well from a dig.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
posted February 06, 2012 12:31 PM
I can only 'race' myself!I'm the only 14(r) here!Think I'm gonna have some fun this year and try some 'dig' launches.Never done anything like that.Sounds fun though.Going in a straight line doesn't seem like much just watching...but DOING it with a 14,modded or not...methinks it's a tad more difficult than some are letting on!The experts make it look SOOOOO easy.NOT!
posted February 06, 2012 01:54 PM
Edited By: shawnski on 6 Feb 2012 21:57
quote:+1, Roll ons require 0 skill....
Drag racing separates the men from the boys, no offense to anyone before someone gets offended.
When they talk about performance it is the quarter mile, not roll ons. Again we are all here because we like ZX-14's...
i disagree with zero skill.. watch this video and tell me what happend... isn't bmw suppose to be faster than r1??
posted February 06, 2012 03:03 PM
If we are strictly talking about 60-130 we're taking a bit of the wheelie/wheelspin issues out of the equation....and capping the speeds to 130 we're taking quite a bit of aerodynamics out of the issue.
To any of you who have posted that roll-on racing takes no skill...have any of you actually participated in a 9/10ths style run? Meaning from a very low speed run for 9/10ths of a mile.
If so what were your results? I'm inclined to believe that those that really think it takes no skill whatsoever probably haven't done it.
Much like kneedraggers who diss drag racing and undermine the skill required for such a quick, sub 10 second cut throat competition I think there are quite a bit of drag racers here
who maybe relatively quick but bring them out to the 9/10ths and they would do poorly.
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posted February 06, 2012 03:06 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 6 Feb 2012 23:11
Most of the roll-on talk here has nothing to do with 9/10th's of a mile....
Even so, dragracing is measured in .001 increments, measured on multiple timers thoughout the track. It is a measure of rider and bike performance...no other "straight-line" venue measures performance to such a level.
Of course, the lightest riders will always have an advantage in all venues. But in a "roll-on" those advantages will be greatest, all things being equal. Twisting the grip is easy...doing it under the measure of time clocks, not so much...
quote:If we are strictly talking about 60-130 we're taking a bit of the wheelie/wheelspin issues out of the equation....and capping the speeds to 130 we're taking quite a bit of aerodynamics out of the issue.
To any of you who have posted that roll-on racing takes no skill...have any of you actually participated in a 9/10ths style run? Meaning from a very low speed run for 9/10ths of a mile.
If so what were your results? I'm inclined to believe that those that really think it takes no skill whatsoever probably haven't done it.
Much like kneedraggers who diss drag racing and undermine the skill required for such a quick, sub 10 second cut throat competition I think there are quite a bit of drag racers here
who maybe relatively quick but bring them out to the 9/10ths and they would do poorly.
A.
so how would one obtain the skill needed for a roll on race? Would having the fastest bike help?
I know you can be a joking kinda guy but I think you can answer your own question.
In a drag race the bike's power matters, just like in a roll-on race, just like it does in a roadrace.
Lets be pretty clear here....at leats in the Busa/14/12R/1000 world you won't really find people doing much "60-130" run. Thats chopping before the top of 3rd. Aeros and ram air don't really start coming into play yet.
But power isn't the only thing that matters. You don't think weight matters? You don't think setup matters? If you really believe that consider this my sincere offer to run you on your bike vs me on my bike in a 9/10ths style run. I'm under the presumption that your streetbike is much like my streetbike, stock motor, n/a pump gas.
While you may jump out a little from the 14R's better down low pull are you really that sure you can hold off a 12R piloted by a rider much lighter than yourself for 9/10ths of a mile?
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I know you can be a joking kinda guy but I think you can answer your own question.
In a drag race the bike's power matters, just like in a roll-on race, just like it does in a roadrace.
Lets be pretty clear here....at leats in the Busa/14/12R/1000 world you won't really find people doing much "60-130" run. Thats chopping before the top of 3rd. Aeros and ram air don't really start coming into play yet.
But power isn't the only thing that matters. You don't think weight matters? You don't think setup matters? If you really believe that consider this my sincere offer to run you on your bike vs me on my bike in a 9/10ths style run. I'm under the presumption that your streetbike is much like my streetbike, stock motor, n/a pump gas.
