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posted January 16, 2012 08:36 AM
no time, well you can blame that on the economy to. everybody likes to see heads up pro tree racing. and when there was a super Bike / Street class. Everybody had to qualify on time. Now that that's gone away in Texas, that leaves two things ET racing, or grudge racing for money, and that seems to be the only heads-up racing left. Unless you want to travel 1000 miles and spent $20,000 on your motor. the sad part is that people that you wouldn't mind knowing your time. Never know, and the people that you don't want to know your time always seem to find out. So we started running only 330s for TNT. the days of the local quarter-mile track may be done! because of insurance and glue cost. the reason that the Texas motor Plex can stay in business is because they have had 2 NHRA races a year that pretty much paid for the track, and for the year. Dallas Raceway had a IHRA race but rumor was they didn't pay them all the money they owed him, and IHRA may not be around much longer either, I think ADRL will take their place, because they have already taken their business, and the backers of that may take that track also.
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posted January 16, 2012 09:58 AM
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did you win any money at MLK
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posted January 16, 2012 11:08 AM
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The problem with grudge racers is that they are all a bunch of Pansy bitches. I have gone out plenty of times and seen "grudge racers" get their ass handed to them by average joe. They only want to run you if they have you in spades and even then they are going to try to negotiate the race to fall further in their favor. The best part is that half I them are just lightweights on some douchebags bike who can't ride but wins in the game of the cubic dollar. It is fun when you know the people in the tower and you get them to show your time when you run against them though... Especially when you beat them by several bike lengths. Real men show their times. Punk bitches "grudge race". If you don't want to show your time, go join the people who don't come to the track because they are "street racers". If you were really that fast you would be racing with guys like jt, and gadson.
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posted January 16, 2012 11:16 AM
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did you win any money at MLK
Yes, but not much. We turn down some races at first that we could have won, because we wasn't sure about the set up on either bike. We found a problem in the electronics on both bikes. That pretty much made all of our old testing useless,and over the holidays there was no place to test. I put a new shinko flat slick on the red bike and it was not good, spinning in every gear, while matt's bike has a have wore out street radio that wasdoing just fine.
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posted January 16, 2012 11:27 AM
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The problem with grudge racers is that they are all a bunch of Pansy bitches. I have gone out plenty of times and seen "grudge racers" get their ass handed to them by average joe. They only want to run you if they have you in spades and even then they are going to try to negotiate the race to fall further in their favor. The best part is that half I them are just lightweights on some douchebags bike who can't ride but wins in the game of the cubic dollar. It is fun when you know the people in the tower and you get them to show your time when you run against them though... Especially when you beat them by several bike lengths. Real men show their times. Punk bitches "grudge race". If you don't want to show your time, go join the people who don't come to the track because they are "street racers". If you were really that fast you would be racing with guys like jt, and gadson.
spoken by someone who doesn't have anything fast and probably never will.....
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posted January 16, 2012 11:55 AM
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The problem with grudge racers is that they are all a bunch of Pansy bitches. I have gone out plenty of times and seen "grudge racers" get their ass handed to them by average joe. They only want to run you if they have you in spades and even then they are going to try to negotiate the race to fall further in their favor. The best part is that half I them are just lightweights on some douchebags bike who can't ride but wins in the game of the cubic dollar. It is fun when you know the people in the tower and you get them to show your time when you run against them though... Especially when you beat them by several bike lengths. Real men show their times. Punk bitches "grudge race". If you don't want to show your time, go join the people who don't come to the track because they are "street racers". If you were really that fast you would be racing with guys like jt, and gadson.
spoken by someone who doesn't have anything fast and probably never will.....
and he doesn't understand when you beat the wrong guy that your done and can't get a race.. then a person got a $35,000 k grudge bike collecting dust ..
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posted January 16, 2012 12:21 PM
we are going to try to run the 5.60 class this year with Matt's bike at grunge fest, if that's the number they decide on.
