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posted January 21, 2012 02:05 PM
Max speed on ZX-14R ?
at The European press launch at NARDO (it) = 185.31 Mph
video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vvtsoTR9T7Y
but with for example the derestricted ghul CDI ... with no restriction !!! ? how much ? ? ? ?
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posted January 21, 2012 03:36 PM
2001 MPH!!!!!
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posted January 21, 2012 04:04 PM
two thousand one mph got dayum 
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posted January 21, 2012 05:53 PM
198.4 with gulf ecu and stock gearing?
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posted January 22, 2012 05:10 AM
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198.4 with gulf ecu and stock gearing?
I think that with the new gearing that it is around 186, remember gearing numbers changed (both transmission and rear sprocket) this year.
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posted January 22, 2012 05:49 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 22 Jan 2012 13:53
Theoretical limits:
Actual speeds will be lower. Take off about 6 mph for slip on top, bringing it to 195 mph. Then take into account that the rpm limiter might come in a little earlier than 11k. On our two Gen 1's the rpm limiters came in around 10940 and 10960. The actual coded rpm limiter for the 14R is the same as the Gen 1. Based on that, I would figure on 193 to194 mph with the stock tire.
As for my Guhl extended rpm ECU, it pulled 198.4 at 113xx rpm (+400 rpm reflash). That is with a rear tire with 30 psi in it and strapped down hard. That made for significantly shorter overall gearing. Additionally, my new ECU revs to 114xx rpm after the reflash (+500 rpm). The Guhl ecu should allow the bike to achieve 200 mph on stock gearing. But I would go -1 on the rear sprocket, or use a taller tire, just to be sure. Or just test it out and report your findings.
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posted January 22, 2012 11:33 AM
Shane, was that with stock gearing and if so was the bike able to pull redline in 6th?
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posted January 22, 2012 03:45 PM
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Shane, was that with stock gearing and if so was the bike able to pull redline in 6th?
Bob, my tests have only been on the dyno...we have snow on the ground. If the old bike went 199 on stock gearing at Maxton (with Chad Millholland onboard), I see no reason that the new bike would not do better on equal gearing...
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posted January 22, 2012 04:03 PM
OK thanks, hopefully when I get mine when it comes in I can do some testing down here near the 9/10ths and see what the real world street will say. I guess I will have to send the ecu to Guhl. Am I correct that the Speed O Healer/ Speed DRD won't work on the new bike?
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posted January 22, 2012 04:05 PM
Speedohealer won't work...new setup...
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posted January 22, 2012 04:38 PM
OK thanks, hopefully when I get mine when it comes in I can do some testing down here near the 9/10ths and see what the real world street will say. I guess I will have to send the ecu to Guhl. Am I correct that the Speed O Healer/ Speed DRD won't work on the new bike?
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posted January 26, 2012 09:46 AM
project japanese leader say : 315 km/h in Japan but ... At Nardo we can make better !!!
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posted January 26, 2012 11:56 AM
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""" The aerodynamics of the model 2012 has it been improved compared to the previous version?
No, we simply aim to change the bike and improve its cooling without degrading this feature.
How constrained the bike and how fast it would go without clamping?
We have reached 315 km / h in private tests on an oval, but the straight line is not as long here and it is possible that we could do a little better ... however, I decided to end these tests not to risk the life of the pilot, because the tires are suffering greatly under these conditions. The clamping is done by the speedometer. This is the disc notches ABS back that tells the computer the speed limit ... (grin)
The traction control KTRC (Kawasaki Traction Control) is both discreet and effective. How did you manage this feat?
Simply put, our system is "predictive." If you come in when the bike skating, you must drastically reduce the power in substantial quantities to regain grip. It's very unpleasant for the driver. With KTRC, when conditions are met skating, we begin to gradually reduce the power and if the problem starts it is reduced even more, if the engine is released and the pilot does not notice anything ...""""
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posted January 26, 2012 11:59 AM
The above is the ending part of a bigger report.
Here's the full thing:
Test Kawasaki ZZR 1400: The World Is Not Enough ...
The Very High Speed Motorcycle Kawasaki according
"It is three kilometers to 200 and then my signal, it opens wide." Sitting next to me, the tester Kawa brieffe me one last time before departure. In a few moments, we will walk 5 km in one minute. And to think I thought I had already driven fast ...