While you may jump out a little from the 14R's better down low pull are you really that sure you can hold off a 12R piloted by a rider much lighter than yourself for 9/10ths of a mile?
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sounds almost like rocket science, I better stick with drag racing.
posted February 06, 2012 03:23 PM
By the same token, How about you run Wheelie in a 1/8th or 1/4 mile run...or me for that matter? I may lose, or not...but it would be fun to test the theory...right?
I don't care if you beat me...but it would be an interesting race, right??
I don't like your backroad, single lane, in the sticks track...how about at the 9/10th's?
posted February 06, 2012 03:26 PM
Shipteey, were not talking about the 9/10, were talking about roll on's on public roads, interstates, back roads, wherever it may be.
Would I race dynasty in a roll on? She weights over 100 lbs less than me, would that make sense?
I will stick to the track so my stuff is timed and I know exactly how fast I did it.
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posted February 06, 2012 03:26 PM
Wheelie, I'd like to also point out that I would say having too much horsepower actually hinders the skill curve in terms of how long it takes to get proficient if we're talking about a virtual rookie. Too much power can be intimidating to the novice rider.....
I've seen many inexperienced riders get rocked by smaller bikes, even for a 9/10ths run. I've seen many people who "should have" one take a loss....sometimes by a small margin....sometimes by bus lengths.
Just looking at Steddyteddy's avatar shows him launching a ZRX. And while I've never run 9.2s I have run similar MPH....would it be your opinion that if we were to do a roll-on that the advantage of being on a 12R with fairings would start showing its advantage over a naked ZRX up top.
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quote:Wheelie, I'd like to also point out that I would say having too much horsepower actually hinders the skill curve in terms of how long it takes to get proficient if we're talking about a virtual rookie. Too much power can be intimidating to the novice rider.....
I've seen many inexperienced riders get rocked by smaller bikes, even for a 9/10ths run. I've seen many people who "should have" one take a loss....sometimes by a small margin....sometimes by bus lengths.
Just looking at Steddyteddy's avatar shows him launching a ZRX. And while I've never run 9.2s I have run similar MPH....would it be your opinion that if we were to do a roll-on that the advantage of being on a 12R with fairings would start showing its advantage over a naked ZRX up top.
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So, you want to run 9/10th's or not? We can set this up with Sal..
posted February 06, 2012 03:40 PM
shipteey, not sure if you know but I live in Texas, Shane is about my weight and has a zx14r with a stock motor, why not try him? He doesn't live in Texas, Just wondering if you're zx12 has ever had any motor parts replaced?
posted February 06, 2012 03:59 PM
Edited By: BigBore14R on 7 Feb 2012 00:05
Easy bro...you are touching thin skin bad to the bone junk yard dog drag racers in here...lol....which has probably never won shit to talk about....oh i cannot leave out the evil knievel self proclaimed wheelie king....I agree and like the vid...seen a stock 2011 R1 smack a piped Gen2 busa last weekend.....so I guess the whole skill deal went out the window....there is a whole new racing league that has been formed...N.R.R.A....National Roll Racing Association....Run What You Brung....I like it and think its fresh....i have been and always will be at the track racing 1/4 and 1/8....I love it and grew up with it in Dayton Oh with Brock and S&K Racing....I was at Red Lobster In Daytona the night Lee Shirts broke out Lucky Charms...GSXR 600 with a BIG busa motor in it and took errybodys money that night....Im no noob here and I am pretty fast by standards.....i just like new shitz....
posted February 06, 2012 04:01 PM
Wheelie, my street 12R has absolutey nothing done to the motor except for 3 out of 6 stiffer clutch springs. No intake cam on the exhaust side type "stock" setup. No "stock but with a thinner gasket" stock....engine is truely as stock as when it was assembled at Kawasaki in 2000 except for 3 stiffer clutch springs in it. I plan on keeping it like that (reliable and cheap).
As for running Shane, we have a local spot that quite a few of us have frequented, including him. As far as I know his highest speed at that spot was 182. He never reported any shutdown problems to me thus far. I have run there enough to know that even 13 mph faster shutdown was a breeze.
We have even run against each other out there from 2nd through 5th (that was his choice to not run 6th, not mine btw). We have never run thru the top of 6th to see what would happen.