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posted January 16, 2012 12:43 PM
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we are going to try to run the 5.60 class this year with Matt's bike at grunge fest, if that's the number they decide on.
Ken
5.60 be a really small class .. being they only get 4 to 8 bikes in the 5.80 class and only 2 to 3 bikes can actually run a 5.80 or better.. wee won't enter cause they got buy backs.. if i was alex i'd do it as a 6.0 class.. its just a number
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posted January 16, 2012 01:26 PM
the poll stands right now at 16 for the 5.60 class and 16 for the 6.00 class,maybe they'll do both.
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posted January 16, 2012 02:28 PM
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the poll stands right now at 16 for the 5.60 class and 16 for the 6.00 class,maybe they'll do both.
Ken
the 5.80 class never had 16 entries ever in it .. maybe they think we are gonna race on the internet..
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posted January 16, 2012 02:29 PM
i hear that Edinburg is close too now
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posted January 16, 2012 03:44 PM
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The problem with grudge racers is that they are all a bunch of Pansy bitches. I have gone out plenty of times and seen "grudge racers" get their ass handed to them by average joe. They only want to run you if they have you in spades and even then they are going to try to negotiate the race to fall further in their favor. The best part is that half I them are just lightweights on some douchebags bike who can't ride but wins in the game of the cubic dollar. It is fun when you know the people in the tower and you get them to show your time when you run against them though... Especially when you beat them by several bike lengths. Real men show their times. Punk bitches "grudge race". If you don't want to show your time, go join the people who don't come to the track because they are "street racers". If you were really that fast you would be racing with guys like jt, and gadson.
spoken by someone who doesn't have anything fast and probably never will.....
LOL! Spoken by someone who can't ride his own shit and won't race unless it's lopsided.
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posted January 16, 2012 04:24 PM
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wee
yesterday..not today.. start-up cost put you to far into the red
1/8th mile, look how many 1/4 mile tracks fold.
wee
look how shitty most them 1/8th mile tracks are
but their still open.
wee
Not ours and it ain't a shitty track. Shitty management maybe?
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posted January 16, 2012 04:32 PM
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wee
yesterday..not today.. start-up cost put you to far into the red
1/8th mile, look how many 1/4 mile tracks fold.
wee
look how shitty most them 1/8th mile tracks are
but their still open.
wee
Not our and it ain't a shitty track. Shitty management maybe?
" MOST " ..YOU did see i said MOST TRACKS.. yours was an exception for a 1/8th mile along with HMP.. Both are 1st class.. HMP has nice pits yours was almost nice pits .. but almost all them 1/4 miles tracks have good return roads and nice pits and smooth tracks
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posted January 17, 2012 05:23 AM
I remember when test & tune would be packed just like a race. People out to see how fast everything would go. Very few people show their times now, No reason for anyone to come watch if they are not testing. I'm not saying grudge racers destroyed the track, Very few people who run no time even race for money. Tracks need to find a way to put people back in the stands, No time leaves them without anything to see. Should there be no time events, If i had a track I would run them. However on normal weekly scheduled events every joe blow shouldn't be given the no time option. Economy and the high price of traveling caused low spectator numbers around the country, But I know for a fact not showing times hurt the little local tracks, I've heard it to many times from people that went to the track often but don't race.
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posted January 17, 2012 06:00 AM
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I remember when test & tune would be packed just like a race. People out to see how fast everything would go. Very few people show their times now, No reason for anyone to come watch if they are not testing. I'm not saying grudge racers destroyed the track, Very few people who run no time even race for money. Tracks need to find a way to put people back in the stands, No time leaves them without anything to see. Should there be no time events, If i had a track I would run them. However on normal weekly scheduled events every joe blow shouldn't be given the no time option. Economy and the high price of traveling caused low spectator numbers around the country, But I know for a fact not showing times hurt the little local tracks, I've heard it to many times from people that went to the track often but don't race.