Appeared in 2006, the 1400 Kawasaki ZZR is heir to a long line. Slightly revised in 2008, is back today in an even more successful and efficient claiming simply the best acceleration of the world (production bike) ... For good measure, we Kawasaki presented on the runway fastest speed in the world: Nardo!
Discovery: What is seen ....
Aesthetically, the new ZZR does not decide basically the old one. The family resemblance is undeniable. The front, however, was redesigned with optical grouped into two blocks on either side of the huge dynamic air intake. A "big mouth" familiar with Kawa, which evokes the voracity of the engine 1450 cm3.
The forms are more taut profile and we see the air extraction increased significantly to improve cooling (there's even a second fan now for the city). Cylindrical chrome mufflers have been replaced by a pair of large pentagonal pots, all clad in black. Accessory, Kawasaki offers, among other things, a beautiful pair of Akrapovic muffler that will surely have success ... Finally reworked the rear did not yield to the mode of minimalism and instead maintains a balanced volume from the front.
And what is not seen ...
Inside too, the changes are many. Starting with the engine that goes from 1352 to 1441 cm3, 89 cm3 further by increasing the stroke of 4 mm. Increased compression ratio, intake ducts reworked and polished exhaust ports enlarged, trees growing in lifting cams, air filter larger and more permeable, and finally the exhaust system are completely revised the torque of 15, 7 to 16.6 mkg, always at 7500 r / min and include the power to 200 horses static. Best of all, the average consumption would be reduced by 8%! Note also the box strengthened and shortened the final drive of a tooth. This promises some nice times!
Saddle
Once installed on the 1400 ZZR 2012 found a known universe, but things have changed, as if someone had brought home and had moved a few trinkets to get your attention. Let's start with the driving position, a nice compromise between sport and GT, but not bad lying still. Indeed, engineers have worked in the integration of the motorcycle driver. The new handlebar is now slightly narrower, as the tank thinned at the knees. The footrests are lowered and the profile of the seat is redrawn. Just remember that the specifics of the big Kawasaki is to have a frame hull. A solution that optimizes the amount of the bike, since this space is usually lost by huge beams serves double box air filter. The bike is thereby more closely, which is not insignificant when one wants to drive 300 km / h ... In fact, from its engine and its fuel tank capacity (22 liters) of 1400 ZZR is friendly driver who keeps his knees relatively tight.
Also new is the dashboard. If he keeps the same shape as the former, he exchanges his white against black. All the "cockpit" is revamped, with among others a magnificent upper fork. New data appears on the display center. It provides function trip computer, indicating the remaining run, the average or instantaneous, time, outside temperature in addition to the usual two trips and mileage. We can also see the gear. The information scrolls from the left stalk, without letting go of the handlebars. As the small ER6, the driver has a driving aid displays an acronym economic "eco" below 6000 r / min, 30% open throttle, and less than 160 km / h.
Finally, still on the display and using the left stalk, it just manages the engine power (150 or 200 hp) and the level of efficiency of the traction control (KTRC). The pilot has three positions and power to disable it at any time. Between these two functions, all combinations are possible, or 8 in total.
Engine!
Strongly altered, the ZZR 1400 delivers a great couple with low revs. By 2000 r / min, it is almost 10 mkg that are available! Inevitably, despite the increased weight (268 pounds announced with full, 9 more than in 2011) and 16.6 kgm at 7500 r / min you tear the arms and immediately propel you at speeds shameful ... but here !
To prove Kawasaki we had organized a session "runs" on a test track straight. Acceleration is impressive, since the passage of 400 m at the counter exceeds 250 km / h and the motorcycle is accelerating furiously! A real beast but which leaves control subject not to release the clutch too hard at first. Thank you also KTRC ... However, its high displacement also allows him to meet with great sweetness to the injunctions of his driver. The range is vast and seamless elasticity. We can keep the same report on a very wide range of speeds, without the times do not really suffering. In short, it is soft and full as an egg at all speeds and on all floors!
At the test track
Although it is not designed for such an exercise, the ZZR 1400 was available to us for a few laps, so we can "judge maneuverability." It was taken from this predicament with great success. It goes without saying that in addition to handling, we took advantage of the opportunity to assess its handling and braking at the same time. With only two sessions to take the position of the vehicle and the track, this decision is not definitive. However, the ZZR is surprisingly strong in the chicane for a machine of this weight. Moreover, in the fast corners, the rigidity of the shell part is absolutely not at fault.