He wants both of us to drive from Northern Virginia all the way to South Florida just to race each other on the street? Unless we are both at S. Florida at the same time on vacation I don't see that happening. And I'm certainly not going to have him thinking he can run me while I'm sitting stock ride height pump gas while he throws on BSTs and MR12 for one quick blast. If we're running its either competely agreed to in terms of parity....or its anything goes....and I know he wants no part of my nitrous 12R. It is my belief that flatout I can go faster with 1200cc on spray than he can on any bike in his garage as of this posting.
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posted February 06, 2012 04:01 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Feb 2012 00:06
quote:shipteey, not sure if you know but I live in Texas, Shane is about my weight and has a zx14r with a stock motor, why not try him? He doesn't live in Texas, Just wondering if you're zx12 has ever had any motor parts replaced?
wee
So, Ali, you want to run 9/10th's or not? We can set this up with Sal..
It sounds like even though I outweigh you by 100 lbs you want to use spray, and run me on a single lane two-way backroad. Sad.
quote:Easy bro...you are touching thin skin bad to the bone junk yard dog drag racers in here...lol....which has probably never won shit to talk about....oh i cannot leave out the evil knievel self proclaimed wheelie king....I agree and like the vid...seen a stock 2011 R1 smack a piped Gen2 busa last weekend.....so I guess the whole skill deal went out the window....there is a whole new racing league that has been formed...N.R.R.A....National Roll Racing Association....Run What You Brung....I like it and think its fresh....
Rumor has it Dallas Raceway will be turned into a N.R.R.A. track, hope other tracks don't follow...
quote:Shipteey, were not talking about the 9/10, were talking about roll on's on public roads, interstates, back roads, wherever it may be.
Would I race dynasty in a roll on? She weights over 100 lbs less than me, would that make sense?
I will stick to the track so my stuff is timed and I know exactly how fast I did it.
For the records I have done 9/10ths runs on public roads...as you mentioned:
On interstates measured out.
On back roads measured out.
Basically "wherever it may be" as you stated.
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quote:shipteey, not sure if you know but I live in Texas, Shane is about my weight and has a zx14r with a stock motor, why not try him? He doesn't live in Texas, Just wondering if you're zx12 has ever had any motor parts replaced?
wee
So, Ali, you want to run 9/10th's or not? We can set this up with Sal..
Shane
Shane, what are the terms you are proposing? If you are saying "we" as in "you and I" why would we need Sal? Of course as with any racing both parties much agree to the terms prior to the race otherwise its a no go. I've already proved that the local 9/10ths spot is the safe at 195.6 mph....you think you and your riding will yield 200+ out there or something?
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Topping out everything from Ninja 250s to nitrous ZX-14s.
quote:shipteey, not sure if you know but I live in Texas, Shane is about my weight and has a zx14r with a stock motor, why not try him? He doesn't live in Texas, Just wondering if you're zx12 has ever had any motor parts replaced?
wee
So, Ali, you want to run 9/10th's or not? We can set this up with Sal..
Shane
Shane, what are the terms you are proposing? If you are saying "we" as in "you and I" why would we need Sal? Of course as with any racing both parties much agree to the terms prior to the race otherwise its a no go. I've already proved that the local 9/10ths spot is the safe at 195.6 mph....you think you and your riding will yield 200+ out there or something?
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I am challenging you to a 9/10th's run set up by Sal. Either you agree, or you run....
quote:shipteey, not sure if you know but I live in Texas, Shane is about my weight and has a zx14r with a stock motor, why not try him? He doesn't live in Texas, Just wondering if you're zx12 has ever had any motor parts replaced?
wee
So, Ali, you want to run 9/10th's or not? We can set this up with Sal..
It sounds like even though I outweigh you by 100 lbs you want to use spray, and run me on a single lane two-way backroad. Sad.
Well, I guess we know where you stand...
Shane
Shane, part of the problem with your posts is you routinely go back and "edit" them.
All you had stated was this:
So, Ali, you want to run 9/10th's or not? We can set this up with Sal..
then you go adding this
It sounds like even though I outweigh you by 100 lbs you want to use spray, and run me on a single lane two-way backroad. Sad.
Well, I guess we know where you stand...
quit jumping around and editing posts. As usual you want to take things out of context.
If you are talking about running your new 14R against my street 12R just say so and we'll continue with the dialogue.
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