Look at my Angus and Wheelie video against that Booza turbo, he asked for no time against me, he was running 7's. Lol
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posted January 17, 2012 08:03 AM
Edited By: RICH CRAFT 1 on 17 Jan 2012 16:13
I agree that no time has hurt spectator outcome, but it's necessary for grudge racing to continue. I just got back this last week from the MLK in Houston Texas, and there was a lot of bikes there. And a lot of people. I don't think there was one ET shown for the bikes during the whole race. We raced a lot, made a few dollars, and had a great time. but if everybody knew what everybody ET! was, there wouldn't be any racing because the guy coming after you already knows your time, and feels pretty sure he can beat you.
there is a reason why nobody is coming to the track, there is a reason why AMA went out of business, there is a reason why NHRA races are only half full @ $50 for the cheap seats, and ADRL. seems to be doing great at @ $20 a car load, well as one presidential hopeful said "it's the economy stupid" in 2008 I had one of the best years in my business I've ever had. 2009 and 2010 were complete disasters and 2011 has just been okay, so what happened, some people would like to blame it all on the president, and I do believe they have a big part, but the real reason is just greed! big companies are taken mom and pop small companies buying the patents and firing everybody and sending the work to China, or some other third world country! and what we can't send overseas, we open the border up and import cheap labor from Mexico, I am in the construction business and every time I go to work. When I do get to work, I always see car loads of illegals on the way to work, while America is setting home drawing food stamps. But this is what was told that would happen to a country that leaves God! God would leave them!
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posted January 17, 2012 08:24 AM
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I remember when test & tune would be packed just like a race. People out to see how fast everything would go. Very few people show their times now, No reason for anyone to come watch if they are not testing. I'm not saying grudge racers destroyed the track, Very few people who run no time even race for money. Tracks need to find a way to put people back in the stands, No time leaves them without anything to see. Should there be no time events, If i had a track I would run them. However on normal weekly scheduled events every joe blow shouldn't be given the no time option. Economy and the high price of traveling caused low spectator numbers around the country, But I know for a fact not showing times hurt the little local tracks, I've heard it to many times from people that went to the track often but don't race.
I total agree, N/T is crap, I raced for 35 years , now I just spectate. Went out to watch Wee run Sunday, out of about 25 bikes , ...3.... showed their times. Out of around 75 cars about 1/2 were N/T, Hell I just walked away, nothing to see Here!!!! .. I been going to the races since 1957 and I have racing in my blood, BUT I won't watch a N/T run , I don't care if John Force is running .
Time and Speed is what it is all about , LIGHT UP the SCOREBOARDS , did he win on a holeshot , was it close, thousandth's or hundredth's, did he run him down , did he run a personal best, did he improve, did he run below the record. did he run Big speed, It is All about THE NUMBERS !!!
What is the 1st question about a New Bike or Car, ???? NUMBERS
HP
Tq
Weight
Lenghten
ET
MPH
TOP Speed
Cost to purchase $
Cost of Mods $
Fuel milage
I was reading on another Forum, about some Tracks Charging $5 to $10 extra for N/T, that should cut down on this a little
1 thing I did notice was that I didn't see 1 Teenager, no young 1's, but alot of OLD farts, like me , that grew up working on and racing and breaking parts, you had to know how to work on cars or bikes or you didn't get to go anywere. How many of you know what Points and Condenser are , , Do ???
Cars , Trucks and Bikes have become so relieable that we take it for granted !!! Just fill it up and go, never open the hood just , gas, oil and tires ,
The Base , the crowd is getting OLDER and youngsters and teens are in a dark room on their Playstations , cell phones, I-pads, spending their money on the newest electronic's, NOT on their bike or car or Racing ?? Disposable income is down, racing isn't a high priority..
NASCAR AND NHRA crowds way down, TV ratings are way down
Tracks better start think out of the BOX or their crowds wiil literally DIE OFF ??? Anybody remember DRIVE IN THEATERs ??
Sad thing is the more tracks that close, means MORE street Racing , more Headline' s ,DRAG racers KILLED, innocents --- KILLED, HURT
Here's Hopening for better days ahead. ranting over
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