After a few laps, it takes confidence and speed of entry into curve increases without the bike being broken. Floor of any new Bridgestone S 20 ZZR clings to the asphalt properly and passes power to the ground. While the suspensions begin to seem a little soft, but after a pit stop, a simple tightening of depreciation immediately corrects this "default" is not one that does. Well they perform work to which they are not really intended.
Braking
Same satisfaction side brakes that do not mind the task. Powerful and progressive, they retain a good efficiency in the circumstances. The ABS is the most discreet. Of course, raising the rate again increases the custody, but not on the road that we can keep this pace, then again, no worries on that side. Discs petals, radially mounted calipers, the ZZR has the top current is carefree. For its part, the rear disc is just as impeccable.
The electronics in power
This passage on the track has also allowed us to evaluate "scale" the behavior of the traction control ... that at a steady pace on level 2 has been very quiet, as the ABS on the front wheel. So we rent the qualities of these audiences not too intrusive that leave the driver pushing his machine without the bully or the curb. It seems that by insisting on level 3 it reaches a break sometimes brutal engine after several warning shots, but at such a rate of use, the choice of the level one would perhaps have been more appropriate ... Once again we talking about rates that are not possible on the open road ...
This short runway incursion has also highlighted the impressive breath of the engine that raises the front wheel when passing the fourth, causing a short oscillation of the handlebars. it's mind-blowing! In fact you could easily do the entire track on the third or fourth report, both the mechanical and trunk extension (11 500 rev / min maximum).
Welcome to the fourth dimension ...
Final part of this essay, a passage on the ring speed Nardo, see what the story is beautiful in the stomach and if it stays the course.
Although exercise does not require any special skills pilot (the great circle of 12.6 km in circumference is comparable to a straight line), when leaving, you feel a little anxiety, probably comparable to a a pilot that will cross the sound barrier for the first time.
Accompanied by an "opener" we take the track to travel 3 km to about 200 km / h. .. the first opportunity to assess protection at high speed. With its redesigned chassis rigidity, its extended swingarm and wheelbase of 1480 mm, the ZZR 1400 displays an unwavering stability. It runs quietly enjoying the good protection of the fairing with a retracted position. At this rate, might pass forever. Then at a sign from the opener and we put gas in general. Then everything changes. The heart speeds up, the breath becomes short, the field of view shrinks ... The slightest crevice causes a small movement of the handlebars without consequence, but that raises the heart of the novice that I am in this exercise. As a result of stress, the adrenaline rush is violent. I hesitate a split second and throws a glance at the opener still fully in the bubble nose, then I leave gas in large and it does not move. The ZZR hand like a rocket to reach the switch in sixth gear at 11,000 rev / min (11,500 on the other). 12 seconds later, the first mile is swallowed and after a minute or 5 km in depth, it slowed down. Mazette. 300 chrono décoiffe it! We are used to counter often very optimistic, but there is another dimension. I, who had rolled to a Hayabusa 285 meter (probably a small lap 260 and again), or 280 on BMW (1200 K s and S 1000 RR), I have never felt such a sense of speed because here in contrast to the road or track, exercise extends for long. Awesome! ! ! For information, the clamping occurs just before 300 and several mobile phones and other GPS measured 296 / 297 km / h, which corresponds to the meter readings (including graduations of up to 300 are not encrypted beyond 280 ... you say hypocrite?)
Initial results
Well finished, muscular, this Kawa impressed both by the ease by its performance. Electronics, the quality of components (brakes, suspensions), the availability of the engine makes a stunning oversized machine. We will have to confirm that the 100 hp version does not lose too much of its luster, but it seems silly that this law will disappear soon! But speed limits are still in force and it will remain vigilant to the handlebars of the ball. Because when we are all on hand, it's hard to stay calm ...
Highlights
The spectacular performance.
The powerful engine and plenty everywhere.
The chassis is both stable and maneuverable
Electronics discreet but present
The braking
Weaknesses
The field of use too small (hence the title ...)
Lose 50% of the power
The very large escapements
The budget of Use.
Competing Suzuki Hayabusa, Yamaha FJR 1300
The data sheet
Practical information:
Price: € 15 599
Availability: mid February
Three questions for Mr. Oshima, project leader ZZR 1400
The aerodynamics of the model 2012 has it been improved compared to the previous version?
No, we simply aim to change the bike and improve its cooling without degrading this feature.
How constrained the bike and how fast it would go without clamping?
We have reached 315 km / h in private tests on an oval, but the straight line is not as long here and it is possible that we could do a little better ... however, I decided to end these tests not to risk the life of the pilot, because the tires are suffering greatly under these conditions. The clamping is done by the speedometer. This is the disc notches ABS back that tells the computer the speed limit ... (grin)
The traction control KTRC (Kawasaki Traction Control) is both discreet and effective. How did you manage this feat?
Simply put, our system is "predictive." If you come in when the bike skating, you must drastically reduce the power in substantial quantities to regain grip. It's very unpleasant for the driver. With KTRC, when conditions are met skating, we begin to gradually reduce the power and if the problem starts it is reduced even more, if the engine is released and the pilot does not notice anything ...
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posted January 26, 2012 01:04 PM
Sounds right the gentlemen's agreement was to keep factory production bikes under 186MPH
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posted January 26, 2012 01:23 PM
Leaving it close enough for some after market hardware+race flat could put you in the 200MPH club
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posted January 26, 2012 04:21 PM
would someone who has a flashed ecu just open her up already??? lol jk
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posted January 26, 2012 06:34 PM
Bob, I would think that if we have stock motor n/a 12s, Busas and earlier 14s knocking on or going over 200 it really shouldn't be that hard for a new 14R with virtually nothing done to it to hit 200+.
Early 14s have a soft limiter. I rode Rich's 14 and went 199 on his, he backed it up about 1.x mph slower. Roy had said they had a soft limiter. They will pull THRU it on the dyno but in the real world things are a little different.
We all used to run 04-06 R1s at our spot....you don't feel it while ON It but listening to the flybys you can hear the soft limiter kick in about 181 mph, speedo shows 189. Bring it back to the dyno it burries the tach in 6th just like 5th. By soft limiter I mean instead of
"Na na na na na na na na na" when you hit a normal limiter it would sound more like:
"Naaa........................................................................naa......................................................na" and sometimes you trap quickly so unless you were lightweight and tapped otu before the traps you wouldn't know it did it.
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posted January 26, 2012 07:18 PM
Oh yeah Ali. Rub it in. Just kidding. That was a lot of fun that weekend. That bike got 25 laps on it in 2 days, all in the 190s. At least I got my monies worth.
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posted January 27, 2012 12:41 AM
Edited By: BobC on 27 Jan 2012 09:08
I saw the MCN video of the Nardo Ring launch. The on board camera showed 298kph, about 185mph which would be right on the speed limiter - but the tacho was showing 10,900rpm. Either the instruments are as inaccurate as we've come to expect or they geared the bikes down for the launch to impress the journalists? By my calculations they could have been running 16/42 instead of 17/42. It would make the bike feel a lot quicker and because the rear-wheel sensor is used for speed data the limiter would still retard the ignition at 186mph, it would account for the revs shown.
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posted January 27, 2012 04:12 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 27 Jan 2012 14:09
quote:
I saw the MCN video of the Nardo Ring launch. The on board camera showed 298kph, about 185mph which would be right on the speed limiter - but the tacho was showing 10,900rpm. Either the instruments are as inaccurate as we've come to expect or they geared the bikes down for the launch to impress the journalists? By my calculations they could have been running 16/42 instead of 17/42. It would make the bike feel a lot quicker and because the rear-wheel sensor is used for speed data the limiter would still retard the ignition at 186mph, it would account for the revs shown.
The tachometer is optimistic on the 14R, just like the Gen 1. With my extended ECU (114xx rpm) it will spin to right near 12k rpm indicated on the tachometer.
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posted January 27, 2012 05:15 AM
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Oh yeah Ali. Rub it in. Just kidding. That was a lot of fun that weekend. That bike got 25 laps on it in 2 days, all in the 190s. At least I got my monies worth.
DUDE! How many rookies have gone almost 200 stock motor n/a? chill man you did very well. I picked up a few pounds...if you dropped a few it might be a dogfight now dawg!
You ready for rumble in the bronx....I mean Ohio?
My na 12 vs ur n/a 14? Heh heh see you then!
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fullzx12r
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posted January 27, 2012 02:31 PM
spania : solomoto say 317 km/h ???
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posted January 27, 2012 06:19 PM
is that totally unrestriced?
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posted January 28, 2012 02:43 AM
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